AGDukesky
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I prefer the Colin Jost version because at least it’s meant to be a joke
Attack on Iran
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PackMan97
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If I didn't like Duke and owe so much to Duke your words would hurt. I'll always put sportsball in the proper perspective. Gg, our performance deserves some ribbing.
FosterCoachK82
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You are right. Today’s revision is that Trump forced Israel’s hand.
CameronBornAndBred
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Two days before the war, I filled up my tank here in New Bern to drive to Richmond for $2.59/gallon. The morning after the war started, I filled up my tank in Va. for $2.89/gallon.
This morning, three days after the war started, back in New Bern, I filled both our cars up $2.79/gallon.
This morning, three days after the war started, back in New Bern, I filled both our cars up $2.79/gallon.
AGDukesky
Member
My takeaway from this is either you drive too much or need vehicles with larger gas tanks
CameronBornAndBred
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HA! Neither cars were empty, but since gas hasn't climbed here yet, I figured I'd be proactive. I passed a couple of stations that had it at $2.99 today, but those stations always raise their prices at the drop of a hat.My takeaway from this is either you drive too much or need vehicles with larger gas tanks
bundabergdevil
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Fun.
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Military Leaders Say Iran War Is So Trump Can Bring About “Armageddon”
Troops have logged more than 110 complaints about such comments with the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
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CameronBlue
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I was afraid of this and I almost posed a question to the board to see what the general opinion of whether this is a possible motive for Trump's Iran War. But it seems as if the topic will quickly stray into PPB territory. If you believe it's pre-ordained than it really doesn't matter what Trump does...and that's as far as down that path as I want to go.Fun.
Military Leaders Say Iran War Is So Trump Can Bring About “Armageddon”
Troops have logged more than 110 complaints about such comments with the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
I think gas prices could be important in shaping public perception. Per AAA, prices in my area are up 10 cents a gallon since yesterday. Paul Krugman estimated that price increases in wholesale gas prices will translate into a 55 cent per gallon rise. Not catastrophic, but enough to get noticed and talked about in an environment where affordability is the top issue.
Maybe they really like the odds stacked up against them come this November I guess.
bundabergdevil
Member
In certain factions of conservative power circles, you just aren't going to disentangle religious fatalism from their actions, which is terrifying for those of us that don't share that belief.
That is by no means a broad brush, but I've observed it first hand on more than a few occasions and it definitely exists.
I'd say it's more an ally taking advantage of that belief system for their own ends. I'll call it the operation Tom Sawyer Whitehouse the Fence
I've seen a lot of different, contradictory reasons for why the administration chose to do this now, including from the administration itself. Political, geostrategic, ideological, religious. Pick any of them and you can probably find reasonable evidence supporting it. Any monocausal explanation is going to be overly simplistic imo.
Personally the simple explanation is the tail is wagging the dog and I know who is each. Any reason beyond that is manufactured with the narrative de jour to explain it to the people of the US. The tail is pretty blunt and direct with the explanation it’s giving.
OldPhiKap
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Fun.
Military Leaders Say Iran War Is So Trump Can Bring About “Armageddon”
Troops have logged more than 110 complaints about such comments with the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
Spoon and dirty sock approve, but can o’beans is unsure.
fidel
Member
People say this is the perfect plan. Many people.
"Anyone can go to Baghdad, real men go to Tehran" has been a slogan within corners of the American foreign policy establishment for a quarter century. Certainly factions within the dog that are happy to be wagged, but this is more a case of interest convergence than anything. ("Desire convergence" may be more accurate, since I don't think this little project advances the actual interests of anyone.)
In fact everyone is saying this
But that establishment has been purged. This isn’t from the post 9/11 playbook. Hell it’s not from any playbook. They are making it up as they go. That’s the explanation for the dissonance. We got dragged into this war, manipulated even but willingly (the kids in Tom Sawyer). It doesn’t serve the agenda of America as a country. I say that because anyone in the government with hard knowledge is keeping as far away from this as possible. The DNI has been silent. The head of the Joint Chiefs is parsing his words. There’s two non elected people that are the only sources of public statements. The dichotomy in messaging between now and Gulf Il is astounding. Both are wars of choice. It’s just that we chose the first one. They had clear messaging and presentation. This? This wasn’t a choice we made. It was a choice forced on us.
This serves the interest of narrow segment of government officials, some lobbyists, some donors and some corporations….multiple interests of those. We are going against centuries of precedent to serve a master that’s not We the People. I can look at this from the outside and within the construct of past US policy. This is cra cra. Even in a scenario that Iran had nuclear weapons they aren’t getting to the US mainland. This isn’t about what’s good for the American people.
You are absolutely right. There is desire convergence. But it’s not the desire of Americans. At least Gulf II had that however misguided it turned out to be.
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