ACC Football: Week 6 (10/4-10/5)

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Friday, October 4, 2024

Syracuse at #25 UNLV, 9pm ET, FS1

Saturday, October 5, 2024

SMU at #22 Louisville, 12pm ET, ESPN
Boston College at Virginia, 12pm ET, ACCN
Pittsburgh at UNC, 12pm ET, ESPN2
Wake Forest at NC State, 12pm ET, The CW (broadcast only; find your affiliate here)
Virginia Tech at Stanford, 3:30pm ET, ACCN
#15 Clemson at Florida State, 7pm ET, ESPN
Duke at Georgia Tech, 8pm ET, ACCN
#8 Miami at California, 10:30pm ET, ESPN

That last game will be this week's center of the college football universe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840205379860389955

Long day for Cal fans on the West Coast, as College GameDay airs live from 6am-9am local time on ESPN and ESPNU, previewing a game that starts at 7:30pm for them. (Longer night for Miami fans on the East Coast.)

Hard to imagine that GameDay came to Durham before it came to Berkeley. This is the second time this season that they've chosen an ACC game; they also went to Dublin to cover the Week 0 season opener of Florida State-Georgia Tech. For some reason, NCAA.com keeps an archive of the show's locations.

Good choice of Berkeley, by the way. ESPN blew it last week: UNLV really was the center of the college football universe, with the PAC/Mountain West war and the Matthew Sluka NIL holdout, but they decided that yet another appearance in Tuscaloosa (instead of the first in Las Vegas) was the way to go.
 
Lots of interesting games this week.
Is SMU the 2nd or 3rd best team in the ACC or is it Louisville?
Will UNC continue to collapse against Pitt?
Can NCSU win the winnable game against WF
How improved is UVA and can they beat BC
Can VT come back from being Duke'd against Miami and beat a decent Stanford team?
Miami looked like it was doing typical ACC Miami things and almost blew it against the Hokies, can they maintain heading to PACC territory?
Will Duke find any good consistency with its offense and will it be good enough vs GT? Or is this the 1st L of the season?

And now the most interesting game:

The Clemson at FSU game is the last gasp hope for FSU to salvage anything from this season. I think DJU has been benched and I don't think he will play. I think everyone believes Clemson will just blast the noles out of Tallahassee and thats the most reasonable prediction. However, this could be the game they rally around, it is a home game against their biggest conference rival. If they stay in the game and somehow find a way to win, they could turn it around maybe finish 8-4, 7-5. Not great, far from expectation, but its a winning season. If they do get blasted, they're 1-5 and they're going to have to find 5 winnable games on that schedule to go to like the mid bowl. I'm not sure that happens, and you may have a number of players that if they just now played their 4th game, they have the option to bail.
 
HoKogan said:
Lots of interesting games this week.
Is SMU the 2nd or 3rd best team in the ACC or is it Louisville?
Will UNC continue to collapse against Pitt?
Can NCSU win the winnable game against WF
How improved is UVA and can they beat BC
Can VT come back from being Duke'd against Miami and beat a decent Stanford team?
Miami looked like it was doing typical ACC Miami things and almost blew it against the Hokies, can they maintain heading to PACC territory?
Will Duke find any good consistency with its offense and will it be good enough vs GT? Or is this the 1st L of the season?

And now the most interesting game:

The Clemson at FSU game is the last gasp hope for FSU to salvage anything from this season. I think DJU has been benched and I don't think he will play. I think everyone believes Clemson will just blast the noles out of Tallahassee and thats the most reasonable prediction. However, this could be the game they rally around, it is a home game against their biggest conference rival. If they stay in the game and somehow find a way to win, they could turn it around maybe finish 8-4, 7-5. Not great, far from expectation, but its a winning season. If they do get blasted, they're 1-5 and they're going to have to find 5 winnable games on that schedule to go to like the mid bowl. I'm not sure that happens, and you may have a number of players that if they just now played their 4th game, they have the option to bail.
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I'm looking forward to Clemson squashing them and then having them pick up L #6 in Durham. Then Miami can make them bowl ineligible the following week. Maybe then the guy will finally eat the dog poop to remove the curse.
 
BigWayne said:
I'm looking forward to Clemson squashing them and then having them pick up L #6 in Durham. Then Miami can make them bowl ineligible the following week. Maybe then the guy will finally eat the dog poop to remove the curse.
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Between that and the hurricane — dude needs to eat the poop. We know it, he knows it. Everyone knows it.

Just do it and break the curse. (okay, after losing to Duke).
 
ESPN says FSU QB is out with a broken finger for Clemson. They are being vague about how long he will be out beyond that.
FSU and Duke both have an open weekend on 10/12 before the 10/18 Friday night game in Durham.

Uiagalelei is expected to at least miss the next few weeks, and a clearer timeline for return will come after further evaluation. Brock Glenn will start for FSU's game against Clemson on Saturday, sources said.

Coach Mike Norvell said during his Monday news conference that Uiagalelei's status was going to be evaluated throughout the course of the week and that the Seminoles would "see where it goes from there."
 
It is highly likely that Uiagalelei has a NIL deal with FSU in excess of $2 million. At what point do the folks funding that deal say, "(bleep) this. We ain't paying the guy any more. What's the worst he can do, leave the team?"

These NIL deals are almost always paid out over the course of a season... if FSU's season has been flushed down the toilet, at least partly due to horrific QB play, does the collective pull the plug on making full payments to the QB?
 
JasonEvans said:
It is highly likely that Uiagalelei has a NIL deal with FSU in excess of $2 million. At what point do the folks funding that deal say, "(bleep) this. We ain't paying the guy any more. What's the worst he can do, leave the team?"

These NIL deals are almost always paid out over the course of a season... if FSU's season has been flushed down the toilet, at least partly due to horrific QB play, does the collective pull the plug on making full payments to the QB?
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Jason - that is an incredibly naive comment. Players have agents. I'm sure there is a contract in place. They can't just stop paying it. That's not how the world works. Really? I don't think DJ is that dumb.
 
CrazyNotCrazie said:
Jason - that is an incredibly naive comment. Players have agents. I'm sure there is a contract in place. They can't just stop paying it. That's not how the world works. Really? I don't think DJ is that dumb.
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Well we know of at least one QB that didn't have a contract.
 
BigWayne said:
Well we know of at least one QB that didn't have a contract.
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Sluka couldn’t sign one even during the summer because he was still completing his Holy Cross degree. Doesn’t apply here.

It would be dumb and very self-defeating for FSU to stop paying him. I just can’t imagine folks associated with that school attempting really dumb and self-defeating things. 🙄
 
The NIL collectives can be nebulous kind of organizations. All of them are just a year or two old and many schools have multiple collectives operating alongside each other.

While I do not doubt that DJ and his agent have a signed contract, the party with whom the contract exists could be tough to make a judgement against.

I am not saying it is likely, but I won't be entirely shocked if something strange happens. The folks doing the funding are most assuredly not not not happy at FSU.
 
AustinDevil said:
Sluka couldn’t sign one even during the summer because he was still completing his Holy Cross degree. Doesn’t apply here.

It would be dumb and very self-defeating for FSU to stop paying him. I just can’t imagine folks associated with that school attempting really dumb and self-defeating things. 🙄
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Especially given the level of donations there.
 
JasonEvans said:
It is highly likely that Uiagalelei has a NIL deal with FSU in excess of $2 million. At what point do the folks funding that deal say, "(bleep) this. We ain't paying the guy any more. What's the worst he can do, leave the team?"

These NIL deals are almost always paid out over the course of a season... if FSU's season has been flushed down the toilet, at least partly due to horrific QB play, does the collective pull the plug on making full payments to the QB?
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If that happens, it will reflect very poorly on the school, not just the collective. Word wouldn't just get around, it would be broadcast from the highest towers at full volume. FSU would find it suddenly very difficult to recruit players. Claiming a misunderstanding about whether or not money is owed in the first instance is very different from starting payments and then stopping them because you don't like what you're getting. It would absolutely kill the agent in charge of the transaction, too, because he didn't get the agreement in writing.

I just don't see this happening. Not more than once, anyway.
 
When you make a deal with a collective, do you know that they already have the money in the bank to pay out that obligation and all the other ones they've made? Or are the collectives expecting a certain level of fundraising in the future to meet ongoing obligations? Given how recently many of these have been formed, I'm not sure what level of rigor to expect there. The impression I got when Carolina was trying to land a center was that they were going to donors to raise the money. Would they have waited until they had money in the bank to make an offer, or would they have relied on a commitment that the funds would be coming?

If that kind of process is repeated across a hundred schools, I have to think that at some point one (or many) deals will collapse.
 
dlmzzz said:
When you make a deal with a collective, do you know that they already have the money in the bank to pay out that obligation and all the other ones they've made? Or are the collectives expecting a certain level of fundraising in the future to meet ongoing obligations? Given how recently many of these have been formed, I'm not sure what level of rigor to expect there. The impression I got when Carolina was trying to land a center was that they were going to donors to raise the money. Would they have waited until they had money in the bank to make an offer, or would they have relied on a commitment that the funds would be coming?

If that kind of process is repeated across a hundred schools, I have to think that at some point one (or many) deals will collapse.
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The Athletic's excellent series on NIL over the summer had several references to this situation. Apparently there are many cases where a collective (or a coach, even though they are not supposed to be involved in this) makes a promise and then just hopes they will be able to raise the money to keep that promise. Though we don't hear a lot about them, it is not all that uncommon for a player to get less than what was promised by a school. This was apparently a bigger problem early in the NIL era than it is at present with agents and more enforceable contracts being the norm, but it is not a rare as folks seem to think.
 
JasonEvans said:
--. Apparently there are many cases where a collective (or a coach, even though they are not supposed to be involved in this) makes a promise and then just hopes they will be able to raise the money to keep that promise. Though we don't hear a lot about them, it is not all that uncommon for a player to get less than what was promised by a school.
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this is my shocked face.....
 
brevity said:
Friday, October 4, 2024

Syracuse at #25 UNLV, 9pm ET, FS1

Saturday, October 5, 2024

SMU at #22 Louisville, 12pm ET, ESPN
Boston College at Virginia, 12pm ET, ACCN
Pittsburgh at UNC, 12pm ET, ESPN2
Wake Forest at NC State, 12pm ET, The CW (broadcast only; find your affiliate here)
Virginia Tech at Stanford, 3:30pm ET, ACCN
#15 Clemson at Florida State, 7pm ET, ESPN
Duke at Georgia Tech, 8pm ET, ACCN
#8 Miami at California, 10:30pm ET, ESPN

That last game will be this week's center of the college football universe:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840205379860389955

Long day for Cal fans on the West Coast, as College GameDay airs live from 6am-9am local time on ESPN and ESPNU, previewing a game that starts at 7:30pm for them. (Longer night for Miami fans on the East Coast.)

Hard to imagine that GameDay came to Durham before it came to Berkeley. This is the second time this season that they've chosen an ACC game; they also went to Dublin to cover the Week 0 season opener of Florida State-Georgia Tech. For some reason, NCAA.com keeps an archive of the show's locations.

Good choice of Berkeley, by the way. ESPN blew it last week: UNLV really was the center of the college football universe, with the PAC/Mountain West war and the Matthew Sluka NIL holdout, but they decided that yet another appearance in Tuscaloosa (instead of the first in Las Vegas) was the way to go.
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Sounds like the Calgorithm at least partly led to Gameday’s selection of Berkeley. This article has a good overview of the phenomenon, including the background on how a fan commissioned a song about their running back, Jadyn Ott: Calgorithm ESPN Article
 
pcal6vb said:
Sounds like the Calgorithm at least partly led to Gameday’s selection of Berkeley. This article has a good overview of the phenomenon, including the background on how a fan commissioned a song about their running back, Jadyn Ott: Calgorithm ESPN Article
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Thanks for the link to the article. Is it just me or have the additions of Cal, Stanford and SMU brought new life to the ACC? Before we were moaning about the demise of the conference now Cal is getting GameDay. Plus its collective is potentially going to be $2mil richer. The ACC could just become the smart boys football conference that actually plays good football. Something many of us have wished would happen for years. The Cal twitter stuff has been fantastic. Sorry we don’t play this year as would love to see their clever putdowns of us Dukies. Sure they will have some for our basketball. Such an elevation from the basic kindergarten putdowns of UNC and Kentucky fans.
 
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