MBB: Duke 84, Auburn 78 Postgame Thread

Steven43 said:
Rev’s got strong feelings about this one! 😉

Do tell…..
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This has been scientifically studied multiple times. One study even showed that just taking the time to vividly imagine shooting and making free throws for a period of time each day can significantly improve free throw shooting performance. Practicing free throws each day with a positive attitude works even better.

So the point is that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that free throw shooting percentages are nowhere near a constant, and can be improved if an effort is made.
 
DoubleBlue said:
I literally screamed at my video monitor, "it doesn't need to be intentional!" It was just reckless and excessive.
I think Bilas painted himself into a corner and his lawyer mind tried to justify his initial (wrong) position.
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Bilas seemed stuck on his perception that the Auburn player was making a play on the ball. In live action it certainly looked like he might have been but that doesn’t really matter. Once Bilas put his strong opinion out there, I assumed he just didn’t want to walk it back. Sometimes he can be self deprecating but not in that moment.
 
rsvman said:
This has been scientifically studied multiple times. One study even showed that just taking the time to vividly imagine shooting and making free throws for a period of time each day can significantly improve free throw shooting performance. Practicing free throws each day with a positive attitude works even better.

So the point is that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that free throw shooting percentages are nowhere near a constant, and can be improved if an effort is made.
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Our team average is 71% for the season. And the two culprits are Cooper at 69% and Caleb at 53%. The other guys are getting it done.

If Cooper can improve just to 75%, we will be an above average FT shooting team.
 
SkyBrickey said:
I think he has good form. But I see two challenges. He really elevates on his 3-ball which requires greater coordination between the lower body and upper body, shot. And he doesn't get a lot of backspin on his shot which leads to a "heavier" ball and can result in a lack of touch/feel on the shot. I see him becoming a very good outside shooter, but unclear whether that will happen at Duke.
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He also has a weird hitch on his threes that doesn’t show up on his midrange.
 
MChambers said:
Brian Geisinger’s analysis of how Duke got Evan’s free and also dealt with Auburn’s flex offense. Worth your time: https://briangeisinger.substack.com...ect=true&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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This is great analysis for any junkies who want to replay some highlights with some smart analysis.

One interesting tidbit. Apparently Broome was pointedly complaining to the refs about how Brown was guarding him. I've thought to myself that there is no way Brown is slapping away all those balls from behind without making contact with his arm and shoulder. But it's like he has roadrunner arms and hands. The poke/slap happens so fast that the human eye can't see it. What a weapon Brown is.
 
cbarry said:
Play of the game… although when I rewatched it, we got a break. The shot clock reset to 30 for about 1 second, then switched back to the expiring shot clock, which had stopped when it switched to 30. In other words, we should have had a shot clock violation. But I’ll take it. We have had so many bad breaks and bad calls go against us, we deserved this one.
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I’m not seeing that. The clock in the on-screen graphic appears to hit zero a bit early, but in the stadium the buzzer and lights pretty clearly start when the ball is in the air. Prior to that, the backboard clock seems to count down normally, when visible. Note that the onscreen graphic doesn’t display 10ths of seconds, so it’s going to appear to rest at zero while the final 10ths of seconds tick away.
 
Thank y’all for the explanation about the cylinder touch.
orrnot said:
I’m not seeing that. The clock in the on-screen graphic appears to hit zero a bit early, but in the stadium the buzzer and lights pretty clearly start when the ball is in the air. Prior to that, the backboard clock seems to count down normally, when visible. Note that the onscreen graphic doesn’t display 10ths of seconds, so it’s going to appear to rest at zero while the final 10ths of seconds tick away.
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I rewatched it today, but didn’t have a great angle on the clock. I tried to time it manually. I think you’re right. Tyrese got it off in time.
 
jv001 said:
Players 3-point percentage:

Cooper= .233

Thought I would post this as it's a big part of our offense this season. Cooper's stats are intriguing because his form is great. I can see those numbers if he had Billy "Sky" King's form.

GoDuke!
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NBA covets shooting. I think Flagg needs to improve his 3P% and FT% to stay at the top of the draft.
 
FosterCoachK82 said:
Yes, this has been a big upgrade over our usual bench. We are also incredibly deep. Harris and Ngongba haven’t played a lot but I don’t cringe at the thought of them entering a game, so in my mind we are 11 deep even if we play 8-9. Normally there will be 1-2 good bench players outside the starting 5, and then 😮 if we have to go deeper. This year we are loaded. It also means we won’t be trash in the event of an injury.
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Except for cooper since the team is built around him
 
orrnot said:
I’m not seeing that. The clock in the on-screen graphic appears to hit zero a bit early, but in the stadium the buzzer and lights pretty clearly start when the ball is in the air. Prior to that, the backboard clock seems to count down normally, when visible. Note that the onscreen graphic doesn’t display 10ths of seconds, so it’s going to appear to rest at zero while the final 10ths of seconds tick away.
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I don't think the refs reviewed the play. From my angle in the stadium, there was no doubt he beat the buzzer in a clutch shot.
 
I wasn't able to watch the game live so I ended up watching it last night. Any thoughts I have are probably a dead horse by now but I wanted to post here anyways.

With the exception of the first 5 minutes or so, I saw a brilliantly played and coached game by the Dukies. I really cannot understand how there would be anything remotely negative about the team coming out of this game (edit: ok maybe the slow starts is one). Auburn is a fantastic, rugged, and chippy team and we didn't get pushed around. I think guard play has been a bit of an issue for us but all our perimeter guys (except Kon who I think was simply picking his spots) stepped up big time. Coach Scheyer was excellent at managing the game in the 2nd half. We had a pretty good working margin over the course of the last 5 minutes and didn't relinquish it.

Now on to Louisville! (ACC trap game... like GTech was for us last December)
 
bluedevilwildcats said:
NBA covets shooting. I think Flagg needs to improve his 3P% and FT% to stay at the top of the draft.
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I was thinking the same while watching the game. But I have a hunch we'll see these improve as the season progresses. He's got a good shooting form. It may just be a matter of continuing to adapt to the college game.
 
Kfanarmy said:
Really curious if anyone was at the game and can comment on the quietness of Cameron from about the under 16 time out to the under 8. Game kind of hung in the balance there, and the crowd went quiet it seemed on TV. I'm assuming that was because Duke went cold for a few minutes. but the team could have used a lift from the fans during that time.
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The crowd was definitely not as loud… I think some of it was that Duke had gone cold…
But some of it, I think, was that the very large contingency of Auburn fans were very vocal at the beginning. They were roaring fight songs and cheering loudly… I think the Duke crowd was riled up in response. The students were deafening at the beginning. When it became apparent that this wasn’t going to be a blow out, the Auburn fans settled down. Duke fans did as well—- maybe too settled down.
 
Kjeffrey said:
Bilas seemed stuck on his perception that the Auburn player was making a play on the ball. In live action it certainly looked like he might have been but that doesn’t really matter. Once Bilas put his strong opinion out there, I assumed he just didn’t want to walk it back. Sometimes he can be self deprecating but not in that moment.
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I knew immediately that it was a flagrant one from hearing Bilas say many, many times that contact above the neck had to be reviewed as a flagrant one, intentional or not.

Oddly, during the broadcast, Jay introduced a new concept: the "wild swing". He kept saying (paraphrasing) "I don't know why the officials would review this as a flagrant one, there was no wild swing". It was really strange.
 
MChambers said:
I sometimes wonder if Jay's legal training makes him sound so certain when he is wrong. (I say that as a recovering lawyer.)
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Thank you for adding the parenthetical, you are qualified to critique a fellow lawyer, carry on.

I'm not a lawyer but I did get into law school, so if that makes me even a smidge qualified to have an opinion, I'd agree with your suggestion and add that he appears to be a bit of a know it all.
 
Kjeffrey said:
Bilas seemed stuck on his perception that the Auburn player was making a play on the ball. In live action it certainly looked like he might have been but that doesn’t really matter. Once Bilas put his strong opinion out there, I assumed he just didn’t want to walk it back. Sometimes he can be self deprecating but not in that moment.
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After thinking about why I find Jay (and, to be fair, many others) increasingly annoying over the years, I think the bolded part above gets to the heart of it. The problem, for me anyway, is the unwavering certainty. He's always 100% certain of his own opinion and will not give the slightest thought that there could be another perspective. He does that repeatedly, even after quickly giving his opinion when it's clear he hasn't seen a replay or even fully comprehended all that occurred.

Thinking about it more, the certainty of opinion seems to be a much bigger problem these days (and perhaps on this site) in many areas of life, than the fact that there is disagreement of opinions.

Just my opinion, of course. I could be completely wrong, and, no doubt, often am.
 
rifraf said:
I think Bilas was completely overlooking the contact to the head part, and was surprised Shulman didn't point that out. "Play on the ball" feels more relevant to fouls below the neck on breakaways etc.
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Schulman did point it out, and Bilas doubled down on “play on the ball.”
 
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