2024 U.S. Presidential election

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luvdahops said:
As it relates to the threat to democracy, I am as baffled as you are but polls consistently show that it is not a high priority issue for the broader electorate (generally 10% or less of voters) and that those who do prioritize it are split roughly equally along party lines, with Republicans citing “lawfare”, media censorship, etc.
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I mean, they are not concerned about it because the party they support is the one that is trying to subvert democracy. As far as they are concerned, the "good guys" (to them) are going to seize power, hold onto it, and enact the policies it wants outside the normal give-and-take of our governing tradition. Why should Republicans be upset about holding onto power and getting to do whatever they want?

If Democrats were doing that I'm pretty sure I would not be nearly as worked up about it** as I am right now, know what I mean?

**- To be clear, I would find it wrong and would vocally call out Democrats who were doing this, but it wouldn't feel like nearly as much of an existential threat.
 
Been seeing some folks from Asheville complaining that his visit shut down all traffic in the city.

And I’m sure he’ll stiff them for any costs as well.
 
JasonEvans said:
I mean, they are not concerned about it because the party they support is the one that is trying to subvert democracy. As far as they are concerned, the "good guys" (to them) are going to seize power, hold onto it, and enact the policies it wants outside the normal give-and-take of our governing tradition. Why should Republicans be upset about holding onto power and getting to do whatever they want?

If Democrats were doing that I'm pretty sure I would not be nearly as worked up about it** as I am right now, know what I mean?

**- To be clear, I would find it wrong and would vocally call out Democrats who were doing this, but it wouldn't feel like nearly as much of an existential threat.
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I think you’re missing the bigger point, which is that polling indicates that ~90% of DEMOCRATS also don’t seem to think “threats to democracy” are a high priority issue in this election. And that is truly baffling.

Also, while clearly not on the same level as Project 2025, there are certainly some unhelpful data points on Democrats out there (e.g., Letitia James as a candidate vowing to “get” then sitting President Trump, Hillary and John Kerry talking about curtailing the First Amendment, the Twitter Files Congressional hearings in which Democratic panel members managed to do the unthinkable and make Jim Jordan seem like the adult in the room, etc.). All fodder to fire up the MAGA true believers.
 
nmduke2001 said:
There has to be a picture of her in her McDonalds uniform. I'd wish someone would find it and release it so we could get past this stupid talking point. How is it that people complain about this McDonalds working record when Trump still claims that he won "Man of the Year" in Michigan despite it being debunked numerous times? I almost forgot, what about the "I won the election". It's like we live in a universe in which one person can lie about anything and people believe him and anything the other person says is thoroughly investigated.
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To be fair, when I saw a supposed debunking of the 'man of the year' award, the article said that they actually gave him 'man of the decade,' instead.

So while it was untrue he got man of the year, isn't man of the decade even better? Isn't a decade longer than a year? It would be like Kamala saying that Trump was right, she never worked at McDonald's, but she worked at Five Guys.


Fun fact... while I was text-posting this, by autocorrect changed man of the decade to man of the facade. You can't make this stuff up. 🤣
 
rsvman said:
To be fair, when I saw a supposed debunking of the 'man of the year' award, the article said that they actually gave him 'man of the decade,' instead.

So while it was untrue he got man of the year, isn't man of the decade even better? Isn't a decade longer than a year? It would be like Kamala saying that Trump was right, she never worked at McDonald's, but she worked at Five Guys.


Fun fact... while I was text-posting this, by autocorrect changed man of the decade to man of the facade. You can't make this stuff up. 🤣
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I think they meant “man of the decadent”
 
At this point, it just feels inevitable that he’s going to win. I’m preparing for it. :confused:


Guess I better start looking at that pie list so I can figure out what I’m going to tell Steven to send me.
 
rsvman said:
To be fair, when I saw a supposed debunking of the 'man of the year' award, the article said that they actually gave him 'man of the decade,' instead.

So while it was untrue he got man of the year, isn't man of the decade even better? Isn't a decade longer than a year? It would be like Kamala saying that Trump was right, she never worked at McDonald's, but she worked at Five Guys.


Fun fact... while I was text-posting this, by autocorrect changed man of the decade to man of the facade. You can't make this stuff up. 🤣
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To be fair, he claimed to have been called Michigan Man of the Year more than 10 years ago. He was named Man of the Decade last year by some minor county in Michigan. Big difference
 
jipops said:
Because Trump is killing it with the low info voter. They have no idea who the people are that you listed, not even Pence. And they don’t care. Stuff was cheaper when the orange guy was President. And they’ll show up thinking they are voting for that, above all else.
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That's the 30% I dismissed. The other 18% aren't low information voters. They are the voters who know who he is but are choosing to look the other way. This 18% includes anyone with a college degree who is still voting for Trump with all that we know about him.
 
SkyBrickey said:
That's the 30% I dismissed. The other 18% aren't low information voters. They are the voters who know who he is but are choosing to look the other way. This 18% includes anyone with a college degree who is still voting for Trump with all that we know about him.
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No, there are plenty of low info voters who are non-maga. And Trump is winning with these types as well. They don’t identify with the cult, but they can tolerate it as they go along with the fantasy that he can make groceries and rent cheaper
 
Some point soon we will get past the polls and get some really good analysis on early voting. Interesting stuff going on in PA. I have read if the early vote difference gets somewhere between 400,000-500,000 it’s a tipping point that same day voting Rs will not be able to make up. The gap at the moment is 325,000 and that’s just the D vote. How many Rs will vote for Harris?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848402990710845852
 
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