2024 U.S. Presidential election

jipops said:
A draw if one completely ignores the accuracy of anything stated. Which unfortunately so many do.

They both seemed to try to out do each other on who is the most cordial to the other.

Though undecideds claim they want to see where the candidates stand on issues that is total complete BS.

Climate Change was a topic and only one candidate is looking to take informed direction. The other says we should ignore experts.

Health Care is an issue and only one candidate in this debate displayed a grasp of past policy, its challenges, and direction.

Affordable Housing was a topic. One candidate spoke to tax breaks to 1st time home buyers. The other blamed illegal immigrants, who apparently are the reason for most of America’s problems.

Gun violence was a topic and one candidate’s solution is to make schools a fortress and pin it on mental health. The other pointed to the actual availability of guns.

Democracy was a topic and one candidate still won’t admit he lost in 2020.
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There’s a lot to talk about with this “debate,” but sine you mentioned climate change I will make a comment in this.

Vance, as are other climate deniers, very adept at not saying directly on national TV that they believe it’s a hoax.

The first approach he took, which I’ve heard before l, was to say “We all want clean air and water.”

I’m sorry, but that has nothing to do with man made climate change carbon emissions, methane production, feedback loops, rising ocean levels, glacial melting, etc.

He then went on to say we need to produce more energy through drilling, etc and to manufacture more here in the US.

<sigh>

I do wish Walz had closed the loop on manufacturing in green energy initiatives will get us to the future. We are creating jobs and looking to corner the market on the worldwide energy of the future. He mentioned all the job creation, but didn’t quite make the direct line connection.
 
SkyBrickey said:
"Dick Cheney calls this man the greatest threat to democracy in 258 years. Dont take mine or Kamala's word. Take Dick Cheney's word. Or Mike Pence's word. Or all the many people who served under Trump and all say the same thing. This man can never be allowed in the White House again"

He did miss some opportunities tonight.
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ALLLLLLLLLL of the pundits I watched chimed in with the Coulda Shoulda Wouldas.

None of them were on the stage.
 
crote said:
"Obama's rule" not in the sense of "Obama's unquestioned domain over foreign policy" but "Obama's guiding principle" or "Obama's one weird trick for avoiding drawing the US into an international boondoggle."
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Sorry, and thank you. Obviously, I was misreading.
 
cato said:
I never understood the Shapiro love. Seems a bit like a guy always auditioning for higher office. I think Harris made a good decision when she chose Walz.
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This is why he wasn’t picked. During his final sit down with Harris, he at least implied (if not overly said) he was looking to co-President. That’s not how VPs operate.
 
budwom said:
VPs buy dark suits and attend funerals
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Speaking of which, Walz' suit last night was too dark - looked like he was going to a funeral. Part of his appeal is that he is an everyman who is more comfortable in flannel than a suit, but someone should have given him better advice on this. I recall him being in a much better looking suit at the convention.
 
PackMan97 said:
I got the distinct impression he [Vance] was running for 2028 and/or 2032.
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I agree with this take. He's the guy to make MAGA reasonable. He won't ever be the Great Cult Leader, but he can make crazy ideas sound plausible, something Trump just has no ability to do. I thought Vance won this debate, at least up until the Jan. 6th moment. But he won't need to deny the election once Trump leaves the scene.
 
The debate went largely to what I expected with Vance being a polished liar sticking to the talking points he wanted to. They were still ridiculous fear mongering about the horde of brown people coming to ruin "western culture" but he stayed on point and was coherent, which is way more than one can say for his running mate. He just said a lot of words that meant nothing.
Outside of the "friends with school shooters" gaffe where he meant school shooting victims, Walz held his own. His answers and responses were deliberate and measured. He didn't come out throwing haymakers, but picked his spots, namely on abortion and Jan 6th.
The best you can hope for in the VP debate is they do no harm. Lloyd Benson styled all over Dan Quayle and it didn't help Dukakis in the slightest against HW. Vance probably improved his likeability to a degree, but mainly with people already supporting Trump. I don't think he made any fans. By the same token, Walz didn't turn anyone away from Harris, not sure he brought anyone in.
 
It seemed clear to me that Vance’s strategy was to soften and humanize the message to be more palatable to non-base potential Trump voters. Once he is on the trail talking to Trump’s base it will again be crazy Vance lying about dog-eating immigrants, non-stop.

Smart strategy, unfortunately.
 
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The one thing that probably won’t matter but was still nice to see, was the two of them agreeing on things. We are so fractured that I appreciated the appearance of being able to come together. That’s the message I wish people would take away from the debate. Of course Trump will not reinforce that at all…

Maybe it mattered:
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CameronBornAndBred said:
ALLLLLLLLLL of the pundits I watched chimed in with the Coulda Shoulda Wouldas.

None of them were on the stage.
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The two low points for me were firstly listening to Don Jnr on CNN blaming MSM for the assassination attempts on his father and then Scott Jennings view point on Walz. That did it for me. No more CNN, which is a shame because I do enjoy so many of their anchors. My principles won’t allow me anymore to watch a network that gives a platform to people like that.
 
SkyBrickey said:
Netanyahu launches his perfectly timed October-surprise war. Iran predictably retaliates. Thousands of US soldiers are surging in and may get involved in operations.

Trump will soon be screaming "Kamabla is too weak to protect our allies and our country. She and Crooked Joe are starting WW3 right now. We must stop them!!!!!!!"

Will Netanyahu go on TV on Nov 4 and announce that the US and the world need a strong leader like Trump to protect us all?
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Question. Did Trump and Netanyahu plan this during one of their meetings? I would not put it past Trump at all to meddle in the war for political gain.
 
Furniture said:
The two low points for me were firstly listening to Don Jnr on CNN blaming MSM for the assassination attempts on his father and then Scott Jennings view point on Walz. That did it for me. No more CNN, which is a shame because I do enjoy so many of their anchors. My principles won’t allow me anymore to watch a network that gives a platform to people like that.
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They want eyes/clicks. I guess it's like, "If you can't show someone they love, show someone they hate."

Right along side of, "If it bleeds, it leads."
 
AGDukesky said:
Definitely a possibility
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I doubt it. Sort of.

Nothing I’ve seen from Trump (and I’ve had or witnessed dealings with him for over 40 years) makes me believe that he would be able to even start to play that kind of chess.

Now, is it possible he asked Bibi to do whatever he wants especially if it makes Biden look bad? That’s very likely.
 
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