MBB: Duke 103, ASU 47 Post Game Thread

Its very easy to say this guy or that guy should play more minutes this year. We've got 10 deserving guys. But when you put a guy on the court, you've got to take a guy off the court...
If we are talking about competitive games, I would say that Duke has 8 deserving guys. There is a distinct and sizeable gap between Duke's top 8 and Harris/Evans. There may not be a gap by the second half of the season, but there is one now. There is a gap between Duke's starters and the Old Men and the 3.

Play the starters 28 minutes per and you have 20 minutes per for the Old Men and the 3. Play the starters 30 minutes per and you have about 17 minutes per for the Old Men and the 3.
 
True but Mitchell also had some chirping from his father during the season that indicated something else was going on
yeah, Mark just couldn't shoot for a good portion of the season, and that really hurt the team b/c we couldn't play the way Jon thought/hoped the team would. By the time Mark's 3pt shooting recovered, Duke had to adjust to how other teams had already bregun to defend Duke differently.
I hope Mark does well at Mizzou. I don't think he would be a particularly good fit on this team the way it is constructed.
 
If we are talking about competitive games, I would say that Duke has 8 deserving guys. There is a distinct and sizeable gap between Duke's top 8 and Harris/Evans. There may not be a gap by the second half of the season, but there is one now. There is a gap between Duke's starters and the Old Men and the 3.

Play the starters 28 minutes per and you have 20 minutes per for the Old Men and the 3. Play the starters 30 minutes per and you have about 17 minutes per for the Old Men and the 3.
You've been reading my projections Azz? 🤓

Just a quibble... If history is any guide, our experienced starting guards will play more minutes than our freshman starting center. Khaman could break the mold - he's an immensely talented guy and seems to be in great shape - but I still think it's likely he's a 25-30 min guy during competitive games while our other starters are more like 30-35 min.

Personally, I see a small gap, not a huge gap, between James/Gillis and Harris/Evans. James/Gillis are better defenders and that makes them deserving of top8 rotation minutes. But I don't think there's much drop off at all to our 9-10 guys.
 
I wish Mark well.

As AGDukesky notes, there was some drama or unhappiness behind the scenes. He (or his family/advisors) may have also seen that he would be seriously pushed for minutes by these new players.

In any event, I’m happy with the squad we have and I hope Mark has a fantastic career going forward.
 
You've been reading my projections Azz? 🤓

Just a quibble... If history is any guide, our experienced starting guards will play more minutes than our freshman starting center. Khaman could break the mold - he's an immensely talented guy and seems to be in great shape - but I still think it's likely he's a 25-30 min guy during competitive games while our other starters are more like 30-35 min.

Personally, I see a small gap, not a huge gap, between James/Gillis and Harris/Evans. James/Gillis are better defenders and that makes them deserving of top8 rotation minutes. But I don't think there's much drop off at all to our 9-10 guys.
I read everything you write SkyB. How do you think I got such buff superior and inferior oblique muscles? :D

Duke has two unique players on its roster: Cooper and Khaman. Those two should get as many minutes as they can handle in competitive games.

While I loved the defensive effort I saw from Evans and Harris, it has yet to be effective. That right there makes the gap sizeable. All four seem to be good shooters, but I would give the old guys the nod when it comes to driving and sharing the ball.
 
I read everything you write SkyB. How do you think I got such buff superior and inferior oblique muscles? :D

Duke has two unique players on its roster: Cooper and Khaman. Those two should get as many minutes as they can handle in competitive games.

While I loved the defensive effort I saw from Evans and Harris, it has yet to be effective. That right there makes the gap sizeable. All four seem to be good shooters, but I would give the old guys the nod when it comes to driving and sharing the ball.
Not the obliques!

Once it became clear over the summer that Kon would start, I started speculating whether Evans could supplant Gillis as the 8th man in the rotation if Evans continued to improve during the season.

Now it looks like Harris could be a half step ahead of Evans on Jon's depth chart.

I think you and I both agree that Jon has cemented his top 8 - he knows and likes what he's getting from the 3 super subs. If there's an injury, either Harris or Evans will be ready to step in, but barring that, it feels like Jon has his Iron 8.

Kon may be every bit as valuable to this team as Cooper and Khaman. Jon is already running lots of sets for him and his teammates are clearly looking for him. If we have a gravitational center to our offense this season, it's looking to me like it's Kon. I don't think we've seen his ceiling yet.
 

Some observers are realizing how difficult it will be to defend against Duke this season.
That was cool, and I was really enjoying it until he cut to the shot of him talking to the camera with 2/20/19 playing in the backround. Eff Luke Maye and the exploding Nike game!!!!!!
 
Not the obliques!

Once it became clear over the summer that Kon would start, I started speculating whether Evans could supplant Gillis as the 8th man in the rotation if Evans continued to improve during the season.

Now it looks like Harris could be a half step ahead of Evans on Jon's depth chart.

I think you and I both agree that Jon has cemented his top 8 - he knows and likes what he's getting from the 3 super subs. If there's an injury, either Harris or Evans will be ready to step in, but barring that, it feels like Jon has his Iron 8.

Kon may be every bit as valuable to this team as Cooper and Khaman. Jon is already running lots of sets for him and his teammates are clearly looking for him. If we have a gravitational center to our offense this season, it's looking to me like it's Kon. I don't think we've seen his ceiling yet.
The obliques I mentioned are a bit farther north on the body. :rolleyes:

I don't think Harris and Evans are ready for prime time yet, but I am a bit more optimistic about the second half of the season.

I want nothing to do with a gravitational center to Duke offense. Attack from everywhere. There are too many talented players to get stuck in the Flip trap again.

I know you are the chief Konhead so I am not surprised that you may think Kon is every bit as valuable as Cooper and Khaman. I think there is a gap which has more to do with how I value Cooper and Khaman. No one on Duke's roster can do what Cooper and Khaman can do.
 
The obliques I mentioned are a bit farther north on the body. :rolleyes:

I don't think Harris and Evans are ready for prime time yet, but I am a bit more optimistic about the second half of the season.

I want nothing to do with a gravitational center to Duke offense. Attack from everywhere. There are too many talented players to get stuck in the Flip trap again.

I know you are the chief Konhead so I am not surprised that you may think Kon is every bit as valuable as Cooper and Khaman. I think there is a gap which has more to do with how I value Cooper and Khaman. No one on Duke's roster can do what Cooper and Khaman can do.
Did you miss the second half Azz? The kid scored 15 points in 3:31. There's nobody else on the team who will do that all season - not even close.

Maybe you think he hit a lucky hot streak? I don't.
 
Not the obliques!

Once it became clear over the summer that Kon would start, I started speculating whether Evans could supplant Gillis as the 8th man in the rotation if Evans continued to improve during the season.

Now it looks like Harris could be a half step ahead of Evans on Jon's depth chart.

I think you and I both agree that Jon has cemented his top 8 - he knows and likes what he's getting from the 3 super subs. If there's an injury, either Harris or Evans will be ready to step in, but barring that, it feels like Jon has his Iron 8.

Kon may be every bit as valuable to this team as Cooper and Khaman. Jon is already running lots of sets for him and his teammates are clearly looking for him. If we have a gravitational center to our offense this season, it's looking to me like it's Kon. I don't think we've seen his ceiling yet.
It was clear for you but not for me. I'll admit I'm pleasantly surprised to see Kon show as the type of player he is. I wasn't buying it until I saw it, and now I'm buying it. Even before the first exhibition I wasn't convinced he was going to be a rotation player even despite the practice buzz. Now I am. He is much, much more defensively aware than I thought he would be. Still, I'm much more comfortable with Jon leaning on Cooper, Caleb, and Tyrese moreso than Kon. But we'll see how that plays out. Will Kon be able to handle heavy minutes in the rigors of ACC play?
 
Did you miss the second half Azz? The kid scored 15 points in 3:31. There's nobody else on the team who will do that all season - not even close.

Maybe you think he hit a lucky hot streak? I don't.
I don't think he hit a lucky hot streak.

But I would not boldly assert that no one else on this team will come close to that all season long.
 
I don't think he hit a lucky hot streak.

But I would not boldly assert that no one else on this team will come close to that all season long.
Oh, I absolutely think he hit a lucky hot streak. 3-point shooting is an inherently streaky business. Therefore, I also think he will hit quite a few lucky hot streaks this season.

Therefore again, I think 15 points in 3:31 is a feat that someone might well accomplish in a game that counts. I'm not saying someone necessarily will, but there's certainly a chance. There are a lot of good shooters on this team, any one of which might go on a lucky hot streak.
 
I don't think he hit a lucky hot streak.

But I would not boldly assert that no one else on this team will come close to that all season long.
Ok, not even close might be a bit bold. But I'll be shocked if anyone other than Kon scores 10+ in 3:30 this season.

Here's how Kon got his 15. 3, 3, 4, 3, 2 in I think 7 trips down the floor.
 
Oh, I absolutely think he hit a lucky hot streak. 3-point shooting is an inherently streaky business. Therefore, I also think he will hit quite a few lucky hot streaks this season.

Therefore again, I think 15 points in 3:31 is a feat that someone might well accomplish in a game that counts. I'm not saying someone necessarily will, but there's certainly a chance. There are a lot of good shooters on this team, any one of which might go on a lucky hot streak.
Phredd, I'll give you 10-1 odds no one other than Kon scores 15 points in 3:31 this season. I think folks are underestimating how highly unusual that is.

It requires the team to play really fast and for one player to make a lot of 3s on consecutive possessions. This is JJ Redick territory, but I would bet he never scored 15 in 3:31 at Duke.

It also requires your opponent to cooperate a bit and take quick shots on their end...
 
I just watched the game again. As I thought the first time, we looked really really good, scary good. Kon was hot, but I wouldn’t call him lucky. The team seemed super connected on both O and D, especially for our second “game.” And it still blows my mind that our 9th and 10th guys off the bench were making crazy moves under the basket and draining threes against a Pac/Big 12 team. I don’t want to you-know-what anything, but I am feeling a little ‘75-‘76 Hoosiers vibe…
GO DUKE!! 9f!
 
Yes the pod guys said it was a 73 possession game which would have been the 7th fastest pace last season. Makes sense we should play fast this year.
Coach S on the Brotherhood pod said that college should move to a 24 second shot clock and they practice that way. He said that he needs to prepare his players for the next level. I think this is a big reason they're playing fast this year plus the fact they have the personnel to do so.
 
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