With the caveat that it's really early, I'd say it's starting 5 (gap) the old men and the 3 (big gap) Evans and Harris.
MBB: Duke 103, ASU 47 Post Game Thread
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undeniably true. But that conflicts with Jon's stated desire for more continuity.....if guys nine and ten don't get to play,they'll get tons of offers to leave....so I'm a bit hopeful Jon finds a way to keep them happy.
SkyBrickey
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Let's just blow out 90% of the teams we play and they should get plenty of minutes.
I'm squarely in the camp that if Jon sees Evans and Harris in the top 7 as sophomores - and I think he definitely will - then he's got levers to pull to bring them back.
I don't think any of Roach, Mitchell, Power or Stewart left because they were disgruntled. I think they left because the right mix of role and NIL was not offered for this season.
sagegrouse
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Kedsy used to try to narrow the number of games counted for "rotation/significant minutes" purposes, focusing on "highly competitive" and "conference" games. I was/am in the school of "all minutes at Duke are meaningful," given the intensity of effort.
I expect 9-10 players to average 10 or so minutes per game. Our recruiting and roster composition clearly point in this direction. And, yep, that means it's a whole new world, Aladdin.
Now, of course, my "hedge factor" is that, although I hope not, there will likely be injuries that mean that more players are called into action.
Yes, PackMan, I read that like you meant it - "Sun Devils".
SkyBrickey
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During competitive games you expect 9-10 guys to play 10+ minutes?
That would be a shocker.
Are you predicting that because you think that's our best shot at winning games? Or because you think Jon will sacrifice a bit of winning to keep Evans and Harris happy?
OldPhiKap
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We could always do UNC’s “Blue Line” and just sub in a whole second team.
Sorta kidding.
There will be games when Jon wants to go small. Games where we need (even more) size. We have multiple players that can defend 1-3 or 1-4. We have an incredible arsenal from which to select. I expect that if you earn playing time in practice, you’ll see some burn on the floor.
Given how often everyone talks about how competitive Jon is, I would be completely flabbergasted if this happened.
Will we play faster and attempt more 3s? It's hard to judge based on two blowout exhibition wins, but we are trending in the right direction.
First 2 years under Scheyer
Field goals attempted per game - 57.75
3s attempted per game - 20.65
% of FGs from 3 - 35.7%
First 2 exhibition games this year
Field goals attempted per game - 71
3s attempted per game - 35.5
% of FGs from 3 - 50%
For reference sake, the best teams with high % of shots from 3 last season were BYU at 50.4, Creighton at 48.5 and Alabama at 46.5.
First 2 years under Scheyer
Field goals attempted per game - 57.75
3s attempted per game - 20.65
% of FGs from 3 - 35.7%
First 2 exhibition games this year
Field goals attempted per game - 71
3s attempted per game - 35.5
% of FGs from 3 - 50%
For reference sake, the best teams with high % of shots from 3 last season were BYU at 50.4, Creighton at 48.5 and Alabama at 46.5.
SkyBrickey
Member
This is the way. The Celts and Mavs were first and second in the NBA in 3-pt attempt rate last season. The Celts led the NBA at 47.1%.
Jon has constructed this team like a modern NBA team where 8 out of our top 10 guys are good to elite 3-pt shooters. I expect us to keep launching them.
rsvman
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I'm not so sure about this. K had a philosophy/idea that the longer the time your top players spent playing together, the more they starred to play as a unit, rather than as a collection of players, and the more they began to intuitively know where their teammates were going to be at any given time in the game.
Furthermore, he believed that the more time the top five played together, the more good play would be able to continue during difficult times, close games, etc., because the guys learned to play together and to trust each other.
I do not think Scheyer is going to sacrifice any equity this season for the sake of maybe pleasing players 8-12 enough that they come back next year, particularly not in the Cooper Flagg year. He is going to play the players that give him the best chance to win any given game, with a secondary consideration to seasonal development. I don’t think K was any different.
DukieInBrasil
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i think it largely depends on the style of play that gives the team the best chance of winning. If the style we saw vs. ASU is most effective, then it seems likely that 10 guys will play. If the team needs to slow down and play more conservatively, fewer guys will play. Which doesn't differ much from what you said...
Thank you for the information and game link! I had seen something online prior to the game that they were airing the interview at halftime so that's why I said that. I appreciate your help!There was a brief interview, but I don't think it took place at halftime. I checked, and ESPN's full replay doesn't show it then. What I saw took place in the first half; you can find it at about the 11:30 mark of this YouTube full replay.
Duke MBB finally has an Every Bucket video for the ASU game. I'm sure it took a while to put together.
And some reactions...
Kon Knueppel’s heater, observations from Duke basketball’s exhibition vs Arizona State
Here are six observations from Duke basketball's exhibition game against Arizona State on Sunday night at Cameron Indoor Stadium.www.fayobserver.com
Jon Rothstein: Duke drills Arizona State 103-47 in Durham. Blue Devils were elite defensively. And Kon Knueppel? Looks like he'll be this team's second-leading scorer behind Cooper Flagg.
Adam Zagoria: Bobby Hurley said he’s most impressed with Cooper Flagg’s will to to win: "He looks like the real deal to me"
Jamie Shaw: Khaman Maluach and Jayden Quaintance has been an interesting matchup in this one.Maluach’s size has caused consistent issues at the rim, but the twitchy athleticism of Quaintance has led to his own production.
Trilly Donovan: Exhibition overreaction: Kon Knueppel might end up being better than Reed Sheppard was last year.
SkyBrickey
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I don't think we played 10 guys extended minutes last night because of style of play. We did it because it was an absolute blowout. All of our starters played about 20 min each.
I think during super competitive games, we are going to see Kon, Cooper, Caleb, Tyrese on the floor for a lot of minutes. Here's my refresh on what I expect to see:
Cooper - 35
Kon, Caleb, Tyrese - 30
Khaman - 25
Sion - 20
Maliq, Mason - 15
Elmo's Diner Resident
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Kon is just a killer by nature.
Sometimes it's not obvious to see what recruits are going to be that guy until you do see it.
I remember a football coach I had who had been the best player in the NFL on our staff slightly disagreeing with the head coach about some Spring practice analysis. "Well, this is Spring practice. We'll see when the pads come on" That guy was just a killer by mentality. Wasn't the biggest or fastest guy ever but made himself NFL All-Pro anyway
Sometimes it's not obvious to see what recruits are going to be that guy until you do see it.
I remember a football coach I had who had been the best player in the NFL on our staff slightly disagreeing with the head coach about some Spring practice analysis. "Well, this is Spring practice. We'll see when the pads come on" That guy was just a killer by mentality. Wasn't the biggest or fastest guy ever but made himself NFL All-Pro anyway
FosterCoachK82
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You mean the Kon Knueppel year?
CasualObserver
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What a difference a year makes. As someone above said, last year’s team seemed to play half-court offense with less pace. What I saw last night was intensity and almost urgency throughout. Defensively, it just seems these guys are more gifted in that aspect as well. I am excited at the prospect.
I think you are low on Khaman. Once DLII got his fouling under control, he was routinely playing north of 25 minutes. It's early, but Khaman seems to be good at limiting his fouls. That being said, prepare yourself for him fouling out before the first media timeout when Duke plays at UNC.