Conference Realignment

Neals384 said:
Texas State to stay in Sun Belt
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s-state-talks-mountain-west-stall-sources-say
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I don't fully understand this decision for them. Texas State University is in San Marcos, between the cities of Austin and San Antonio. They are the westernmost school in the Sun Belt, which is a fairly regional conference, as long as you're in the middle:

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But from Texas State's campus, 5 Sun Belt schools are more than 1,200 miles away: Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Marshall, and Old Dominion.

The Mountain West would entail more travel, in the sense that none of its schools are as close as Louisiana, Southern Miss, or ULM, but only 4 of its teams are more than 1,200 miles away: Hawai'i, Nevada, San Jose State, and UNLV.
 
brevity said:
I don't fully understand this decision for them. Texas State University is in San Marcos, between the cities of Austin and San Antonio. They are the westernmost school in the Sun Belt, which is a fairly regional conference, as long as you're in the middle:

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But from Texas State's campus, 5 Sun Belt schools are more than 1,200 miles away: Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Marshall, and Old Dominion.

The Mountain West would entail more travel, in the sense that none of its schools are as close as Louisiana, Southern Miss, or ULM, but only 4 of its teams are more than 1,200 miles away: Hawai'i, Nevada, San Jose State, and UNLV.
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TX ST is supposedly trying to move to the AAC, maybe holding out hope for the P12.
 
Apparently, Gonzaga is going to get a "full share" of TV rights from the new Pac-12 even though it is not bringing a football team to the conference. That is a big deal. The Field of 68 says it will get $10 mil a year, double what Gonzaga was making in the WCC.

Smart move by the Zags.

As for the new Pac-12, it is gonna be a pretty solid basketball conference...
https://twitter.com/x/status/1841146131239129423
 
Do we know if the door for UNLV to join the PAC12 has been legally welded shut? UNLV joining the PAC makes so much sense for both UNLV and the PAC. I wonder if the PAC12 might circle back with a better offer after testing the TV value of its existing eight (i.e., including Gonzaga for hoops). I also wonder if the PAC might find some new way to destabilize the MW in order to shake UNLV free.
 
LeadingEdge said:
Do we know if the door for UNLV to join the PAC12 has been legally welded shut? UNLV joining the PAC makes so much sense for both UNLV and the PAC. I wonder if the PAC12 might circle back with a better offer after testing the TV value of its existing eight (i.e., including Gonzaga for hoops). I also wonder if the PAC might find some new way to destabilize the MW in order to shake UNLV free.
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I do not know if it has. That said, they are getting a boatload of money to stay and I don’t think they are going to turn that down. Good for them and the MWC, I guess, but it is disappointing from a larger perspective because they really do fit well in the PAC.

I like the Gonzaga move for both the school and the PAC. They have established a legitimate program. Joining forces with other programs who are trying to do the same (with SDSU pretty darn close to achieving the same) makes sense in a world where NIL and the portal have remade the competitive landscape.

These schools are going to be targets of bigger, richer programs, and will presumably target smaller, poorer programs.

I wonder where the PAC and MWC will shake out in terms of market size and financial power.
 
LeadingEdge said:
Do we know if the door for UNLV to join the PAC12 has been legally welded shut? UNLV joining the PAC makes so much sense for both UNLV and the PAC. I wonder if the PAC12 might circle back with a better offer after testing the TV value of its existing eight (i.e., including Gonzaga for hoops). I also wonder if the PAC might find some new way to destabilize the MW in order to shake UNLV free.
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I heard on one of the basketball podcasts that UNLV & Nevada would have to go together (a Nevada legislature thing?), but that the PAC was only interested in UNLV. I don't know how accurate that is.
 
Also, I thought I read that the remaining members in the MWC have all signed an agreement to stay in the MWC for this go-around. But I don't have any idea as to how "binding" this agreement is.
 
Not sure if this got posted anywhere on the board. Check out these viewership numbers. Explain to me why this doesn't make us one of the most valuable college sports properties in the country.

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Many, many more bball games on TV than football, so the total viewers less important (average viewers more important to advertisers).

But I see your bigger point.
 
arnie said:
Many, many more bball games on TV than football, so the total viewers less important (average viewers more important to advertisers).

But I see your bigger point.
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As an advertiser you're paying for impressions. Does it matter how many games those impressions are spread over? If $50,000 gets you 1,000,000 impressions, does it matter to you as an advertiser whether the 1,000,000 impressions are spread over two games instead of one? It's the same price and same number of impressions either way.
 
hallcity said:
As an advertiser you're paying for impressions. Does it matter how many games those impressions are spread over? If $50,000 gets you 1,000,000 impressions, does it matter to you as an advertiser whether the 1,000,000 impressions are spread over two games instead of one? It's the same price and same number of impressions either way.
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I think it has to do with unique impressions. If the same 500,000 people watch two games that's not the same as 1,000,000 people watching one game.

-jk
 
brevity said:
They are the westernmost school in the Sun Belt, which is a fairly regional conference, as long as you're in the middle
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I know what you mean, but I did LOL at this sentence, because I started thinking about the schools that are more or less in the middle of very splattered conferences.

I'm imagining a Facebook Terrible Maps of the geographic centers of the conferences and which school is the closest thereto. Is ours Louisville now?
 
budwom said:
It’s definitely worth something but the yooge bucks are in the football tv contracts
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It's worth a lot more than something. A viewer is a viewer. The huge money is in the football contracts because that's where the most viewers are. We are the #1 draw in college basketball viewership which has enormous value to the ACC or any future conference. Both things can be true.
 
SkyBrickey said:
It's worth a lot more than something. A viewer is a viewer. The huge money is in the football contracts because that's where the most viewers are. We are the #1 draw in college basketball viewership which has enormous value to the ACC or any future conference. Both things can be true.
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ya, ya, I know, but look at the football figures. ALL of the current realignment drama is driven by the SEC and B1G TV contracts and the lesser ACC and Big 12 contracts....basketball is DEFINITELY a secondary consideration.
However, I do agree it's worth something and I'm sure Nina knows this and will leverage its worth IF we have to go conference hunting (which I doubt in the near term).
 
SkyBrickey said:
Not sure if this got posted anywhere on the board. Check out these viewership numbers. Explain to me why this doesn't make us one of the most valuable college sports properties in the country.

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I would love to know how people who get paid to analyze value think of Duke. If Scheyer can keep building on what K built; King can keep building on what King and her predecessors built; and Diaz can continue building on what Cutcliffe built, I would think that Duke brings a ton of value to the table — especially when paired with UNC.
 
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