2024 MLB Discussion

tommy said:
Result was not a fluke. The Yankees were healthy and the Dodgers were playing with a clearly diminished Shohei, and still dismissed NY in 5 games. The better team won.
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It wasn’t a fluke. But it was two errors away from being a 3-2 Yankees lead. Yanks were done in by their poor defense which has haunted them all year. They are who they are.
 
I agree with everyone above that a pitcher always should know to cover first and the onus is primarily on him which is drilled into everyone's head at a young age...but I still found Rizzo's running attempt pathetic even if he wouldn't have necessarily gotten the out. And yes, Rizzo is crazy slow.....good on the Dodgers to make the most of the Yankees miscues!

I actually hadn't even seen the Judge error earlier -- that is perhaps even more boneheaded as he took his eye off the ball to look at the runner instead. The play at third also probably should have been caught even if the shorthop throw is a tough one -- should have been thrown better too.

Both Cole and Rizzo kinda explained their take of the play to say why it wasn't their fault without throwing the other under the bus.

Long story short -- plenty of blame to go around!
 
Bluedog said:
I agree with everyone above that a pitcher always should know to cover first and the onus is primarily on him which is drilled into everyone's head at a young age...but I still found Rizzo's running attempt pathetic even if he wouldn't have necessarily gotten the out. And yes, Rizzo is crazy slow.....good on the Dodgers to make the most of the Yankees miscues!

I actually hadn't even seen the Judge error earlier -- that is perhaps even more boneheaded as he took his eye off the ball to look at the runner instead. The play at third also probably should have been caught even if the shorthop throw is a tough one -- should have been thrown better too.

Both Cole and Rizzo kinda explained their take of the play to say why it wasn't their fault without throwing the other under the bus.

Long story short -- plenty of blame to go around!
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That the Yankees were not a good team in terms of fundamentals is nothing new or surprising. It's haunted them for a while now, as has the lack of athleticism generally in their lineup. We haven't talked much about it because they weren't as damaging to the Yankees hopes, but the 8th inning was special too. Balking the runner to second because the pitcher forgot he'd already went their twice? And catcher's interference?

Again, just fundamentally not a good baseball team. As to the other two errors:
  • Judge's mistake is just one of those things I guess. He'd field that ball cleanly 999 times out of 1000. Bad time for it to be 1000.
  • Volpe's throw was bad and panicked. Jazz would have made a hell of a play to make that pick with the runner bearing down on him. I think it was the right idea from Volpe, just a bad throw. That said, some credit to Kike for getting down the line to put the pressure on Volpe.
 
Chicago 1995 said:
That the Yankees were not a good team in terms of fundamentals is nothing new or surprising. It's haunted them for a while now, as has the lack of athleticism generally in their lineup. We haven't talked much about it because they weren't as damaging to the Yankees hopes, but the 8th inning was special too. Balking the runner to second because the pitcher forgot he'd already went their twice? And catcher's interference?

Again, just fundamentally not a good baseball team. As to the other two errors:
  • Judge's mistake is just one of those things I guess. He'd field that ball cleanly 999 times out of 1000. Bad time for it to be 1000.
  • Volpe's throw was bad and panicked. Jazz would have made a hell of a play to make that pick with the runner bearing down on him. I think it was the right idea from Volpe, just a bad throw. That said, some credit to Kike for getting down the line to put the pressure on Volpe.
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I don't know if this is true but I'm certain that I read that the dropped fly ball was Judge's first error of the season. That's amazing - what a time for an error - and an easy one at that. I agree that he made the mistake of looking up at the runner on first. Why?!? He's not going anywhere on a fly ball that shallow. And just when it was clear Judge was coming out of his slump ... recognizing pitches, staying off breaking balls out of the zone, timing up fastballs. I really think the Yankees would have had a shot to complete the comeback if they held on. Also, people aren't talking as much about the 8th inning. But why didn't he leave Holmes in to start the 8th? I don't care how well he's pitched in the playoffs, Kahnle is not the guy I want out there with the season on the line. I would have given Holmes at least two batters in the 8th.
 
robed deity said:
It blew my mind that Cole forgot to cover first. He's going to have nightmares about that for a long time. Smoltz raised a good point (he is generally good, but is approaching John McEnroe levels of just taking way too much imo) that it's easy to mentally check out after getting the first two strikeouts. The third out is the toughest in that jam, and in this case Cole made another good pitch but didn't stay focused through the whole play.

It cost his team the game probably, and a legitimate chance to win the whole series.
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The Yankees just aren’t a tight team that has the fundamentals down. I can’t believe they didn’t fire Aaron Boone years ago. He sucks.
 
Boone emerging from the dugout spitting sunflower seeds while he sent his bullpen to their demise was a pretty sickening picture.
I don't give much of a hoot since I'm Tigers for Life but yikes think about the frame man.
 
mr. synellinden said:
I don't know if this is true but I'm certain that I read that the dropped fly ball was Judge's first error of the season. That's amazing - what a time for an error - and an easy one at that. I agree that he made the mistake of looking up at the runner on first. Why?!? He's not going anywhere on a fly ball that shallow. And just when it was clear Judge was coming out of his slump ... recognizing pitches, staying off breaking balls out of the zone, timing up fastballs. I really think the Yankees would have had a shot to complete the comeback if they held on. Also, people aren't talking as much about the 8th inning. But why didn't he leave Holmes in to start the 8th? I don't care how well he's pitched in the playoffs, Kahnle is not the guy I want out there with the season on the line. I would have given Holmes at least two batters in the 8th
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Totally speculating here, but I thought Judge wanted to try to double off the runner. It felt like one of those games where he wanted to be THE hero, and he was basically doing a good job of doing that until that play. The homerun, the catch to rob Freeman, then he JUST missed another homerun later...
On the error, he was probably just trying to do too much. He saw the runner halfway and had thoughts about gunning him down at first. Probably unrealistic, but he was gonna do anything he could to make plays this game.
 
robed deity said:
Totally speculating here, but I thought Judge wanted to try to double off the runner. It felt like one of those games where he wanted to be THE hero, and he was basically doing a good job of doing that until that play. The homerun, the catch to rob Freeman, then he JUST missed another homerun later...
On the error, he was probably just trying to do too much. He saw the runner halfway and had thoughts about gunning him down at first. Probably unrealistic, but he was gonna do anything he could to make plays this game.
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Mehhh I don't think he was trying to be THE hero just trying to do what the team needed. He sure did look crushed as the paint was drying. No offense to you please understand
 
weezie said:
Boone emerging from the dugout spitting sunflower seeds while he sent his bullpen to their demise was a pretty sickening picture.
I don't give much of a hoot since I'm Tigers for Life but yikes think about the frame man.
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I’m generally with you as being underwhelmed by Boone.

But take a look at the decisions he made in the KC and Cleveland series. For a while, every toss up call he made worked out. Every one. It was so strange listening to the Fan and hearing callers that obviously wanted to rip him admit that he was doing good job in those series.
 
Chicago 1995 said:
I agree with 99% of what you wrote, but I'm not sure about the above.

With the angle he took, he didn't take off to cover first. He just took off.
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Was watching with my buddy who is a Yankees fan and high school baseball coach. We both agreed...Cole was running off the field assuming that Rizzo has a routine play. Someone on here said it best, Rizzo played that the way he had to because of the nasty spin on the ball. And he looked up expecting Cole to be covering.
 
Back in my day, a few days after the World Series ended, newspapers would run an item "World Series Records Set (Or Tied)."

If such an item ran this year it would include (at least):

Records set:
Most consecutive world series games with a homerun: Freedie Freeman, 6

Records Tied:
Most World Series Lost:
Yankees: 14 (tied with Dodgers)

Have not been able to find a records summary like this for years now. Anyone?
 
Neals384 said:
Back in my day, a few days after the World Series ended, newspapers would run an item "World Series Records Set (Or Tied)."

If such an item ran this year it would include (at least):

Records set:
Most consecutive world series games with a homerun: Freedie Freeman, 6

Records Tied:
Most World Series Lost:
Yankees: 14 (tied with Dodgers)

Have not been able to find a records summary like this for years now. Anyone?
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Also: Largest comeback win (5 runs) to clinch the title.
 
weezie said:
Boone emerging from the dugout spitting sunflower seeds while he sent his bullpen to their demise was a pretty sickening picture.
I don't give much of a hoot since I'm Tigers for Life but yikes think about the frame man.
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maybe you'll feel differently (not about the heroic Tigers, of course) when you see all those beautiful sunflowers blooming next year around the Yankee dugout...
 
I was thinking about the Yankee’s failures in the WS, which included a consistent inability to play defense under pressure. Obviously they were not up to the task of facing the Dodgers, but I don’t think they would have beat the Phillies, Mets or Padres either. The best teams in the NL are playing complete team games in all facets these days. That puts a lot of pressure on execution in key situations.

The Dodgers faced a lot of those situations and executed. They Yankees definitely did not.
 
acdevil said:
It was so strange listening to the Fan and hearing callers that obviously wanted to rip him admit that he was doing good job in those series.
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Like budwom pointed out, the sunflowers will be lovely. Didn't mean to refer to his managerial style, I focus all my attentions on Hinch, but maybe spit all the seeds out before the world sees you approach the mound. Just me, I'm neurotic. :)
 
I was sitting at a bar in Boston, it was so funny to see that no one was watching the second to last game, was so interesting to see that dynamic!
 
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