MBB: Duke at Michigan State (Saturday 12/6, 12pm ET, FOX) Pregame & In-Game Thread

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In a battle of unbeaten teams, the 4th-ranked Duke Blue Devils (9-0) will travel north to East Lansing to face the 7th-ranked Michigan State Spartans (8-0) in their home arena, the 15,000-seat Breslin Center. ("Let’s just say I’m really not a big fan of Jimmy Breslin." "Well, he’s the reason I became a writer, but that’s not important.") The game tips off Saturday at 12pm ET to watch on FOX, and I think you can also stream it 2 different ways using your TV provider credentials (FOX Sports streaming link, FOX.com live feed, listen, live stats).


Michigan State already has a 3-point home win over Arkansas, plus double digit wins over Kentucky (in the Champions Classic in New York) and UNC (in the Fort Myers Tip-Off on Thanksgiving). Fun fact: according to Sports Media Watch, about 5.49 million people watched the Heels lose that game.

As Duke was hosting Florida for the ACC/SEC Challenge Tuesday night, the Big Ten began conference play. Michigan State hosted and defeated Iowa 71-52 (recap, box score, highlights, presser). It was the first loss for the Hawkeyes. MSU's Coen Carr led with 15 points; Jeremy Fears added 14 points and 6 assists, while Jaxon Kohler had 12 points and 11 rebounds.



Head coach Tom Izzo: "We feel fortunate to win the game, but we won it the way that we had to win it. We bounced back, got a little tougher. We outrebounded them by almost 20. I thought we defended really well. Ball screen defense, they're really good at it, and I thought we did a great job."

I'll have some updated info and stats about the Spartans later Wednesday. For now, discuss Duke-Michigan State here.
 
I am also not expecting us to win this one. We did perform well in front of a hostile crowd in Knoxville, but this will be a much bigger challenge for our young team.

To have a chance, I think we need to shoot much better from 3. If we'd shot just 35% from 3 against UF, we would have coasted to a 7-point win.
 
We've had some really good Duke teams lose to those guys. They play a physical game. Not dirty, just physical. Our guys will have to put on their big boy pants. I'm not worried about Cam, Pat and Maliq, but our guards (Caleb and Isaiah) will be tested, as will our bench guys. This is another game that will help our guys in the end. Well, as long as we don't have any injuries.

GoDuke!
 
You know how certain teams always have “that guy” who feels like they’ve been around forever? Wisconsin had a Frank Kaminsky type at center for what felt like a decade, Iowa always has a three point specialist that may or may not be the coach’s son, etc? Well MSU still has two big bruisers downlow in Kohler and Cooper like they always do. Both are fundamentally sound but don’t jump off the screen with athleticism or skill… although Kohler has at least added a decent three point shot to his game.

Another archetype MSU always seems to have is the ultra athletic guy that Tom Izzo doesn’t quite know how to properly use. He may have figured it out this year with Coen Carr, who is now at least taking 3s and scoring in some ways outside of just out-leaping people. Dame may be a better matchup for him defensively than Nik.

The big thing that has led to MSU leveling up is the development of point guard Jeremy Fears, who is averaging nearly a double double with assists. He’s shooting nearly 50% from 3 after being a 39% shooter last year. The offense flows through him— Caleb’s defense on him could decide the game.
 
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I'll have some updated info and stats about the Spartans later Wednesday.

I neglected to mention above that Michigan State has a Go Green, Wear White promotion for Saturday's game, requesting that their fans wear white shirts. (They did the same for Arkansas, and will do it a third time against Michigan.) Will the Blue Devils suddenly become disoriented, thinking they're outside and surrounded by snow? Probably not. Will the home viewers have to adjust their TV settings for a picture that's easier on the eyes? Maybe. Duke fans are pretty handy with their remotes, though, after years of dealing with the weird yellow tinge of games at Wake Forest.

Tom Izzo is in his 31st year as head coach of Michigan State. You know, 30 is a nice round number, and he had just finished a 2024-25 season with a Big Ten regular season title (by a massive 3-game margin) and an Elite Eight appearance, losing to Auburn. That team starred the one-and-done son (Jase Richardson) of a national champion he'd coached 25 years earlier (Jason Richardson). And yet, he chose to return, and it looks like he is hardly winding down his career, based on his resurgent and ridiculous 2026 recruiting class. The question is no longer "When will he retire?" but "How much is he going to accomplish before he finally decides to hang it up?"


This year's Spartans roster may or may not have an automatic first round NBA pick like last season did or next season likely will, but it's deceptively solid. It would have benefited from having a healthy Kaleb Glenn, the Florida Atlantic transfer forward who suffered a non-contact knee injury in June and is probably out for the season.

PROBABLE STARTERS

6-10 senior forward Jaxon Kohler #0 (14.3 pts, 9.9 reb, 1.5 ast, 1.1 blk)
6-2 redshirt sophomore guard Jeremy Fears Jr #1 (12.3 pts, 3.4 reb, 9.4 ast, 1.6 stl)
6-6 junior forward Coen Carr #55 (11.3 pts, 5.1 reb, 2.0 ast, 1.0 blk)
6-11 senior center Carson Cooper #15 (9.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 1.4 ast)
6-4 senior guard Trey Fort #9 (5.8 pts, 1.6 reb, 0.9 ast)

KEY RESERVES

6-9 freshman forward Cam Ward #3 (9.0 pts, 5.1 reb, 0.4 ast)
6-5 sophomore guard Kur Teng #2 (6.1 pts, 1.8 reb, 1.1 ast)
6-3 sophomore guard Divine Ugochukwu #99 (4.0 pts, 0.8 reb, 1.0 ast)
6-11 redshirt freshman forward Jesse McCulloch #35 (3.5 pts, 1.6 reb, 0.3 ast)
6-8 freshman forward Jordan Scott #6 (3.0 pts, 3.0 reb, 0.6 ast)

BENCH PLAYERS

5-11 senior guard Nick Sanders #20 (0.6 pts, 0.2 reb, 0.2 ast)
6-3 grad guard Denham Wojcik #10 (0.5 pts, 0.3 reb, 1.0 ast)
6-8 redshirt freshman forward Brennan Walton #40 (0.5 pts, 0.5 reb, 0.0 ast)
6-8 redshirt freshman forward Colin Walton #43 (0.0 pts, 0.3 reb, 0.0 ast)

INJURED/OTHER

6-7 junior forward Kaleb Glenn #8 (knee surgery in June; could miss 2025-26 season; link)


Coach Izzo has addressed Glenn's absence by promoting dunk specialist Coen Carr to the starting lineup, splitting another starting spot between shooting guards Trey Fort and Kur Teng, and working freshmen forwards Cam Ward and Jordan Scott into the 10-man rotation. (According to Izzo's postgame presser, Ward sat out Tuesday's Iowa game after spraining his wrist against UNC last week. MSU Content speculates that he'll return to action for the Duke game.)


This is a team with some experience, even against Duke. The two teams played in November 2023 -- Duke won by 9, and it was the first time Duke's Caleb Foster went off in Chicago's United Center, with 18 points off the bench. A trio of current Spartans -- Carr, Carson Cooper, and Jeremy Fears Jr -- combined to play 40 minutes as reserves. Miami transfer Divine Ugochukwu hosted Duke last season, and while the Hurricanes lost by 37, he was a bright spot for them, getting 6 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and 3 steals in 34 minutes as a starter.


Here's a pair of comparison tables, now with NET rankings added. Unless otherwise specified, stats are from Sports Reference.

This is a game between a pair of top 10 defensive teams, based on both scoring stats and KenPom. Going a bit beyond the tables below, MSU and Duke are both able to limit opponents' field goal makes (10th and 15th best, respectively) and 2-point makes (10th and 12th best). Sparty is better at preventing opponents from rebounding (4th best, versus Duke's 69th best). Meanwhile, the Devils have held opponents' outside shooting to only 25.9 percent (15th best), compared to teams that hit 28.2 percent of their threes against Michigan State (42nd best).

Bart Torvik may be considering home court advantage by predicting Michigan State to win, 70-68.

TABLE 1
CategoryMichigan State (8-0)Duke (9-0)
Points Scored78.6 (167th nationally)89.1 (34th)
Points Allowed60.4 (7th)59.6 (5th)
Scoring Margin (NCAA.org Stats)+18.2 (34th)+29.5 (2nd)
Bench Points (NCAA.org Stats)25.0 (185th)27.0 (142nd)
Total Rebounds41.6 (43rd)42.0 (36th)
--- Offensive Rebounds14.4 (31st)12.1 (141st)
--- Defensive Rebounds27.3 (91st)29.9 (20th)
Assists19.38 (18th)19.44 (17th)
Assist/Turnover Ratio (NCAA.org Stats)1.67 (37th)1.86 (11th)
Steals6.8 (232nd)7.4 (162nd)
Blocks4.6 (57th)5.0 (37th)
Turnovers11.6 (121st fewest)10.4 (60th fewest)
Personal Fouls16.6 (97th fewest)17.0 (118th fewest)
Field Goal Percentage47.4% (105th)51.2% (23rd)
2-Point FG Percentage54.4% (153rd)64.7% (6th)
3-Point FG Percentage33.3% (197th)36.0% (101st)
Free Throw Percentage72.9% (142nd)71.6% (177th)

TABLE 2
CategoryMichigan State (8-0)Duke (9-0)
NET Ranking (NCAA.org Stats)#9 (NET Summary)#2 (NET Summary)
--- Strength of Schedule66th126th
--- Quad 13-03-0
--- Quad 21-01-0
--- Quad 31-00-0
--- Quad 43-05-0
KenPom (Ken Pomeroy)#10#3
--- Offensive Efficiency32nd6th
--- Defensive Efficiency3rd5th
--- Tempo303rd242nd
Fastbreak Points (NCAA.org Stats)15.3 (66th)16.2 (45th)
T-Rank (Bart Torvik)#6 (T-Page)#2 (T-Page)
--- Experience1.889 (196th)0.897 (363rd)
--- Talent66.531 (14th)89.738 (1st)
--- Effective Height81.650 (35th)81.481 (46th)
--- Average Height78.460 (32nd)79.435 (5th)

NET quadrants explained: The quality of wins and losses will be organized based on game location and the opponent's NET ranking.

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353

Ken Pomeroy defines efficiency as an extrapolated measure of points scored (offensive) or allowed (defensive) per 100 possessions against an average opponent. The more points you score and the fewer points you allow, the better. Tempo refers to the number of possessions per 40 minutes against an average tempo: the higher the rank, the faster the tempo. Faster isn't necessarily better; Houston is among the 10 slowest teams, and is currently KenPom #8.

Bart Torvik offers some clarification in the comments here.

Experience "is based on class year (3 for senior, 0 for freshman) with caveat that it actually counts how many years a guy has played 10 games in, so if a guy is listed as a soph even though he's played two full years already, he'll count as a junior."

Talent "is based on composite recruiting ranks weighted for minutes played."

Effective Height "is an attempt to calculate minute-weighted height of the 4s and 5s. So it's basically the average height of the tallest 40% of minutes."

Average Height "includes all minutes, not just the bigs."
 
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I don't dig the Noon start time. I know it used to be a college hoops staple but I don't think our guys are used to playing that early. But, I guess that Sunday first weekend Noon slot is usually reserved for a 1 seed so maybe it's good practice?
 
I don't dig the Noon start time. I know it used to be a college hoops staple but I don't think our guys are used to playing that early. But, I guess that Sunday first weekend Noon slot is usually reserved for a 1 seed so maybe it's good practice?
Knowing MSU students and East Lansing from personal experience, a noon start is better for us and for them. If the students were waiting out in line in the cold all day until an afternoon/evening start, with nothing else to do besides drink beverages that may or may not be legal for such young adults, they would be much rowdier and also much more likely to end up in the hospital later that evening ;)

(Funny related aside: It took a surprisingly long time before a Michigan-MSU football game was allowed to be played at night. The (rumored) reason? Both schools' ADs knew that students tailgating with their friends from the other school all day would inevitably lead to more overintoxication than anyone was comfortable with. It supposedly took pressure from the TV powers-that-be before the night matchup became its current staple.)
 
MSU's rebounding stats are very similar to Florida's, so I hope Duke does a better job on the boards.

Like Florida, MSU is not a great three point shooting team, although they did burn Kentucky. Probably harder to shoot over Duke's size.

Cam Ward is an important reserve for MSU. I assume he'll play, but he may not be 100%. He's MSU's most athletic big by far. He's going to be a very good player for MSU, but it may take a year. The other two bigs are quite good, but not tremendously athletic.

Coen Carr will remind you of former MSU star Brendan Dawson: 6'6", strong, very athletic, but not very skilled. He has improved his shooting and ballhandling a lot, however.

Fears is playing really well. He'll be a tough matchup for Caleb. Fun fact: Jeremy Fears has a brother named Jeremiah Fears, who plays in the NBA.

MSU's shooting guards have struggled this season. Fort, who is on his four school, hasn't shot well. Teng has been a little better, but not great. Jordan Scott, a 6'8" freshman from Grant Hill's high school, even got one start as shooting guard, I think, but he hasn't shot very well.

I met Jordan Scott a couple of years ago. A former Georgetown basketball player I know introduced us, when we were waiting in line at a DC aquatic facility. The Georgetown player told Jordan I went to Duke, and Jordan and another swimmer groaned loudly. I smiled and said "I'll take that as the sound of respect." The Georgetown player nodded his head and said "It is definitely the sound of respect." Other than that, Jordan seemed like a nice young man. I root for him, but not Saturday.
 
We've had some really good Duke teams lose to those guys.
The Zion team obviously lost to Michigan State in the 2019 Elite Eight, and our 2005 team that lost to MSU in the NCAAT may or may not have been really good, but Duke's only other loss to Michigan State (ever) was our 2021 team that was one of K's worst.

I'm not saying past is prologue or anything like that, but Duke's record against Izzo is 14-3. We've won our only two visits to East Lansing. Coach Scheyer has only faced Izzo once (in 2023-24), and he won. That Michigan State team was #16 in KenPom. This year's edition is KP #10, so perhaps a half-step better. And this is a true road game, so it will be a real test for our young team.

But it's not like Michigan State has had our number in the past.
 
This a huge road test against another huge and experienced team. According to Torvik's current projections, it is one of just 3 games on Duke's schedule that Duke is not favored to win. MSU is playing so well right now that this possibly end up being the toughest game Duke faces all regular season

Note that if you look at just Quad 1 games, Torvik's algorithm has MSU second only to Michigan so far this season. MSU led by as many as 24 against both Kentucky and at Iowa. And for the last 23 minutes of the UNC game, UNC never got any closer than within 3 points of MSU.

To spring the upset, Duke will need to keep defending well, In addition, Duke will need to limit turnovers. limit fouls, and/or hit its threes. Three of those four should do the trick, but all three are easier said than done against MSU. MSU has the 6th best free throw rate in the country, so limiting fouls while still contesting MSU's shots will be especially important.
 
This a huge road test against another huge and experienced team. According to Torvik's current projections, it is one of just 3 games on Duke's schedule that Duke is not favored to win. MSU is playing so well right now that this possibly end up being the toughest game Duke faces all regular season

Note that if you look at just Quad 1 games, Torvik's algorithm has MSU second only to Michigan so far this season. MSU led by as many as 24 against both Kentucky and at Iowa. And for the last 23 minutes of the UNC game, UNC never got any closer than within 3 points of MSU.

To spring the upset, Duke will need to keep defending well, In addition, Duke will need to limit turnovers. limit fouls, and/or hit its threes. Three of those four should do the trick, but all three are easier said than done against MSU. MSU has the 6th best free throw rate in the country, so limiting fouls while still contesting MSU's shots will be especially important.
Small point: MSU-Iowa was in East Lansing
 
I've been looking forward to this game for months. Why? My daughter goes to MSU. She's a senior. I've been telling her for 3 years that I will come visit her one day, and we will go to a basketball game. I wanted to see the Izzone, watch the fans, the hoopla and take in a game. As things happened, it was put off until this year. I was stunned and elated when this year Duke was on their schedule. So I am very excited. Tickets on resale were ridiculous. My guess is that it's East Lansing, mid-Michigan... and there's nothing else better to do. MSU loves its hoops, and it's Duke. But buy the tix I did (they were more than my flight, hotel and rental car, plus any meals and stuff I will buy my daughter while I am there). My daughter is not a big sports fan (I tried, really. At least she doesn't wear that ugly shade of blue). But I told her she should represent her school and wear the Green and White. Me, I'll be a blue dot the stands. I imagine there will be a few others. If you are going, say hi in a DM.

I plan to sit down and thank anyone who will listen for beating that school near Carrboro. I guess I'll have to call that team out by name (which I don't do anymore), since they will have no idea where Carrboro is.

The weather will be cold outside, lows in the teens, highs maybe 30 degrees. There's snow on the ground now. In the past, snow has been a good omen for Duke. Hope it happens again.

That all being said...

3 thoughts:

1. By far Duke biggest test of the year. MSU is big, strong and experienced. Izzo is a great coach. It's at the Breslin Center. If Duke wins here, they will become odds-on favorites for the Final Four. I'd rather keep (kind of) under the radar (for Duke), but it won't happen anymore with a win.

2. Fears is an outstanding PG. I've watched several of MSU's games (I'm a bigger fan of theirs now than my daughter). If he can be contained, Duke's stands a much better chance of winning. Foster making life miserable again for Sparty would be nice, but this time more defensively on Fears... though hitting a few 3s (and his FTs!!!!) would be great!

3. Can CamB keep this up? Really, he's amazing. For all the talk of Flagg last year and the hype he received, Boozer is, at this point, well... IMO better! (Flagg has a higher ceiling than Boozer overall but Boozer is so polished now considering it's December 3rd). I kind of laughed at the MOTM voting for Ngongba. Don't get me wrong, I think it was Ngongba's best game in a Duke uni (especially if we ignore that ill-advised 3 at the end). But it's like we are already just taking for granted 30ppg, a double double, the passing, the touch, the awareness? For all the kudos that Evans got for making The Shot (different from THE SHOT, but a great one nonetheless), who dished him the ball perfectly when double teamed? Anyway, if Boozer had another great game against MSU and gets the win, he's in the driver seat for the Wooden Award.

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This a huge road test against another huge and experienced team.

Definitely a big test. But this MSU team isn't huge. They aren't particularly small, either, but we're notably bigger at basically every spot on the court. Unlike UF, who was a really big team in their frontcourt. The only guy with a size advantage is their backup C (who is taller than Maliq Brown), but even then he only plays about 9 mpg.

They only have 4 regulars over 6'4", and only 3 over 6'6". And none of their bigs are as big (weight-wise) as Ngongba or Cam.
 
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