Huge Auburn fan presence in Cameron on Wednesday

OZZIE4DUKE

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The Auburn fans numbered over 100 and were VERY loud (at least until the end!). We asked (to our selves) how they got their tickets, knowing the bought them on the various resale ticket outlets. It did not go unnoticed by the Iron Dukes. Jack Winters sent this email to us this morning (Friday).
What a huge win Wednesday night for the Blue Devils in Cameron! Our young team rose to the occasion, displaying incredible grit and tenacity, and came out victorious!
I’m reaching out to you as a season ticket holder because, in addition to overcoming the Auburn Tigers on the court, our team also had to silence an overly large group of Tiger fans in the stands. The atmosphere we experienced last night is neither typical nor acceptable for Cameron Indoor Stadium. We need the full support of all season ticket holders to ensure this doesn’t occur again.
I want to remind everyone that reselling Duke Athletics tickets for profit violates Duke's policy. If you are unable to attend a game and don’t have a fellow Duke fan to use your tickets, we encourage you to return them through your Duke Athletics ticket account. By doing so, you’ll earn Iron Dukes credit for the face value of each ticket returned, and most importantly, Duke will ensure the tickets are offered to another Blue Devil fan. Please note that the instant receipt you receive after returning your tickets will not reflect the full Iron Dukes credit, which is equal to the face value of each ticket that is returned.
To be sure, this team deserves to play in front of the best Cameron Crazies possible. We know that is the case beneath the rail, and we need your help to ensure that is the case above the rail!
Thank you in advance for your assistance in making sure Cameron Indoor Stadium is always ALL Duke Blue!
Let’s Go Duke!
Jack
Jack Winters
Senior Associate Director of Athletics, Iron Dukes Annual Fund
Duke University
 
The Auburn fans numbered over 100 and were VERY loud (at least until the end!). We asked (to our selves) how they got their tickets, knowing the bought them on the various resale ticket outlets. It did not go unnoticed by the Iron Dukes. Jack Winters sent this email to us this morning (Friday).
Thank you for sharing the letter. I also was at the game and could not believe how many Auburn fans were there. I thought there were maybe 200 of them, loud and raucous at the start. At times they were louder than the Duke fans. (shame on us).
 
Not all season ticket holders are Duke fans, believe it or not.

In addition, some of those Duke fans only buy tickets for one Saturday/year. The late start did not help either. They were not as obnoxious as AZ fans, however.
Doesn't matter who the ticket holder roots for when it comes to reselling the tickets.

Here is the email I sent to Jack Winters (email jwinters@duke.edu ) I encourage all of you who are season ticket holder to do something similar.

What you say is exactly right, but if you don't do anything to the fans (seat holders) who resold their tickets it won't stop. You need to do what is stated as policy when we purchase our season tickets. You need to go to the video and pick out the hundreds of seats that had orange shirts in them. Contact those seat holders and suspend their seats for the rest of the season and prohibit them from buying seats again. Last year''s Arizona game was similar, only with red shirts. And we KNOW that this year's carolina game will have multitudes of baby blue shirt in seats.
 
I purchased two tickets for the Miami game from SeatGeek. I will be rooting for Duke, of course, but no one asked as part of the purchase (tongue firmly in cheek). I don't see how you can realistically do anything about this and, while it's not ideal for the opponent to have so many fans, we live in a free market when it comes to buying/selling tickets.
 
I estimate well over 1000 Auburn fans were in attendance. I do think there is probably technology to track opponent fans by seat over the course of the season and that would be more meaningful than one game.
 
The Auburn fans numbered over 100 and were VERY loud (at least until the end!). We asked (to our selves) how they got their tickets, knowing the bought them on the various resale ticket outlets. It did not go unnoticed by the Iron Dukes. Jack Winters sent this email to us this morning (Friday).
I loved the directness of this email. While I love the fact that Cameron is a bucket list item for folks around the world and welcome everyone into the arena, as a season ticket holder, I was disappointed in the number of opposing fans in our arena (I know those two statements directly oppose each other). I'll admit I did not know we received credit back for the face value of the ticket by returning them to Duke so I'll use that for future games that I cannot make (I try my best to attend each home game). The optimist in me hopes this will result in more people holding onto their tickets or returning to Duke, but who knows. I'm biased as being a season ticket holder for Duke basketball isn't even something I could've thought to have dreamed of so it's such a blessing and something I don't take for granted every time I step into Cameron.

So a message to my fellow season ticket holders is to show up or return them to Duke and get some of that money back (I get it; it's much less than what can be gotten on the secondary market)! And for these late night tips a good afternoon nap will do wonders.

I would love to know if it would be possible to figure out the number of season ticket holders that are not Duke fans and are only people trying to turn a profit. I believe on an average year (this year would not count as average) that re-selling tickets to the secondary market would result in an overall loss due to required donation amount to the Iron Dukes each year to receive tickets.
 
As a season ticket holder myself, this has been a festering sore that I've complained about for many years, both here and privately to the Iron Dukes. It's not just the prevalence of opposing fans in the upstairs seats at Cameron, which they obviously obtained from season ticket holders through online resellers. We encounter an even more infuriating situation at the ACC Tournament and the Final Four, where we routinely arrive at our assigned seats (as Priority Level 2 Iron Dukes for two decades) only to discover that a substantial portion of the more desirable seats in the Duke section are occupied by UNC fans or others wearing the colors and cheering for Duke's opponents.

When I've complained about the issue, I've been told that there is nothing Duke can do because the problem is that those people get their seats from online resellers who receive them through corporate season ticket purchasers who give tens of thousands each year to enjoy Level 1 priority. So they can give or sell their seats to anyone with impunity. While I appreciate and welcome Jack's message, the simple fact is that the Iron Dukes can't have it both ways -- if they want to accept the big bucks from corporate donors, the Iron Dukes and the rest of us have to accept the consequences, which include the frustration of seeing seats in Cameron and at tournaments occupied by non-Duke fans.

When the people who control those seats have no inherent loyalty to Duke and can sell them for many times their face value or use them for valuable business promotions, there's no real incentive to turn them in to the Iron Dukes for a small credit. And unless the Iron Dukes are willing to lose those large annual contributions, there's no practical means of enforcing the rule. It sucks, but it's probably irremediable.
 
For many years my seats in section 15 were beside the seats of Mr. Gant of Gant Shirts. He was a big UNC fan, and that was the only game he attended. His other tickets were typically given to his employees that were fans of the team we were playing that day - sometimes very obnoxious. We complained to Iron Dukes but nothing was done.
 
As a season ticket holder myself, this has been a festering sore that I've complained about for many years, both here and privately to the Iron Dukes. It's not just the prevalence of opposing fans in the upstairs seats at Cameron, which they obviously obtained from season ticket holders through online resellers. We encounter an even more infuriating situation at the ACC Tournament and the Final Four, where we routinely arrive at our assigned seats (as Priority Level 2 Iron Dukes for two decades) only to discover that a substantial portion of the more desirable seats in the Duke section are occupied by UNC fans or others wearing the colors and cheering for Duke's opponents.

When I've complained about the issue, I've been told that there is nothing Duke can do because the problem is that those people get their seats from online resellers who receive them through corporate season ticket purchasers who give tens of thousands each year to enjoy Level 1 priority. So they can give or sell their seats to anyone with impunity. While I appreciate and welcome Jack's message, the simple fact is that the Iron Dukes can't have it both ways -- if they want to accept the big bucks from corporate donors, the Iron Dukes and the rest of us have to accept the consequences, which include the frustration of seeing seats in Cameron and at tournaments occupied by non-Duke fans.

When the people who control those seats have no inherent loyalty to Duke and can sell them for many times their face value or use them for valuable business promotions, there's no real incentive to turn them in to the Iron Dukes for a small credit. And unless the Iron Dukes are willing to lose those large annual contributions, there's no practical means of enforcing the rule. It sucks, but it's probably irremediable.
Agreed.
 
FWIW, I would estimate that the number of Auburn fans in the upstairs seats was in the range of 600-800 at least. Around our seats in Section 5, about 20% were wearing Auburn gear, which far exceeded any visiting contingent we've previously seen. Fortunately, their vocal enthusiasm diminished rapidly when the Blue Devils flipped the score from being down by 11 to being up by 12.
 
Doesn't matter who the ticket holder roots for when it comes to reselling the tickets.

Here is the email I sent to Jack Winters (email jwinters@duke.edu ) I encourage all of you who are season ticket holder to do something similar.
What is stated in as policy? That if you resell the tickets, you will forfeit the right to purchase them in the future?
 
While I appreciate the earnestness of the Iron Dukes post, the policy of discouraging resales if effective, will only drive up the price of the resale tickets that may still be available. As a non-season ticket holder (I live in Oregon), I'd like to be able to buy tix on the resale market when I can be there.
 
While I appreciate the earnestness of the Iron Dukes post, the policy of discouraging resales if effective, will only drive up the price of the resale tickets that may still be available. As a non-season ticket holder (I live in Oregon), I'd like to be able to buy tix on the resale market when I can be there.
Trying to implement any such enforcement mechanism is way beyond what the department would have the initiative to do, I think.
 
So a message to my fellow season ticket holders is to show up or return them to Duke and get some of that money back (I get it; it's much less than what can be gotten on the secondary market)! And for these late night tips a good afternoon nap will do wonders.
As a regular board member without the resources it takes to buy a season ticket package, I recommend that season ticket holder first try to sell their tickets to other members here, if buyers can be found. Nearly every regular here is a die-hard Duke fan who will more than likely show up in Duke gear and scream their lungs out at a chance to be in Cameron when the men are playing. This board even has a "Ticket Exchange" section, which tends to have way more "Wanted" threads than it does "Offered" threads. And bonus, sell at face value and get all of your money back rather than just a portion of it.

And if you can't get a buyer here, you can use the "return to Duke" option right up until game time.
 
As a regular board member without the resources it takes to buy a season ticket package, I recommend that season ticket holder first try to sell their tickets to other members here, if buyers can be found. Nearly every regular here is a die-hard Duke fan who will more than likely show up in Duke gear and scream their lungs out at a chance to be in Cameron when the men are playing. This board even has a "Ticket Exchange" section, which tends to have way more "Wanted" threads than it does "Offered" threads. And bonus, sell at face value and get all of your money back rather than just a portion of it.

And if you can't get a buyer here, you can use the "return to Duke" option right up until game time.
As someone who has benefitted from purchasing/being given tickets on this board multiple times, I absolutely cosign this post!
 
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