ACC Football Championship

Papa John said:
Actually, they do know how bad the program was between Spurrier and Cutcliffe—that's why Duke football is so far off the radar of college football fans, period. Even folks who pay attention to good teams don't really give our program much credit nowadays, often writing Duke off as a 'bad loss.' In the past 4 years, Duke has not been a 'bad' loss at all, and a win over our program should actually be considered a quality win [IMHO].
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This is very true. To date, we've won 33 games in the past 4 seasons. That's pretty good.
 
Papa John said:
Actually, they do know how bad the program was between Spurrier and Cutcliffe—that's why Duke football is so far off the radar of college football fans, period. Even folks who pay attention to good teams don't really give our program much credit nowadays, often writing Duke off as a 'bad loss.' In the past 4 years, Duke has not been a 'bad' loss at all, and a win over our program should actually be considered a quality win [IMHO].
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It is nice to no longer look for Duke in the ESPN "Bottom 10" each week.
 
Papa John said:
Actually, they do know how bad the program was between Spurrier and Cutcliffe—that's why Duke football is so far off the radar of college football fans, period. Even folks who pay attention to good teams don't really give our program much credit nowadays, often writing Duke off as a 'bad loss.' In the past 4 years, Duke has not been a 'bad' loss at all, and a win over our program should actually be considered a quality win [IMHO].
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I don’t know. My sense is that the average football fan in the San Diego region is more likely to know whether Oceanside High School or El Camino had a better football program in the ‘00s than Duke or Carolina. I think I lived here for 15 years before a single Duke football game was televised. ACC football just has not had much visibility for people used to the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12, Big 10 . . .
 
cato said:
I don’t know. My sense is that the average football fan in the San Diego region is more likely to know whether Oceanside High School or El Camino had a better football program in the ‘00s than Duke or Carolina. I think I lived here for 15 years before a single Duke football game was televised. ACC football just has not had much visibility for people used to the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12, Big 10 . . .
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I lived in San Diego back in the 80s plus I traveled there frequently for work over the years so I agree with Cato. College football on the West Coast is all about the PAC 10/12 and BIG 10 (Rose Bowl opponents) with a sprinkling of SEC interest.

Obviously, the landscape is changing with the demise of the PAC 12 but it isn’t changing quickly.
 
Bob Green said:
Over the past four seasons, Duke has won 20 ACC games. Only Clemson has won more.
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Wait, that can't be correct... Did you consult with someone on the BOT at FSU before posting that? Perhaps that smart guy from a couple years back who said how valuable of a commodity the Noles were? I'll bet he's got different numbers, though they might draw from a wider or older timeframe...
 
cato said:
I don’t know. My sense is that the average football fan in the San Diego region is more likely to know whether Oceanside High School or El Camino had a better football program in the ‘00s than Duke or Carolina. I think I lived here for 15 years before a single Duke football game was televised. ACC football just has not had much visibility for people used to the PAC 10, SEC, Big 12, Big 10 . . .
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I think both things are likely true. I have no doubt people in SD know more about local HS teams than Duke football. I also suspect most casual NCAAF fans know Duke as a terrible football program. What surprises those people is when they find out Duke hasn't been a terrible football program for a long time. Everything you wrote is why.

And everyone didn't think of uNC as an irrelevant football program because they've never had that reputation. Maybe the cheating (not that one ... or that one ... the other one) legitimized the program in many people's eyes? I mean, even the people at Chapel Hill don't know they have been, and continue to be, a bad football program. Even still, uNC at its worst was never as bad as Duke was for basically 20 years.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence disclaimer: Until July, I lived in Hawaii for 13 years. I can tell you that just about anyone I ever met who followed NCAAF in any capacity knew Duke as a horrible football program. They were almost always shocked when I told them Duke has actually been good for quite some time, but everyone had the same preconceived notion about Duke football. Duke being really, really bad at football for 2-3 decades has basically reached meme status. It's just a thing people "know" to be true despite it not being true.
 
jaytoc said:
Count me as one Duke fan who is among the number who don't want Duke in the CFP.

IMO, as a matter of principle (as if that has anything to do with it), no 7-5 team should be competing for a national championship. More specifically, no team with the 7-5 record we compiled against our schedule this year has any business in the final 12 competing for a national championship. Beyond that, based on what I've seen from the defense the past several games, it wouldn't be pretty.

I'll be very pleased if we beat Virginia for the ACC crown and then enjoy the minor bowl that this year's record warrants.

Just one fan's opinion.
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I agree in principle, but with the way the Longhorns are whining on twitter I might take (too much) pleasure in seeing a 5 loss Duke team in while a 3 loss Texas is left out.

Fair? Nope. Right? Definitely not. Hilarious? Darn straight.
 
dudog84 said:
That's gold, Jesus. GOLD!

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Heaven's Guardian said:
Committee making it very clear that we won't be in the playoff- UNT and JMU now both ranked. Which is fine, it's not as if we were going to stay within 30 of Oregon. Still hoping for an ACC Championship, which is still worth something to us.
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FosterCoachK82 said:
There’s a chance if Troy wins.
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Yes, and yes.

Let’s beat UVA and get ourselves a banner. I’ll worry about the rest later.
 
AustinDevil said:
And that contradicts my point not one iota. He’s gone. Already thinking about building his UCLA staff and squad. Every player, every staff member, every student, and every Cindy Lou Who in Harrisonburg knows it. It’s a problem for them and it absolutely drains focus.
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Or the players celebrate his success and fight hard for him. JMU KNOWS they are a stepping stone school, and he is moving on with class. It ain't the same thing for a guy going from Ole Miss to LSU.
 
CameronBornAndBred said:
Or the players celebrate his success and fight hard for him. JMU KNOWS they are a stepping stone school, and he is moving on with class. It ain't the same thing for a guy going from Ole Miss to LSU.
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The notion that they’ll be inspired to rally around the coach who’s leaving them in a sad, Blue Ridge backwater town for El Lay is risible.

JMU may win, because they’re better than Troy. But they sure won’t win so for their beloved asterisk-coach. 😂
 
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