wavedukefan70s
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It's OK I didn't take it that way.i don't get offended easily. Usually i am the main cause of my own stress. I'm Usually walking a different path than everyone else .
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2024 U.S. Presidential election
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Furniture
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He (Musk), when asking everyone to get their friends to register to vote, said “if they don’t this will be the last election “.
I will never buy a Tesla.
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SkyBrickey
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He loves his ketamine. Meanwhile his mom is openly encouraging voter fraud today. These people are insane. She might get a little visit from the FBI tomorrow.
You absolutely should not ever buy a Tesla. I own two of them — Model X and Model 3 — and am about to sell the X to get a Rivian (for my wife).
And a big part of my motivation to sell is because Elon is a POS.
rsvman
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I thought the intent was pretty clear. Allow me an attempt to explain what I think he meant.
Somebody was asking for an update of what has been happening. I believe the post was meant to say that the Republicans are saying that the Democratic candidate lies, and that the Democrats are saying that the Republican candidate lies. And since this has been going on for a long time, it's pretty much the same old, same old.
Seems like a reasonably fair summary to me.
I don't see anywhere in his post that he was saying there was some kind of equivalents in either the volume or the severity of the lies, merely that each side was continuing to accuse the other side of lying, which is something upon which we all should be able to agree. It has ever been thus.
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rsvman
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It seems that everybody on this thread is suddenly unable to detect satire? Obviously Elon's mom is attempting to point out that she thinks the Democrats don't care about election security. She is not actually suggesting that Republicans cheat the vote.
Spoiler alert:. Jonathan Swift didn't actually want people to eat their babies, either.
Everybody is getting so wrapped up in their own, hyper defensive echo chamber that nobody seems to ba able to think straight anymore. Sometimes I feel like i'm the last sane person on the planet.
SkyBrickey
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I think you're giving yourself too much credit.
And I think you're giving MAGA cult members way too much credit. You don't joke about having a bomb in a TSA line. You don't joke about assassinating a President. And you don't joke about committing a federal crime and voting multiple times in an election.
Or maybe you do, but don't be surprised to hear from the FBI...
Except that is not what you wrote.
wavedukefan70s
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Well that was the intention. My fault.
I should have added more context.
Generally when someone says something I believe they mean it. Trying to divine meaning from someone else’s words seems more problematic than you know….believing those words. For example:
I’ve never not seen this and I’ve been to NYC plenty the last 45 years. These type of comments are drips to slowly erode away truth. And each one reenforces the message. It’s why seemingly reasonable people believe that “They are eating the dogs.” It’s part of a systematic process to dismantle core pillars of society and to justify what’s coming.
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Lord Ash
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Uh… she literally suggested people might want to try voting illegally. Literally.
CrazyNotCrazie
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The combination of this and your patronizing post towards me just above (I appreciate the original poster who I responded to admitting he could have been more clear in his point - not sure why you had to get involved) it is making me question your judgment rather than you questioning all of ours.
We are talking about people who believed that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio are eating cats and dogs and brought chaos to that poor little town. Politicians and those speaking on their behalf should say what they mean. Full stop. That is how the world worked until 10 years ago. Apparently that was too stuffy and uptight for some people. But it worked for most of us, as well as most of the rest of the world. This politics of anger, distrust, etc. is completely out of control and has destroyed this nation. And there is no whatabout about it. A few opportunistic, power hungry lunatics are taking advantage of a lot of people out there. So sad.
But you go ahead rationalizing it. What do we know. We're just melodramatic snowflakes with TDS.
The “vote 10 times” is an exaggeration for effect but the statement is also more than that - it’s blatant lying. She says Democrats are promoting cheating in elections - they are not. She then says Dems have made it legal to cheat in elections- they have not.
I believe Wavedukefans post was just a case of misunderstanding. But Mrs. Musk’s post wasn’t just sarcasm, it was a deliberate broadcast of misinformation and part of a massive propaganda campaign to discredit the validity of US elections. How can anyone not see this? Sometimes I feel like I’m the only sane person left on the planet.
rsvman
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I apologize for my tone.
It seems to me that the whole country could use to tone down the immediate leaping to the worst possible conclusions and firing back with both barrels at every perceived wrong. I was trying to imagine the best intentions in one of our fellow posters, and I thought that if his post were interpreted differently we might all be able to get a long a little better. So I was presumptuous enough to jump in with what was meant as a softening, not a further provocation.
Apparently, I failed miserably. But my intention was merely to imagine that his statement was not intended to stir things up. My judgment might well be suspect, but the idea behind my post was an attempt to not assume the worst of a fellow poster and to try to avoid leaping straight into outrage. Sadly, what I see in the world around me right now is very commonly a leap into outrage followed by a hostile response. I was taught by one of my mentors a long time ago to imagine to myself 'what is the most benign possible interpretation' of somebody else's words and/or actions. After thinking it through from that lens, if it is impossible to imagine anything other than one's original thought, go from there to inquire or make a statement.
Using that idea, there was another way to interpret 'he lies, she lies,' or at least it seemed to me there was. That was all I was saying. You are probably right that I shouldn't have inserted myself into the conversation at all.
And again I apologize for the tone. On reading it again I can see how it seems condescending. That was not my intent. I don't look down on anybody who has posted in this thread. I hold all of you in high regard and value your point of view.
robed deity
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I don't think I'm "jumping to the worst possible conclusions" when one candidate is literally saying he will deport legal immigrants. It seems to be a pretty logical conclusion that he will. And a frightening one.
I'm I fool for wanting to believe in the best of people. It's only tempted by my knowledge that, as we move on, I will be wrong more than right.
rsvman
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This is not at all what I meant. I meant that if somebody posts 'he lies, she lies,' imagining that it is possible that the person who posted that phrase isn't necessarily trying to say that the two candidates are equivalent. He/she MAY believe that, sure; but it is also possible that he/she doesn't believe that.
That's what I meant when I said I don't want to leap to the worst possible assumptions.
CrazyNotCrazie
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I appreciate your apology and appreciate what you are saying with regard to the other poster. He is a long-time poster here so perhaps I should not have assumed the worst. But it was also a suggestion to be more careful with language.
Unfortunately, when it comes to public figures, I cannot be so forgiving. With Trump and his supporters, "I didn't mean it" or "you are jumping to conclusions" is not acceptable (I'm not saying that you are suggesting this, just noting it). Trump has created a culture of anger, negative innuendo, blaming others, and nastiness. As I said above, it has destroyed civil discourse. It is all a big game to them. My life, my family, my friends, my physical and mental health are not a game. It is scary to me that so many people (again, not you) don't get this. These are core values. And there appears to be no way to bridge this gap.
And I'm not sure I see a way back. But time wounds all heels. Or something like that.
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