Best Album of the ‘90s — Winner Takes All

I was pivoting to Americana, as we had settled in the Philly burbs and had tripped over 88.5, wxpn.org. Other singer/songwriters of mine, in addition to those mentioned upstream, include:
Indigo Girls "Nomads Indians Saints"
Mary Chapin Carpenter "Come On Come On"
"Joshua Judges Ruth"
Johnny Cash "Unchained" and whichever else of the American Recordings were released in the 90's
John Gorka "Out of the Valley"
Nanci Griffih "Other Voices, Other Rooms"
John Prine "Missing Years" / "Lost Dogs and Mixed Blessings"
Joe Grushecky and the Houserockers "American Babylon"
I never made up my mind about Beck and Ben Folds, among others....
I was going to add Mary Chapin Carpenter myself. I Am A Town in particular resonated with me and makes me wistful for days gone by. (After Duke and some time in the Army I worked in Mooresville, NC for 5 years and spent a lot of time traveling the backroads of Iredell, Rowan, and Davie counties.)
 
I don’t see it on the list, but I am pretty sure that someone already nominated my personal favorite, Car Wheels on a Gravel Road by Lucinda Williams.
It’s there but looks like it’s formatted wrong. The last name and part of the title have been chopped off.
 
Since this is your bracket and idea, perhaps we need a little more guidance as to what would constitute the best. I was reading it as some combination of successful sales, originality and influence. Which is why to my thinking, Nirvana or Pearl Jam from the grunge/rock genre, Garth Brooks and Dr Dre would be the leaders in my mind. Other people can put those differently (Public Enemy or the Beastie Boys, Shania Twain and Metallica spring to mind) but that's how I would read the central conceit of this project. Which would mean that incredibly great bands who lack commercial success (and there have been a lot of those listed here) probably wouldn't even make the tournament. People on here love John Prine and wilco, but there's no way they have had the success commercially to even make a 32 team tournament I wouldn't think. But Define parameters as you see them. This is, after all, your show.
 
Since this is your bracket and idea, perhaps we need a little more guidance as to what would constitute the best. I was reading it as some combination of successful sales, originality and influence. Which is why to my thinking, Nirvana or Pearl Jam from the grunge/rock genre, Garth Brooks and Dr Dre would be the leaders in my mind. Other people can put those differently (Public Enemy or the Beastie Boys, Shania Twain and Metallica spring to mind) but that's how I would read the central conceit of this project. Which would mean that incredibly great bands who lack commercial success (and there have been a lot of those listed here) probably wouldn't even make the tournament. People on here love John Prine and wilco, but there's no way they have had the success commercially to even make a 32 team tournament I wouldn't think. But Define parameters as you see them. This is, after all, your show.
I agree generally with the above. I took a little bit of flak for comparing Metallica vs. Dr. Dre album sales, but I do think broadness of impact should be part of the conversation.
 
I agree generally with the above. I took a little bit of flak for comparing Metallica vs. Dr. Dre album sales, but I do think broadness of impact should be part of the conversation.
And what's funny is I really love Metallica. I would probably go with Dre for overall impact, but I don't get to just be right. Those are my feelings. And I don't give a damn about feelings. I work in science and medicine. Feelings are for the weak.
 
I've been following along and enjoying this thread. I've been swayed by a few that Metallica's Black Album should rightfully be at or near the top (I'm not particularly a Metallica fan, but that album is hard to not appreciate, not now and not in the 90s). One band I've seen surprisingly omitted is TOOL. Along with many great albums listed already, that won't "win", both Undertow and Aenima should be under consideration.
 
Which would mean that incredibly great bands who lack commercial success (and there have been a lot of those listed here) probably wouldn't even make the tournament. People on here love John Prine and wilco, but there's no way they have had the success commercially to even make a 32 team tournament I wouldn't think. But Define parameters as you see them. This is, after all, your show.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on commercially success. Just eye balling the list, I doubt we've hit half of the top 50 or top 100 in sales. No Micheal Jackson, Janet Jackson, Genesis, Spice Girls, Britney Spears, Ace of Base. Celine Dion has like three album in the top 25 and doesn't get a mention. There are good albums there but the best 90s? No for me. Hell technical New Kids on the Block has to be there in sales. Ten has been mentioned a ton but I'm not sure that is 50 in sales for the decade. The Foo Fighter are the biggest rock band in the world and a no show on the list.
 
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I wouldn't put too much emphasis on commercially success. Just eye balling the list, I doubt we've hit half of the top 50 or top 100 in sales. No Micheal Jackson, Janet Jackson, Genesis, Spice Girls, Britney Spears, Ace of Base. Celine Dion has like three album in the top 25 and doesn't get a mention. There are good albums there but the best 90s? No for me. Hell technical New Kids on the Block has to be there in sales. Ten has been mentioned a ton but I'm not sure that is 50 in sales for the decade. The Foo Fighter are the biggest rock band in the world and a no show on the list.
But I didn't say Commercial Success was the main determinant. But I think it has to have some level of impact. And no one would argue that New Kids on the Block or Britney Spears was impactful so they lack that metric while still having a bunch of commercial success. But commercial success and popularity has to be got to be part of it doesn't it? I mean unless Cato says that isn't part of the metric because it is show. And then we can be as esoteric as we want I assume. My only fear is it would be just everyone voting for what they like rather than taking any other metrics into consideration.
 
How does In Utero get left of? OK so I add the following albums:

Nirvana - In Utero
Failure - Fantastic Planet
Truly - Fast Stories...From kid Coma
Posies - Frosting on the Beater
Wilco - Summer Teeth
Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
Ride - Going Blank Again
Swervedriver- Ejector Seat Reservation
R.E.M - New Adventures in Hi Fi.
Beastie Boys Hello Nasty
...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead - Madonna
Pavement - Wowee Zowee
Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
 
But I didn't say Commercial Success was the main determinant. But I think it has to have some level of impact. And no one would argue that New Kids on the Block or Britney Spears was impactful so they lack that metric while still having a bunch of commercial success. But commercial success and popularity has to be got to be part of it doesn't it? I mean unless Cato says that isn't part of the metric because it is show. And then we can be as esoteric as we want I assume. My only fear is it would be just everyone voting for what they like rather than taking any other metrics into consideration.
But are we talking about best or most influential? Nevermind is a fantastic album. Maybe the best of the decade. Hugely impactful at the time but is it really influentially? It didn't spawn a generation. Same with NKOTHB or Britney. The impact was fleeting. I'd argue Sonic Youth had more influence on music and it's direction than Nirvana et al a decade later. Part of that is the slow death of cultural rock in the following two decade. Part of it is that music doesn't have the same power and influence now than in the past.
 
But are we talking about best or most influential? Nevermind is a fantastic album. Maybe the best of the decade. Hugely impactful at the time but is it really influentially? It didn't spawn a generation. Same with NKOTHB or Britney. The impact was fleeting. I'd argue Sonic Youth had more influence on music and it's direction than Nirvana et al a decade later. Part of that is the slow death of cultural rock in the following two decade. Part of it is that music doesn't have the same power and influence now than in the past.
Power of marketing image over substance.
 
But are we talking about best or most influential? Nevermind is a fantastic album. Maybe the best of the decade. Hugely impactful at the time but is it really influentially? It didn't spawn a generation. Same with NKOTHB or Britney. The impact was fleeting. I'd argue Sonic Youth had more influence on music and it's direction than Nirvana et al a decade later. Part of that is the slow death of cultural rock in the following two decade. Part of it is that music doesn't have the same power and influence now than in the past.
This is why I'm asking for the criteria for judgment.
 
Was casually following this thread as I'm not the biggest fan of 90s music, but then two of my Top 10 all-time favorite albums were nominated! The Road to Ensenada (Lyle Lovett) and Love Deluxe (Sade). So, I guess I'll be participating after all! Now can I get somebody to nominate Joe Henry - Fuse?
 
But are we talking about best or most influential? Nevermind is a fantastic album. Maybe the best of the decade. Hugely impactful at the time but is it really influentially? It didn't spawn a generation. Same with NKOTHB or Britney. The impact was fleeting. I'd argue Sonic Youth had more influence on music and it's direction than Nirvana et al a decade later. Part of that is the slow death of cultural rock in the following two decade. Part of it is that music doesn't have the same power and influence now than in the past.
Some of the most memorable bands that had the biggest impact were fleeting in terms of tenure. Nirvana was an active recording band from 88 to early 94. The Doors formed in 1965 and Jim Morrison is dead in 1970. So similar timeframe, but the recording industry works entirely different in the 90s than it did in the 60s and 70s. I'd argue there are way more kids who got into Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Pixies or Jesus Lizard because Kurt Cobain liked them, than discovering those artists on their own. We also have to admit that we may not be the best gauge of cultural impact and how long term or wide spread it is.
 
Some of the most memorable bands that had the biggest impact were fleeting in terms of tenure. Nirvana was an active recording band from 88 to early 94. The Doors formed in 1965 and Jim Morrison is dead in 1970. So similar timeframe, but the recording industry works entirely different in the 90s than it did in the 60s and 70s. I'd argue there are way more kids who got into Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Pixies or Jesus Lizard because Kurt Cobain liked them, than discovering those artists on their own. We also have to admit that we may not be the best gauge of cultural impact and how long term or wide spread it is.
I was trying to make the point that Sonic Youth beget Nirvana. Who did Nirvana beget? It wasn’t millennial bands. Olivia Rodrigo is one of the few that claim 90s bands as an influence and that’s probably from what her parents played. That’s thirty years later. It’s like 90s rock didn’t spawn a new wave of bands like every other generation.
 
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I was trying to make the point that Sonic Youth beget Nirvana. Who did Nirvana beget? It wasn’t millennial bands. Olivia Rodrigo is one of the few that claim 90s bands as an influence and that’s probably from what her parents played. That’s thirty years later. It’s like 90s rock didn’t spawn a new wave of bands.
Because Nickelback and Creed killed rock n roll. No more rock at the Super Bowl. Foo Fighters the last really big rock band. There’s talent out there, but sadly rock is no longer king.
 
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