Buh bye! Mack Brown out at UNC, Bill Belichick in

This hire makes unc a great fit for the SEC, if they are truly auditioning for a new affiliation.

I’m in the camp with those of you who are skeptical about this hire. Hiring a has-been NFL coach does not guarantee success at the college level. I think much could depend on the assistants he hires. He will need someone to relate to high school and college kids, because my guess is that he could have problems there. It also seems like the parents might be more impressed with the name BB than the recruits are. Won’t most of them remember BB’s “meh” years more than the glory days?
 
ArkieDukie said:
This hire makes unc a great fit for the SEC, if they are truly auditioning for a new affiliation.

I’m in the camp with those of you who are skeptical about this hire. Hiring a has-been NFL coach does not guarantee success at the college level. I think much could depend on the assistants he hires. He will need someone to relate to high school and college kids, because my guess is that he could have problems there. It also seems like the parents might be more impressed with the name BB than the recruits are. Won’t most of them remember BB’s “meh” years more than the glory days?
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No reason to be skeptical per se, because from what I've heard BB say, it's kind of like Cal at Kentucky (hoops)....it's about being a pipeline to the pros. I don't know if BB will win at UNC and I'm not sure he's really interested in that. His comments - in the long interview before officially announcing.... were all about being a farm system for the NFL. Not a single comment about winning at UNC or anything like that. Just like a lot of Cal's defensive comments in his last year at UK.

In a way this is "late stage" CFB......when colleges just become different versions of The Durham Bulls........Figures UNC would be on the leading edge of this in their desperate attempt to stay relevant. This will continue to dull the GAF factor in college sports.
 
HereBeforeCoachK said:
No reason to be skeptical per se, because from what I've heard BB say, it's kind of like Cal at Kentucky (hoops)....it's about being a pipeline to the pros. I don't know if BB will win at UNC and I'm not sure he's really interested in that. His comments - in the long interview before officially announcing.... were all about being a farm system for the NFL. Not a single comment about winning at UNC or anything like that. Just like a lot of Cal's defensive comments in his last year at UK.

In a way this is "late stage" CFB......when colleges just become different versions of The Durham Bulls........Figures UNC would be on the leading edge of this in their desperate attempt to stay relevant. This will continue to dull the GAF factor in college sports.
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There's a big difference between selling yourself as a pipeline to the pros and serving as one in football vs. basketball.

Even if you get a football recruit out of high school, they're going to have at least two chances to depart for greener pastures via the transfer transfer portal before they're even eligible for the NFL Draft. In basketball, a OAD can show up and have a less than ideal season but be gone before it does any recruiting damage, so you just rinse and repeat.
 
BrummieDevil said:
There's a big difference between selling yourself as a pipeline to the pros and serving as one in football vs. basketball.

Even if you get a football recruit out of high school, they're going to have at least two chances to depart for greener pastures via the transfer transfer portal before they're even eligible for the NFL Draft. In basketball, a OAD can show up and have a less than ideal season but be gone before it does any recruiting damage, so you just rinse and repeat.
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WDR you missed the main point. Technically you are correct but my main point remains. I was referring. to the "flavor" of the program not ever saying the actual mechanics were the same in the two sports.
 
JasonEvans said:
If UNC's football NIL budget was only $4 mil, no wonder they have been getting walloped on the field.
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One of the best quotes I heard on this (Cover 3 podcast) was, "Four? You mean for the defensive line?"

Another nugget was that UNC is saying they will spend $20M in NIL NEXT year, while Texas spent $30M THIS year.

Look, I don't know what Duke is spending in NIL. But I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that it's a coincidence that some of our Best years of football are in the NIL era.
 
Just as Army and Navy design special uniforms with intricate, symbolic detail honoring the history of the institutions, I suggest UNC do the same.
Rather than slap that ugly blue block NC on the helmets, just cover the entire helmet with a montage of content from Julius Peppers transcript. Mike Drop!
 
luvdahops said:
This is spot on. It seems to me there was a clear sense among knowledgeable NFL observers that his skills as a strategist and, perhaps even more so, as an evaluator of talent had declined considerably later in his Pats tenure. He was the GM after all for that succession of poor drafts and whiffs in free agency.
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Oh, you’re 100% right. Belichick has never been great at evaluating talent in the draft. He mostly had so-so drafts. Of course, he was always picking at or near the end of each round; the vast majority of coaches didn’t have to deal with that. But that’s a great problem to have!

That being said, Bill was often quite savvy when it came to acquiring free agent talent. He did very well with that much of the time. And he’s going to hire good people to help him deal with that aspect of things — recruiting and transfers. I would bet he’ll do well with transfers, just like he did with free agent acquisitions.

Unfortunately, this curmudgeon is far from done or depleted, as we are about to find out in a big way. I hate it, but you had to know that UNC would eventually hit on a great coach, much like the University of Texas. Sometimes it just takes awhile. 🤷‍♂️
 
Steven43 said:
Prominent players are not talking negatively about Belichick’s coaching accomplishments in the NFL. I believe that was what you asked me about — why I think Belichick is such a great coach, historically-speaking. Right? All I did was answer your question. 🤷‍♂️

And yes, I did previously mention many people who praised Belichick — his players, his coaches, many of his opposing players, most of his opposing coaches, hundreds of sportswriters, hundreds of football historians, etc. All told that is literally thousands of knowledgeable football people who have attested to Belichick’s greatness over the years.
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Oh I only poked at you because you said you'd provided all these names, and you hadn't (you only listed bad-to-mediocre Cowboys coaches). Anyway, yes, I know lots of big names have expressed support for this move. But it's far from as universal as you present it to be:

"Patriots greats Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski said they couldn't imagine the 72-year-old coaching college kids."

“'Based on my experience playing college football, which is not the current era, and based on my experience playing for coach Belichick — which was almost 20 years ago — he would be probably, by far, the worst college head coach I could ever imagine,' said former NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker on Tuesday during an appearance on WEEI radio."

Mandel: "Congratulations, North Carolina. You managed to hire someone completely unqualified to be your next football coach. You did that thing so many schools do where they try to win the press conference instead of win football games. It rarely works."

Belichick was likely to never coach in the NFL again after *seven* other franchises passed on him since New England fired him, and no one with an interim coach right now (e.g., New Orleans) was expressing interest, either; only Atlanta even interviewed him. His post-Brady NE tenure ended far underwater with a final season of 4-13 and only a single playoff appearance, which was a 30-point loss. He has been in the NFL since 1975. Carolina tried for more than one other name and whiffed, so this looks like a desperation move for them, and all the noise around his son being involved reeks of further disaster. I'd be furious about this if I was a (throws up in mouth a little) Tar Heel.
 
AustinDevil said:
Oh I only poked at you because you said you'd provided all these names, and you hadn't (you only listed bad-to-mediocre Cowboys coaches). Anyway, yes, I know lots of big names have expressed support for this move. But it's far from as universal as you present it to be:

"Patriots greats Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski said they couldn't imagine the 72-year-old coaching college kids."

“'Based on my experience playing college football, which is not the current era, and based on my experience playing for coach Belichick — which was almost 20 years ago — he would be probably, by far, the worst college head coach I could ever imagine,' said former NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker on Tuesday during an appearance on WEEI radio."

Mandel: "Congratulations, North Carolina. You managed to hire someone completely unqualified to be your next football coach. You did that thing so many schools do where they try to win the press conference instead of win football games. It rarely works."

Belichick was likely to never coach in the NFL again after *seven* other franchises passed on him since New England fired him, and no one with an interim coach right now (e.g., New Orleans) was expressing interest, either; only Atlanta even interviewed him. His post-Brady NE tenure ended far underwater with a final season of 4-13 and only a single playoff appearance, which was a 30-point loss. He has been in the NFL since 1975. Carolina tried for more than one other name and whiffed, so this looks like a desperation move for them, and all the noise around his son being involved reeks of further disaster. I'd be furious about this if I was a (throws up in mouth a little) Tar Heel.
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From Get Up this morning, you can add Louis Riddick and Rob Ninkovich to the list of his former players who believe Belichick will be a fish out of water trying to coach college kids.
 
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 said:
Honestly, I'm super excited to see what this will be. It's most likely to be a complete dumpster fire that we can all just enjoy to our heart's content. But the slim chance that it somehow works would be just fascinating to watch too.

Obviously as our rivals I'm rooting for the enjoyment of the catastrophe. But for any casual sports fan with no skin in the game, it's a win-win to see what the carnival has to offer for entertainment.
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I can honestly say that in the hypothetical scenario that Duke was hiring Belichick I would be extremely uncomfortable and not in favor of it at all from a fan's standpoint. And this is even if he were to bring us wins and bowl games. I just detest the guy. This makes me very comfortable with the fact that he's going to be in CH. I too think it's going to be a carnival with a high probability of being a catastrophe for them. Sure there is a chance it will work out for the heels to some degree. But he will bring fallout and that is for them to deal with.
 
I can' wait to watch BB's face in the middle of the 4th quarter, Duke ahead, 21-0, at the moment that Duke blocks Carolina's 7th punt of the game. That's worth $20 million to me (well, it would if I had a few more assets).

Serious q: When's the last time BB tried to predict the development of a 16-yr-old 3 star defensive lineman from Garner, NC? Sure, he can try to throw cash at transfers, but how did that work for FSU this year?
 
AustinDevil said:
Oh I only poked at you because you said you'd provided all these names, and you hadn't (you only listed bad-to-mediocre Cowboys coaches). Anyway, yes, I know lots of big names have expressed support for this move. But it's far from as universal as you present it to be:

"Patriots greats Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski said they couldn't imagine the 72-year-old coaching college kids."

“'Based on my experience playing college football, which is not the current era, and based on my experience playing for coach Belichick — which was almost 20 years ago — he would be probably, by far, the worst college head coach I could ever imagine,' said former NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker on Tuesday during an appearance on WEEI radio."

Mandel: "Congratulations, North Carolina. You managed to hire someone completely unqualified to be your next football coach. You did that thing so many schools do where they try to win the press conference instead of win football games. It rarely works."

Belichick was likely to never coach in the NFL again after *seven* other franchises passed on him since New England fired him, and no one with an interim coach right now (e.g., New Orleans) was expressing interest, either; only Atlanta even interviewed him. His post-Brady NE tenure ended far underwater with a final season of 4-13 and only a single playoff appearance, which was a 30-point loss. He has been in the NFL since 1975. Carolina tried for more than one other name and whiffed, so this looks like a desperation move for them, and all the noise around his son being involved reeks of further disaster. I'd be furious about this if I was a (throws up in mouth a little) Tar Heel.
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Hey, AustinDevil — great name, btw. I’m jealous because that’s my favorite city in the entire country — I hope Belichick is an abysmal failure at UNC. I’ve never liked the guy, and I have a hard time rooting for UNC sports, particularly their men’s basketball team.

That being said, my wife did a three-year medical residency at the University of North Carolina hospital — after having graduated from Duke Med and doing a surgery internship at Duke (which was hell, btw, though she was taught by the absolute best and learned skills that she still accesses daily). And my daughter got a full ride to UNC and received an excellent education. Her classes were TOUGH. UNC changed things significantly after the academic scandals.

Because of these things — and the fact that I’m a member of their faculty club and play tennis at least four times a week on their immaculately-maintained clay courts — I don’t dislike UNC the way I used to. But I still generally root against their sports programs, other than their tennis teams. Their women’s team has won many indoor national championships over the past couple of decades and I know the coaches a little bit and have hit with some of the players, though they hit with me too much power for me to consistently handle.

But the bottom line is still f#@% Bill Belichick and UNC football. I hope Duke crushes them every single time! 🏈
 
If you had told me midway through this just passed football season that Manny Diaz would have a chance to get a W versus Bill Belichek, I would have thought a very different chain of events had transpired.

I look forward to adding an L to his resume next year.
 
johnb said:
I can' wait to watch BB's face in the middle of the 4th quarter, Duke ahead, 21-0, at the moment that Duke blocks Carolina's 7th punt of the game. That's worth $20 million to me (well, it would if I had a few more assets).

Serious q: When's the last time BB tried to predict the development of a 16-yr-old 3 star defensive lineman from Garner, NC? Sure, he can try to throw cash at transfers, but how did that work for FSU this year?
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He’s not going to be there long enough to do any of that, even if he was so inclined. He’s going to try to buy a team in the portal, and he very well may be able to do so. Whether he can identify the right guys and then coach them up is where the rubber meets the road.
 
I expect Belicheck to follow the late Coach K's strategy of bringing in one and dones (in Belicheck's case, through the portal) because players who come for one year will know who their coach will be but not freshmen looking towards 3 or more years in college.

How that works out for linemen who are asked to redshirt their freshman year, as opposed to a rising senior looking to go to the NFL in a year, I don't know.
 
ArkieDukie said:
This hire makes unc a great fit for the SEC, if they are truly auditioning for a new affiliation.

I’m in the camp with those of you who are skeptical about this hire. Hiring a has-been NFL coach does not guarantee success at the college level. I think much could depend on the assistants he hires. He will need someone to relate to high school and college kids, because my guess is that he could have problems there. It also seems like the parents might be more impressed with the name BB than the recruits are. Won’t most of them remember BB’s “meh” years more than the glory days?
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Current recruits were 11 or 12 for Brady's last season in New England. So probably not a strong memory. But as others have said, they're probably going harder in the portal than on the recruiting trail, assuming they Trustees realized how much money on top of BB's salary they and the boosters need to put forward to make this work.
 
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