2024 U.S. Presidential election

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I think you’re missing the bigger point, which is that polling indicates that ~90% of DEMOCRATS also don’t seem to think “threats to democracy” are a high priority issue in this election. And that is truly baffling.

Also, while clearly not on the same level as Project 2025, there are certainly some unhelpful data points on Democrats out there (e.g., Letitia James as a candidate vowing to “get” then sitting President Trump, Hillary and John Kerry talking about curtailing the First Amendment, the Twitter Files Congressional hearings in which Democratic panel members managed to do the unthinkable and make Jim Jordan seem like the adult in the room, etc.). All fodder to fire up the MAGA true believers.
Well the reason that Dems have been getting their butts handed to them is because they been underestimating their counterparts for decades. Impartial people can see the double standard that the parties are help to. They have been following a rule book that was thrown out ages ago and failed to adapt.You can say they are banking on people reverting to their better nature but have them meet us?
 
Well the reason that Dems have been getting their butts handed to them is because they been underestimating their counterparts for decades. Impartial people can see the double standard that the parties are help to. They have been following a rule book that was thrown out ages ago and failed to adapt.You can say they are banking on people reverting to their better nature but have them meet us?
Dems have been getting their butts handed to them? I must have missed something. I thought Dems did quite well in 2020 and 2022.
 
Dems have been getting their butts handed to them? I must have missed something. I thought Dems did quite well in 2020 and 2022.
The forest for the trees. People pay less attention to the local and state levels where yes they have been getting their butts handed to them. Why do you think the GOP controls the House? State legislatures make the maps and there are more Rs in control at that level. Gerrymandering means they will be in power for at least the next half decade probably longer. Going down the ladder you have more Rs in control in local elections, school boards, etc. At the grassroots Dems aren’t in small and rural areas….areas that now have a disproportionate level of power. Even if somehow Trump loses the threat to US democracy is now baked into the system. People seem to think if Trump loses its over and we will return to “normal.” That’s not going to happen. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. People forgot that, got complacent and here we are today. How’s that to start everyone’s morning?
 
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Some point soon we will get past the polls and get some really good analysis on early voting. Interesting stuff going on in PA. I have read if the early vote difference gets somewhere between 400,000-500,000 it’s a tipping point that same day voting Rs will not be able to make up. The gap at the moment is 325,000 and that’s just the D vote. How many Rs will vote for Harris?

We may not be all that representative but my wife is a registered Republican and I’m independent- so hopefully there are more like us…
 
Wasn't the use of the term "Mohammedanism" (sic) in a unc scholar-athlete's term paper that triggered the fake classes scandal a few years ago? That allowed a plagiarism software program to identify the paper as using a published article from the 1920's (IIRC) without proper credit. Might have to look up some of Olympic Fan's postings on the unc academic scandal that rarely gets mentioned anymore...
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At this point, it just feels inevitable that he’s going to win. I’m preparing for it. :confused:


Guess I better start looking at that pie list so I can figure out what I’m going to tell Steven to send me.
So per @Steven43 's feeling it's a lock that Harris wins and per yours it's a lock that Trump wins. So that should cancel out, though your post is probably some sort of attempt at a reverse jinx.

I'm going with nobody knows yet and that it's pretty close.
 
Yup. The polls show that preference between the two candidates is pretty even in most battleground states.

Who actually turns out their voters the best will win each state. And that is truly unknowable until they start counting votes.
My feeling is that the election won’t actually be that close. The problem being I have no idea which way it will go. But of the 7 swing states, I think the breakdown will be 7-0 or 6-1. I am just not confident in calling it either way(though I know which side I’m rooting for)
 
So per @Steven43 's feeling it's a lock that Harris wins and per yours it's a lock that Trump wins. So that should cancel out, though your post is probably some sort of attempt at a reverse jinx.

I'm going with nobody knows yet and that it's pretty close.
Dominion voting machines know😊

I’ve decided my new response to conspiracy theories is to lean into them and those paranoid enough to believe them will get so stressed out that they won’t bother the rest of us.
 
I'm so mad right now, the death penalty ought to be on the table for these folks. They know exactly what they are doing.


One of the biggest changes we made in my mother-in-laws quality of life was setting up her TV so that it is set to the Hallmark Channel when it turns on and getting her a RAZ Memory phone which among other great features allows us to block all texts and whitelist phone numbers so now the only people able to call her are her sister, brother-in-law and her daughter and I. Oh, and taking away her car keys, checkbook and credit cards.
 
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I'm so mad right now, the death penalty ought to be on the table for these folks. They know exactly what they are doing.


One of the biggest changes we made in my mother-in-laws quality of life was setting up her TV so that it is set to the Hallmark Channel when it turns on and getting her a RAZ Memory phone which among other great features allows us to whitelist phone numbers so now the only people able to call her are her sister, brother-in-law and her daughter and I. Oh, and taking away her car keys, checkbook and credit cards.
Hallmark channel? Oh my!!

She'll probably expect to find romance and get married within two weeks.
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Hallmark channel? Oh my!!

She'll probably expect to find romance and get married within two weeks.
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Doubt it. But given the alternative, it's the best choice out there. The worst was her asking about Christmas presents in July. /smdh

She did catch "Skyscrapper" with Dwayne Johnson and for a week was trying to move her stuff out of her apartment because she thought the building was going to burn down. You gotta pick your poison with dementia. She was married for 53 years and really has no interest in old men.
 
Speaking of the betting markets, here is a Fox News article that talks about how much better the betting markets are at predicting the winner than the polls.


For Lott, looking at betting averages gives people a much clearer picture of what the most likely outcome of the election is compared to trying to piece together polls.

"These are really accurate, they’re more accurate than just trying to look at polls or especially more accurate than listening to pundits bloviating," Lott said.

"[The bettors] look at all sorts of historical data, they look at trends," he added. "I find the percent more useful than the polls."
 
Speaking of the betting markets, here is a Fox News article that talks about how much better the betting markets are at predicting the winner than the polls.


Maxim Lott. Know your sources. Do not expect anything unbiased from that source. Anyone who thinks he is unbiased does not know what the word unbiased means.
 
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