Interesting. So what's a player comp of a star player or even just a starter on any of the 79 P5 teams this past season who only shot 20-25% of their shots as 2-pointers? Isaiah only shot 19% 2-pointers. If your point is true, it shouldn't be too hard to find a handful that shot 20-25%.
Grok just told me that Kon, Tre Johnson, Walter Clayton Jr, and Koby Brea were the top 3-point shooters in the draft. Maybe one of those guys?
Yes he played on the team you describe and that only amplifies that he wasn't skilled enough to command more playing time ON THAT TEAM. His race is not over.I haven't read every message here, but has someone mentioned that Evans played on a very good and deep team which reduced his playing time through no fault of his own.
K always put it succinctly: “everyone runs their own race”. He hated comps.I think Jason made a great point, why do we have to always have comps when it comes to incoming players. Look at Cooper, I can't remember a freshman at Duke who could excel at so many things. Even now I can't think of a former Duke freshman that could do all those things. Who knows how soph Evans or junior Foster will do. Oh, my comp on Ingram was more about being skinny (Slim) than playing ability. I don't know how good Isaiah will be this season, or how good Caleb will be, but I hope they both have great seasons. I have been wrong many times and I don't have a problem admitting it.
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My wife and kids point out where I've gone wrong multiple times each day, so I have also learned to have no problem admitting it. Is the horse dead yet, by the way? (Kudos to @mph for the gif above... he beat me to it)I think Jason made a great point, why do we have to always have comps when it comes to incoming players. Look at Cooper, I can't remember a freshman at Duke who could excel at so many things. Even now I can't think of a former Duke freshman that could do all those things. Who knows how soph Evans or junior Foster will do. Oh, my comp on Ingram was more about being skinny (Slim) than playing ability. I don't know how good Isaiah will be this season, or how good Caleb will be, but I hope they both have great seasons. I have been wrong many times and I don't have a problem admitting it.
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Any reason why Nik didn't get the start and hasn't played in the first quarter?Team USA has started their quarterfinal game against Canada in the U19 World Cup in Switzerland. FIBA has the livestream and live stats.
It's midway through the first quarter and Nikolas Khamenia has not entered the game yet. 7-9 Olivier Rioux started for Canada, but somehow did not win the opening tip.
Any reason why Nik didn't get the start and hasn't played in the first quarter?
US down now half way through the 3rd and Nik only logged 3 minutes so far still..I don't think Khamenia (stats) has started any of the U19 games. Let's see who has.
AUS: Brown/Dybantsa/Jacobsen/Peat/Smith
FRA: Brown/Dybantsa/Johnson/Peat/Smith
CMR: Brown/Dybantsa/Johnson/Peat/Smith
JOR: Brown/Dybantsa/Johnson/Peat/Smith
CAN: Brown/Dybantsa/Johnson/Peat/Smith
Well, there you go. Tommy Lloyd switched the starting center from Daniel Jacobsen to Morez Johnson Jr for the second game, and has stuck with that lineup ever since. I guess he's not a big believer in spreading the wealth.
Khamenia's usage changes a little bit.
AUS: played 22 minutes, all 4 quarters
FRA: played 8 minutes, 3rd and 4th quarters only
CMR: played 22 minutes, all 4 quarters
JOR: played 20 minutes, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters only
CAN: entered in 2nd quarter, played about 3 minutes so far
Edited to add: Canada's Jaion Pitt, headed to Pacific this fall, hit a prayer 3 at the buzzer to cut Team USA's lead to 61-54 at the half.
I think the thing that should give people optimism for Caleb is after his minutes bottomed out, he played more in the post-season and played well.Here's a (I believe complete) list of Duke players in the past 40 seasons whose minutes per game dropped by 10+ and how many minutes they got the following season:
Ricky Price: 31.9 --> 21.4 --> 8.0
Taymon Domzalski: 20.5 --> 8.6 --> 9.9
Dave McClure: 21.7 --> 8.9 --> 15.8
Greg Paulus: 27.7 --> 16.1 --> played football at Syracuse
Caleb Foster: 25.4 --> 14.0 --> ???
So low-sample-size history would suggest that Caleb Foster does not have such a good chance to make a comeback into a starting job with big minutes. What does this data actually say about Caleb's chances? Not a whole lot.
Thanks for researching. This was exactly my point. For Evans to have a special season, he will need to shoot a lot more 2s. A good defender will just crowd you at the line and make your shots more difficult if you can't keep them honest by attacking the close out. I believe this is one reason why Isaiah's shooting % fell off late in the year.Just looking in the ACC - no star players took >75% of their attempts from 3, but a few rotation guys did:
Reyne Smith from Louisville, 30 mpg, took 89% attempts from 3, 38% 3pt shooter - 13ppg - probably the closest to what you were asking for
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David Cosby from Wake Forest - just 16 mpg, took 88% attempts from 3, 31% 3pt shooter - 5 ppg - but in 7 the games he started he averaged 26mpg, 11ppg, and shot 34% from 3 - just played in 17 games, I assume injury played a roll
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Ishan Sharma from UVA - 13mpg, took 80% attempts from 3, 33% 3pt shooter - 3.4 ppg
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Jaden Schutt falls just outside the parameter with 74% of attempts from 3...
I don't think you can be a star player and take 80ish% of your shots from 3 because defenses will just run you off the 3pt line - Smith looks like the ceiling for the 1-dimensional scorer
Yes. And it's been discussed that Dawkins played on the deep 2010 championship team his freshman year. They both played 39 min in the first 5 games of the tourney as freshmen - very similar post-season roles. But I expect Isaiah to be the BETTER PLAYER.I haven't read every message here, but has someone mentioned that Evans played on a very good and deep team which reduced his playing time through no fault of his own.
With 9:46 left in the game and the US down 80-79, Nik came in the game and played until there were only :45 left in the game. At that point, the Americans had a 4 point lead. During that tense 9-minute stretch where the US won the game, Nik had 7 points (1-2 FG, 1-1 3FG, 2-2 FT), 2 rebs (1 OReb), and 2 assists.I tuned in when it was a one-point lead, just in time to see Khamenia hit a huge 3-pointer and follow it up with 3 of 4 free throws, scoring 6 straight points for the USA team. I don't understand why Lloyd took him out with 40 seconds left -- he seemed to be playing solid defense. In any event, it was good to see the USA team hold on for a close win.
This is exactly what his coach did in the USA v World game. Nik didn't start but when the game was on the line, he had him in.With 9:46 left in the game and the US down 80-79, Nik came in the game and played until there were only :45 left in the game. At that point, the Americans had a 4 point lead. During that tense 9-minute stretch where the US won the game, Nik had 7 points (1-2 FG, 1-1 3FG, 2-2 FT), 2 rebs (1 OReb), and 2 assists.
I don't care who starts. When it mattered. When it was really close in the final minutes, Nik was in there.
This game was determined by the officiating crew. USA shot a couple dozen more free throws than Canada and I don't believe they were warranted. Nobody cares about these games really, but Team Canada has a lot to be proud of.I tuned in when it was a one-point lead, just in time to see Khamenia hit a huge 3-pointer and follow it up with 3 of 4 free throws, scoring 6 straight points for the USA team. I don't understand why Lloyd took him out with 40 seconds left -- he seemed to be playing solid defense. In any event, it was good to see the USA team hold on for a close win.