Duke vs. Louisville (Sun 12/8, 6pm ET, ACCN) Pregame and In-Game Thread

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The #9 Blue Devils ended their regular season undefeated against teams that start with the letter A (3-0: Army, Arizona, Auburn). They are also 1-0 against conferences that start with that letter -- Maine plays in the America East -- but there are quite a few more of those games left to play. Based on recent results, it seems that one surefire way to tear through the Atlantic Coast Conference is to sew an SEC patch on the Duke jersey. Barring that unlikely option, they'll just have to take their chances and play the games straight up, beginning with a road game in Louisville's KFC Yum! Center this Sunday evening on the ACC Network (streaming link, listen, live stats).

Their Adidas uniforms are still terrible, but this is a brand new Cardinals team. Gone is the 2-year Kenny Payne experiment (12-52 overall, 5-35 ACC); all 13 scholarship players from last season entered the portal. They've been replaced by former Charleston coach Pat Kelsey, RSCI #33 freshman Khani Rooths, and 12 incoming transfers. You may recall that I kept track of all ACC portal activity during the offseason:

13 OUT
Skyy Clark (to UCLA)
Koron Davis (to Louisiana)
Dennis Evans (to Grand Canyon)
Kaleb Glenn (to Florida Atlantic)
Brandon Huntley-Hatfield (to NC State)
Mike James (to NC State)
Ty-Laur Johnson (to Wake Forest)
Danilo Jovanovich (to Milwaukee)
Hercy Miller (to Southern Utah)
Emmanuel Okorafor (to Seton Hall)
JJ Traynor (to DePaul)
Tre White (to Illinois)
Curtis Williams (to Georgetown)

12 IN
Frank Anselem-Ibe (from Georgia)
Terrence Edwards Jr (from James Madison)
J'Vonne Hadley (from Colorado)
Chucky Hepburn (from Wisconsin)
Koren Johnson (from Washington)
Aly Khalifa (from BYU)
Kasean Pryor (from South Florida)
Kobe Rodgers (from Charleston)
James Scott (from Charleston)
Reyne Smith (from Charleston)
Aboubacar Traoré (from Long Beach State)
Noah Waterman (from BYU)

Like Kentucky and Auburn, the Cardinals are mostly older players using their last year of eligibility. (Rooths, sophomore James Scott, and junior Koren Johnson are the only underclassmen.) But unlike those teams, Coach Kelsey had the opportunity to build team chemistry over the summer with a 5-day trip to the Bahamas, where they played a pair of exhibition games. I briefly previewed the team and covered their experience here.

The Cards are 5-3 this season. You'd think their best win was against then-ranked Indiana, their first opponent in the Battle 4 Atlantis tournament that took place in the Bahamas last week (89-61: recap, box score, highlights). The latest NET Rankings, however, list that as a Quad 2 win. Their only Quad 1 win occurred the next day against West Virginia (79-70 OT: recap, box score, highlights). The day after that, they lost to Oklahoma in the title game. Louisville is actually 0-3 against the SEC, with home losses to Tennessee and Ole Miss as well. (Seriously, just have someone sneak into the Duke locker room today and sew the SEC patches on the jerseys in an inconspicuous place.)

I can't discuss the team roster without first talking about their injuries. WDRB and Card Chronicle have reported that guards Kasean Pryor (torn ACL) and Koren Johnson (shoulder surgery) will miss the rest of the season, while Aboubacar Traoré (broken arm) won't return for at least another month. Meanwhile, Aly Khalifa and Kobe Rodgers have not played at all due to injuries, and Coach Kelsey has yet to decide if either can accelerate their recovery and return this season. These absences have reduced Louisville to a 7-man rotation.

(Edited to include jersey numbers. Hat tip to @kcduke75 for the suggestion.)

PROBABLE STARTERS

6-2 senior guard Chucky Hepburn #24 (15.1 pts, 3.1 reb, 4.5 ast, 3.5 stl)
6-2 senior guard Reyne Smith #6 (12.5 pts, 3.1 reb, 0.5 ast)
6-6 fifth-year wing Terrence Edwards #5 (10.8 pts, 3.4 reb, 2.4 ast)
6-6 fifth-year guard J'Vonne Hadley #1 (9.8 pts, 7.5 reb, 1.5 ast)
6-11 sixth-year forward Noah Waterman #93 (6.8 pts, 4.3 reb, 0.5 ast)

TOP RESERVES

6-11 sophomore forward James Scott #0 (6.8 pts, 4.9 reb, 1.1 ast, 1.1 blk)
6-8 freshman forward Khani Rooths #9 (3.4 pts, 3.1 reb, 0.5 ast)

BENCH PLAYERS

5-11 fifth-year guard Patrick Antonelli #12 (1.0 pts, 0.0 reb, 0.0 ast)
6-10 fifth-year center Frank Anselem-Ibe #13 (0.4 pts, 1.2 reb, 0.0 ast)
6-3 grad guard Aidan McCool #33 (0.3 pts, 0.0 reb, 0.0 ast)
5-11 junior guard Cole Sherman #4 (0.0 pts, 0.3 reb, 0.0 ast)
6-7 junior guard Spencer Legg #55 (0.0 pts, 0.0 reb, 0.0 ast)

INJURY/REDSHIRT

6-10 fifth-year forward Kasean Pryor #7 (12.0 pts, 6.1 reb, 2.1 ast, 1.6 stl, 1.1 blk)
6-2 junior guard Koren Johnson #3 (3.0 pts, 1.5 reb, 2.5 ast, 1.5 stl)
6-5 senior forward Aboubacar Traore #25 (1.5 pts, 5.0 reb, 2.0 ast, 1.5 blk)
6-11 senior center Aly Khalifa #15
6-3 senior guard Kobe Rodgers #11

That 7-man rotation can still make some noise. Chucky Hepburn leads the ACC in steals, and is 2nd nationally in that category. Reyne Smith is the league's most prolific outside shooter, having attempted 72 threes and made 28 of them, for a success rate of 38.9 percent. (As a comparison, Tyrese Proctor leads Duke with 54 three-point attempts.) James Scott does not shoot threes (0-1 this season), but he is making 88.5 percent of his shots inside the arc, tops in the conference.

In case you see his last name and wonder, walk-on Patrick Antonelli (bio) is the youngest son of ESPN announcer and former NC State basketball player Debbie Antonelli. If she's at the game on Sunday, it won't be in a work capacity; according to ESPN Press Room, her assignment this weekend is in Raleigh, announcing the Wolfpack men's game on Saturday against Florida State.

These two tables, from Basketball Reference and other listed sources, help provide a statistical comparison between the Cardinals and Blue Devils. (By the way, Bart Torvik is projecting a 75-67 Duke win.)

TABLE 1

Category Louisville (5-3)Duke (6-2)
Points Scored77.4 (158th nationally)81.1 (76th)
Points Allowed67.1 (88th)61.0 (15th)
Scoring Margin (NCAA.com)10.3 (92nd)20.1 (17th)
Bench Points (NCAA.com)27.0 (94th)23.4 (167th)
Total Rebounds39.3 (78th)40.4 (45th)
--- Offensive Rebounds13.8 (38th)11.9 (121st)
--- Defensive Rebounds25.5 (193rd)28.5 (37th)
Assists14.0 (192nd)16.6 (56th)
Assist/Turnover Ratio (NCAA.com)1.07 (227th)1.56 (37th)
Steals8.5 (71st)9.1 (49th)
Blocks3.6 (147th)4.1 (91st)
Turnovers13.1 (255th fewest)10.6 (68th fewest)
Personal Fouls17.3 (178th fewest)16.6 (137th fewest)
Field Goal Percentage43.4% (250th)46.7% (110th)
2-Point FG Percentage60.5% (12th)56.3% (87th)
3-Point FG Percentage27.3% (349th)36.6% (84th)
Free Throw Percentage70.1% (217th)71.3% (181st)

TABLE 2

CategoryLouisvilleDuke
NET Ranking (NCAA.com)#61#4
--- Quad 11-32-2
--- Quad 21-00-0
--- Quad 30-03-0
--- Quad 43-01-0
KenPom (Ken Pomeroy)#53#3
--- Offensive Efficiency78th10th
--- Defensive Efficiency32nd1st
--- Tempo113th244th
Fastbreak Points (NCAA.com)6.8 (313th)13.1 (94th)
T-Rank (Bart Torvik)#56 (T-Page)#1 (T-Page)
--- Experience2.612 (13th)1.02 (358th)
--- Talent19.848 (137th)81.894 (3rd)

NET quadrants explained:

The quality of wins and losses will be organized based on game location and the opponent's NET ranking.

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353


Ken Pomeroy defines efficiency as an extrapolated measure of points scored (offensive) or allowed (defensive) per 100 possessions against an average opponent. The more points you score and the fewer points you allow, the better. Tempo refers to the number of possessions per 40 minutes against an average tempo: the higher the rank, the faster the tempo. Faster isn't necessarily better; Houston is among the 20 slowest teams, and is KenPom #5.

Bart Torvik offers some clarification on Experience and Talent in the comments here. Experience "is based on class year (3 for senior, 0 for freshman) with caveat that it actually counts how many years a guy has played 10 games in, so if a guy is listed as a soph even though he's played two full years already, he'll count as a junior." Talent "is based on composite recruiting ranks weighted for minutes played."
 
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I feel bad for Louisville with their depth so depleted by injury. They have suffered through just about as bad of a decline as a once-great program has experienced. The variety of scandals has almost been impressive, too. Now that they have hope again, this season is off to an uneven start. At least they have light at the end of the tunnel.

Duke should be in good shape if they can limit their own turnovers and rebound those missed 3s. This is a game where Duke should be able to suffocate the Cardinals and get easy baskets on deflected passes. I am a little concerned about an emotional letdown after the Auburn victory. On the other hand, Duke has already won its first true road game of the year. This could be the difference between Duke sweating out seeding and placement on Selection Sunday or just another in a long winning streak. I hope it is the latter.
 
Chucky Hepburn is a pest... we saw that in Atlantis and I saw it in the B1G the last couple years while he was at Wisconsin. He's the type of guy who can get hot offensively and defensively and drive the momentum in a game.

That said, the lack of perimeter size of the current Louisville guards, especially after these injuries, is something we can/should exploit. I'm not sure how either of their starters guards Sion, for instance. I've always been a fan of guard post-ups in these type of matchups... that isn't something we've traditionally done, but it'd be interesting to see if that gets sprinkled in.
 
Chucky Hepburn is a pest... we saw that in Atlantis and I saw it in the B1G the last couple years while he was at Wisconsin. He's the type of guy who can get hot offensively and defensively and drive the momentum in a game.

That said, the lack of perimeter size of the current Louisville guards, especially after these injuries, is something we can/should exploit. I'm not sure how either of their starters guards Sion, for instance. I've always been a fan of guard post-ups in these type of matchups... that isn't something we've traditionally done, but it'd be interesting to see if that gets sprinkled in.
I enjoy guard post-ups as well. Even if Sion doesn't post them up, he should (along with Caleb and Kon) be able to bully ball his way into the paint. He did that at least once against Pettiford and Auburn.
 
I enjoy guard post-ups as well. Even if Sion doesn't post them up, he should (along with Caleb and Kon) be able to bully ball his way into the paint. He did that at least once against Pettiford and Auburn.
Chucky Hepburn is a pest... we saw that in Atlantis and I saw it in the B1G the last couple years while he was at Wisconsin. He's the type of guy who can get hot offensively and defensively and drive the momentum in a game.

That said, the lack of perimeter size of the current Louisville guards, especially after these injuries, is something we can/should exploit. I'm not sure how either of their starters guards Sion, for instance. I've always been a fan of guard post-ups in these type of matchups... that isn't something we've traditionally done, but it'd be interesting to see if that gets sprinkled in.
Agree with scottdude about Hepburn. I watched him when he was at Wisconsin, and he can change a game.

That being said, also agree about Duke's size advantage. If our guards post as azzefkram says, then they would then be challenged to hit FTs... currently kind of an iffy prop for Foster. But Duke generally has the size advantage overall. I could see another stellar game from Flagg, where he could post up as well and then kick out for a 3 (if they double). But what I am really wanting to see is if Evans can keep it going (particularly watching him on the defensive end, as we know he can shoot) and if Gillis can get going. I really think Gillis could be that all around glue guy for this team, if he can turn back into his Purdue self. Of course Flagg is already an all-around glue guy (can someone be THE MAN and the glue guy...?).

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Anyone one know the team’s schedule for a game like this one? Do they get in the day before so they can practice there at 6pm to get on schedule? Do they arrive in the morning and leave after? Just curious what the planning is.
 
Chucky Hepburn is a pest... we saw that in Atlantis and I saw it in the B1G the last couple years while he was at Wisconsin. He's the type of guy who can get hot offensively and defensively and drive the momentum in a game.

That said, the lack of perimeter size of the current Louisville guards, especially after these injuries, is something we can/should exploit. I'm not sure how either of their starters guards Sion, for instance. I've always been a fan of guard post-ups in these type of matchups... that isn't something we've traditionally done, but it'd be interesting to see if that gets sprinkled in.
The scouting report has to start with Hepburn. I watched a little of Louisville when they were in the Bahamas and the first half of the game against Ole Miss. Duke is going to have to slow him down.

They do a lot of off-ball action to get open looks at the rim. Waterman, one of their two bigs, is a stretch-4 that takes most of his shots from beyond the arc. Reyne Smith is a gunner with deep range. Communication and rebounding are key for Duke. Don't give Louisville second looks off of long rebounds and the defense in disarray.
 
This is a game where I want to see something out of Coach Scheyer. Look, we have a better team than Louisville. We are simply more talented, stronger, and deeper. But we can lose this game if we do not come prepared to play from the tip. We are coming off a physically draining and emotional win over Auburn. We are now going to play our first conference road game. This game is going to be about being emotionally prepared. No allowing them to run out to an early10 point lead. That can easily lead to us struggling to come back, and it being a slog the rest of the way. I want to see Coach Shire and the staff have this team emotionally ready to jump on these guys and get the convincing win that we should get against a team of this caliber, even on the road. No excuses.
 
This is a game where I want to see something out of Coach Scheyer. Look, we have a better team than Louisville. We are simply more talented, stronger, and deeper. But we can lose this game if we do not come prepared to play from the tip. We are coming off a physically draining and emotional win over Auburn. We are now going to play our first conference road game. This game is going to be about being emotionally prepared. No allowing them to run out to an early10 point lead. That can easily lead to us struggling to come back, and it being a slog the rest of the way. I want to see Coach Shire and the staff have this team emotionally ready to jump on these guys and get the convincing win that we should get against a team of this caliber, even on the road. No excuses.
I agree. Don't come out feeling overconfident because you just beat a really good Auburn team. I hope the coaches have drilled this into the players heads starting with the first practice after the big win. With the talented players we have this should not happen, but it has. And please block out for rebounds. Man-Man don't look for Cooper to get a rebound. Go get it yourself.

GoDuke!
 
I agree. Don't come out feeling overconfident because you just beat a really good Auburn team. I hope the coaches have drilled this into the players heads starting with the first practice after the big win. With the talented players we have this should not happen, but it has. And please block out for rebounds. Man-Man don't look for Cooper to get a rebound. Go get it yourself.

GoDuke!
Well... on the Auburn post-game DBR podcast, Jason/Donald mentioned that maybe Man-Man is instructed to go hard on protecting the rim... block, hands up, alter shots, etc... since there are 4 other guys behind him that can get a rebound.
 
You know, Isaiah may not be the "instant offense" medicine we need, but I think I'd take another dose against L'ville.
From what I understand, he still puts on his game shorts one leg at a time. The difference is, when he puts on his game shorts, he is Isaiah Evans.
 
Well... on the Auburn post-game DBR podcast, Jason/Donald mentioned that maybe Man-Man is instructed to go hard on protecting the rim... block, hands up, alter shots, etc... since there are 4 other guys behind him that can get a rebound.
Cooper is leading the team with 12 blocks and Man-Man is 2nd with 8. Rebounding is another story. Cooper leads with 70, Maliq 2nd with 42 and Man-Man has 38. He has 4 more than Tyrese who has 34. To Man-Man's credit, he's altered several shots. I'm hoping Man-Man comes close to reaching his college potential by ACCT time.

GoDuke!
 
CategoryLouisvilleDuke
NET Ranking (NCAA.com)#61#4
--- Quad 11-32-2
--- Quad 21-00-0
--- Quad 31-03-0
--- Quad 43-01-0
KenPom (Ken Pomeroy)#53#3
--- Offensive Efficiency78th10th
--- Defensive Efficiency32nd1st
--- Tempo113th244th
Fastbreak Points (NCAA.com)6.8 (313th)13.1 (94th)
T-Rank (Bart Torvik)#56 (T-Page)#1 (T-Page)
--- Experience2.612 (13th)1.02 (358th)
--- Talent19.848 (137th)81.894 (3rd)

Thanks, Brev. fyi Louisville has one too many wins in one of the brackets.
 
Cooper is leading the team with 12 blocks and Man-Man is 2nd with 8. Rebounding is another story. Cooper leads with 70, Maliq 2nd with 42 and Man-Man has 38. He has 4 more than Tyrese who has 34. To Man-Man's credit, he's altered several shots. I'm hoping Man-Man comes close to reaching his college potential by ACCT time.

GoDuke!
Total numbers can be a bit misleading for players who have different court time. Man Man does need to up his blocking and rebounding game. Maliq needs to up his rebounding game.
 
Total numbers can be a bit misleading for players who have different court time. Man Man does need to up his blocking and rebounding game. Maliq needs to up his rebounding game.
Man's rebounding is very comparable to D Lively's freshman year on a per 40 minute basis. Lively averaged 10.5 and Man is averaging 10.4.

Also notable that it took Lively some time to adjust. He got much better on the boards as the season went on. Through the first 8 games, he only averaged 3.5rpg. Man is averaging 4.75rpg.

Bottom line - he should definitely get better as the season progresses.
 
Just to round out the per 40 comparison between Lively (full season) and Man Man (8 games).

Lively: 10.1 pts, 4.7 blks
Man: 16.7 pts, 2.2 blks

I do think Khaman's blocks really undersell his rim protection. He is so dramatically imposing inside that I think players avoid shooting the ball anywhere near him - or launch it so high that it has little chance of going in. I see it happen multiple times in game after game.
 
Man's rebounding is very comparable to D Lively's freshman year on a per 40 minute basis. Lively averaged 10.5 and Man is averaging 10.4.

Also notable that it took Lively some time to adjust. He got much better on the boards as the season went on. Through the first 8 games, he only averaged 3.5rpg. Man is averaging 4.75rpg.

Bottom line - he should definitely get better as the season progresses.
Dereck was 12.3% Oboards, 17.8% Dboards, and 12.8% blocks. Khaman is 11.6%, 16.4%, and 6.3%. I am not worried about Khaman, but I would like him to be better on the defensive boards and especially with blocks. He's had a rough few games with blocks and rebounds. For a little perspective, Khaman has a lower defensive rebounding rate than Sion and, in a hooray for small sample sizes, Spencer.
 
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