2025 Men's Basketball Recruiting

I had forgotten Trevon Duval. With the help of Google, it looks like he was a one and done, declared for the draft and did not get drafted. Now playing in Azerbaijan. I can't remember the circumstances of why he declared for the draft when he knew or should have known that he would not be drafted
 
accfanfrom1970 said:
The running gag "Never mind" became a lighthearted catchphrase of the era. In her first appearance on SNL, the character of Emily Litella was an author who appeared as an interview subject on a show called "Looks At Books".
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I never heard of Emily or Looks At Brooks. For me SNL jumped the shark years ago. Inside jokes are generally unknown to many IMO, it is easier to be understood using real language (says me using IMO).😎
 
Kedsy said:
In the summer RSCI, Cayden is ranked #18. He may go up, he may go down, we won't know until this coming summer.

In their respective final RSCIs:

Jason Williams was #3
Chris Duhon was #6
Greg Paulus was #13
Kyrie Irving was #2
Austin Rivers was #2
Trevon Duval was #5
Tyus Jones was #7
Derryck Thornton was #13
Tre Jones was #13
Jeremy Roach was #20
Tyrese Proctor was #97 (though due to his living in another country, only one service ranked him and they ranked him #35)

All of the above were starters as freshmen, at least nominally at the PG position.

As far as "successfully" playing big rotation minutes, Paulus led the ACC in assists and his team was #1 in the final AP poll, which sounds successful to me. Tre Jones was successful under almost any definition (except shooting percentage). Roach played decently, more of a combo guard than a true point, but his team was unsuccessful. Thornton had up and down moments, though he kind of shared PG responsibilities with Matt Jones. I thought Proctor was reasonably successful.
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You could add Frank Jackson (#14) to the list, though he was a combo guard and shared pg responsibilities with Grayson Allen (and maybe Matt Jones) - he started our last eight games and 16 games overall that season.

More generally: there's a lot of daylight between being "handed the keys", Tyus Jones/Kyrie Irving style, and being a guard who is solidly in the rotation (Roach/Jackson). I'd be surprised if Cayden ends up in the former category and surprised if he is not in the latter category.
 
phaedrus said:
You could add Frank Jackson (#14) to the list, though he was a combo guard and shared pg responsibilities with Grayson Allen (and maybe Matt Jones) - he started our last eight games and 16 games overall that season.

More generally: there's a lot of daylight between being "handed the keys", Tyus Jones/Kyrie Irving style, and being a guard who is solidly in the rotation (Roach/Jackson). I'd be surprised if Cayden ends up in the former category and surprised if he is not in the latter category.
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I agree with this. When I use (or think of) the term "handed the keys," I think of Duke freshmen PGs who were recruited to, and unequivocally did, run the team from day-1. I don't offer that term lightly. Of Kedsy's list, the only players I would offer that term to are:

Greg Paulus (who held the keys from 2005 until at least 2008, when they were turned over to maybe Demarcus Nelson (non-freshman) and then phased into Jon Scheyer (non-freshman) )
Kyrie Irving, no question
Austin Rivers, kind of, although he clearly was not an optimal, prototypical PG
[lull as we turned to transfer Seth Curry and non-freshman Quinn Cook]
Tyus Jones, no question
[I would not include Derryck Thornton, who reclassed to help us out, but was simply too young/green to adequately run the team; and I think we knew that when we took him in, so would not say we "handed him the keys"]
[nor would I include Frank Jackson who ascended into a role as the season progressed]
Trevon Duval, who was uber athletic but not, what I would call, a prototypical PG
Tre Jones, barely but I'll give it to him
Jeremy Roach, is a tough call, he was indeed the nominal PG but did we really "give him the keys?" I guess we kinda did, but that was

So Paulus, Irving, Rivers, Jones, Duval, Jones, and maybe Roach.

Jay Will and Duhon were before my time, at least following recruiting and what we were truly intending with them ahead of their arrival.

- Chillin
 
ChillinDuke said:
Jay Will and Duhon were before my time, at least following recruiting and what we were truly intending with them ahead of their arrival.

- Chillin
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Jay Williams was definitely handed the keys (by necessity; he arrived right after our first ever mass exodus). Duhon was not. In fact, he wasn't even a starter until late in the year, when Nate James moved to the bench and he took over as the primary point guard from Jay Will.
 
ChillinDuke said:
I agree with this. When I use (or think of) the term "handed the keys," I think of Duke freshmen PGs who were recruited to, and unequivocally did, run the team from day-1. I don't offer that term lightly. Of Kedsy's list, the only players I would offer that term to are:

Greg Paulus (who held the keys from 2005 until at least 2008, when they were turned over to maybe Demarcus Nelson (non-freshman) and then phased into Jon Scheyer (non-freshman) )
Kyrie Irving, no question
Austin Rivers, kind of, although he clearly was not an optimal, prototypical PG
[lull as we turned to transfer Seth Curry and non-freshman Quinn Cook]
Tyus Jones, no question
[I would not include Derryck Thornton, who reclassed to help us out, but was simply too young/green to adequately run the team; and I think we knew that when we took him in, so would not say we "handed him the keys"]
[nor would I include Frank Jackson who ascended into a role as the season progressed]
Trevon Duval, who was uber athletic but not, what I would call, a prototypical PG
Tre Jones, barely but I'll give it to him
Jeremy Roach, is a tough call, he was indeed the nominal PG but did we really "give him the keys?" I guess we kinda did, but that was

So Paulus, Irving, Rivers, Jones, Duval, Jones, and maybe Roach.

Jay Will and Duhon were before my time, at least following recruiting and what we were truly intending with them ahead of their arrival.

- Chillin
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Jordan Goldwire started half of the '20-'21 team's games at point guard and led the team in assists (4.0 to Roach's 2.8); DJ Steward and Jalen Johnson also shared ball-handling duties. So while Roach was high in the rotation and played at least some point guard, I'd say he wasn't "handed the keys" at PG the way the others were.
 
MartyClark said:
I had forgotten Trevon Duval. With the help of Google, it looks like he was a one and done, declared for the draft and did not get drafted. Now playing in Azerbaijan. I can't remember the circumstances of why he declared for the draft when he knew or should have known that he would not be drafted
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Trevon was the PG on that Trent, Carter, Bagley team. He was always a bit unpredictable. I'll never forget his breakaway at CTC when he lobbed the ball to himself off the backboard for a spectacular dunk and Coach K lost his mind on the sideline
 
SkyBrickey said:
Trevon was the PG on that Trent, Carter, Bagley team. He was always a bit unpredictable. I'll never forget his breakaway at CTC when he lobbed the ball to himself off the backboard for a spectacular dunk and Coach K lost his mind on the sideline
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And his UNC dunk is at least an honorable mention for me in the top list of dunks being discussed elsewhere.

 
MartyClark said:
I had forgotten Trevon Duval. With the help of Google, it looks like he was a one and done, declared for the draft and did not get drafted. Now playing in Azerbaijan. I can't remember the circumstances of why he declared for the draft when he knew or should have known that he would not be drafted
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As others have noted, Trevon came in with a big time reputation (#5 recruit in the class) and the mindset that he would be OAD. Nothing wrong with that, but his overall play never really got there. He was an electric athlete, for sure, but was the 5th option on a team that also had Bagley, Allen, Carter, and Trent and Trevon showed himself to be a poor shooter (29% on 3s, just 59% from the FT line). This was just as the Steph era was changing the way the pros played the game and athleticism was taking a back seat to shooting.

I recall when Duval declared for the draft that he was seen as a mid-2nd round pick. Here is what ESPN wrote at the time:
Several NBA executives told ESPN that the athletic Duval is a likely second-round pick in June's draft. Duval averaged 10.3 points and 5.6 assists, but NBA executives question his decision-making and also his perimeter shooting.
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While it was a mild surprise, it wasn't a truly stunning shock when he fell all the way out of the draft. His pro career has been unfortunate in that he never found the skills to make big money. I hope he has done a nice job of saving some of what he has earned thus far.
 
Weren't there rumors about Duval having vision issues? I also seem to remember some mechanical adjustments to his shot mid season. Man, that team was loaded with talent..
 
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