2024-2025 Men’s Basketball Season: General Offseason Discussion

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Good story up today from CBS' Matt Norlander on Duke's approach to the season and the hype around Flagg. https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...season-yet-an-inside-look-at-the-blue-devils/

Couple of things that jumped out to me, Scheyer's comments re: (i) Flagg and (ii) Proctor:

“Flagg's parents... have encouraged Scheyer and the Duke staff to coach up their son as aggressively as possible. No fluff, no kid gloves. For the family, there is no assumption that Flagg is being promised anything into next week, let alone next June. "They believe in their son, don't get me wrong, but they also know he's got a lot to work on and they wanted him to be in an environment where he'd be pushed, to be coached, to be challenged, to be told no," Scheyer told CBS Sports. "When you're a 17-year-old kid like Cooper and you have the world at your fingertips, you're not told no a lot. And so to be in an environment where you can be told no is key."

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“It's not as buzzy of a talking point, but in watching Duke's team dynamic in practice, [Tyrese] Proctor's play is probably going to be the barometer for Duke's consistency. "He's a key guy, no question," Scheyer said. "And his progression is just doing it all the time. You know, he's shown flashes of doing it. Now it's time, as a junior, where the competitive spirit that he knows that he needs to take on every play, every play within the play."

Scheyer told me he threw Proctor "into the deep end" as a freshman. It's altered his path, but perhaps ultimately for the better. To his credit, he didn't opt to transfer and didn't look for an easier way out after a bumpy sophomore year. As the oldest continuous contributor on Duke's roster, Duke's staff believes Proctor's play is as crucial as anyone else, if not moreso. Scheyer said simplifying the game should be the key to Proctor's ascendence in his third season. He wants him to hunt his shot and be dialed in all the way on his man-to-man lockdown defense. Set a tone for the team in how he competes. "Instead of trying to be good at 10 different things, let's be killer in these three areas, and be that way all the time. And I think we'll see a big, big jump with him," Scheyer said. "We'll have a great year if he does those things."
 
Good story up today from CBS' Matt Norlander on Duke's approach to the season and the hype around Flagg. https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...season-yet-an-inside-look-at-the-blue-devils/

Couple of things that jumped out to me, Scheyer's comments re: (i) Flagg and (ii) Proctor:

“Flagg's parents... have encouraged Scheyer and the Duke staff to coach up their son as aggressively as possible. No fluff, no kid gloves. For the family, there is no assumption that Flagg is being promised anything into next week, let alone next June. "They believe in their son, don't get me wrong, but they also know he's got a lot to work on and they wanted him to be in an environment where he'd be pushed, to be coached, to be challenged, to be told no," Scheyer told CBS Sports. "When you're a 17-year-old kid like Cooper and you have the world at your fingertips, you're not told no a lot. And so to be in an environment where you can be told no is key."

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“It's not as buzzy of a talking point, but in watching Duke's team dynamic in practice, [Tyrese] Proctor's play is probably going to be the barometer for Duke's consistency. "He's a key guy, no question," Scheyer said. "And his progression is just doing it all the time. You know, he's shown flashes of doing it. Now it's time, as a junior, where the competitive spirit that he knows that he needs to take on every play, every play within the play."

Scheyer told me he threw Proctor "into the deep end" as a freshman. It's altered his path, but perhaps ultimately for the better. To his credit, he didn't opt to transfer and didn't look for an easier way out after a bumpy sophomore year. As the oldest continuous contributor on Duke's roster, Duke's staff believes Proctor's play is as crucial as anyone else, if not moreso. Scheyer said simplifying the game should be the key to Proctor's ascendence in his third season. He wants him to hunt his shot and be dialed in all the way on his man-to-man lockdown defense. Set a tone for the team in how he competes. "Instead of trying to be good at 10 different things, let's be killer in these three areas, and be that way all the time. And I think we'll see a big, big jump with him," Scheyer said. "We'll have a great year if he does those things."
i really admire the very different insights into how Scheyer is coaching up Flagg and Proctor. Sounds like Coop has some smart parents! I like the idea of helping Tyrese get better by simplifying, being great at a few things rather than being good at lots of things. Makes sense.
 
Good story up today from CBS' Matt Norlander on Duke's approach to the season and the hype around Flagg. https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...season-yet-an-inside-look-at-the-blue-devils/

Couple of things that jumped out to me, Scheyer's comments re: (i) Flagg and (ii) Proctor:

“Flagg's parents... have encouraged Scheyer and the Duke staff to coach up their son as aggressively as possible. No fluff, no kid gloves. For the family, there is no assumption that Flagg is being promised anything into next week, let alone next June. "They believe in their son, don't get me wrong, but they also know he's got a lot to work on and they wanted him to be in an environment where he'd be pushed, to be coached, to be challenged, to be told no," Scheyer told CBS Sports. "When you're a 17-year-old kid like Cooper and you have the world at your fingertips, you're not told no a lot. And so to be in an environment where you can be told no is key."

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“It's not as buzzy of a talking point, but in watching Duke's team dynamic in practice, [Tyrese] Proctor's play is probably going to be the barometer for Duke's consistency. "He's a key guy, no question," Scheyer said. "And his progression is just doing it all the time. You know, he's shown flashes of doing it. Now it's time, as a junior, where the competitive spirit that he knows that he needs to take on every play, every play within the play."

Scheyer told me he threw Proctor "into the deep end" as a freshman. It's altered his path, but perhaps ultimately for the better. To his credit, he didn't opt to transfer and didn't look for an easier way out after a bumpy sophomore year. As the oldest continuous contributor on Duke's roster, Duke's staff believes Proctor's play is as crucial as anyone else, if not moreso. Scheyer said simplifying the game should be the key to Proctor's ascendence in his third season. He wants him to hunt his shot and be dialed in all the way on his man-to-man lockdown defense. Set a tone for the team in how he competes. "Instead of trying to be good at 10 different things, let's be killer in these three areas, and be that way all the time. And I think we'll see a big, big jump with him," Scheyer said. "We'll have a great year if he does those things."
I've been a little down on the team relative to the Duke fan message board community because of the guards. I don't think they will be bad. It's the consistency thing that concerns me. Is Duke going to get similar contributions from Proctor and Foster most nights? Everyone has an off night or a bad matchup. But Duke isn't going to be elite if the team goes a couple weeks between good performances from one of those two guards.
 
I've been a little down on the team relative to the Duke fan message board community because of the guards. I don't think they will be bad. It's the consistency thing that concerns me. Is Duke going to get similar contributions from Proctor and Foster most nights? Everyone has an off night or a bad matchup. But Duke isn't going to be elite if the team goes a couple weeks between good performances from one of those two guards.
What constitutes a good performance? I expect Caleb and Tyrese to be very good for Duke this season. Can they be great? That's TBD, but I think both players have it in them. Also, it's difficult for any team to be elite when one of its starters is underperforming for weeks. Duke should have the depth to weather that.

Defense and rotations are more of a concern for me. I was thrilled to hear Scheyer say not to read too much into the starting lineup for Lincoln. I thought that lineup was hot garbage for a starting lineup.
 
I've been a little down on the team relative to the Duke fan message board community because of the guards. I don't think they will be bad. It's the consistency thing that concerns me. Is Duke going to get similar contributions from Proctor and Foster most nights? Everyone has an off night or a bad matchup. But Duke isn't going to be elite if the team goes a couple weeks between good performances from one of those two guards.
I think that would be true in usual years, but I'm not sure it's true this year.

Let's look at this stat line:
22 points (8-16, 2-5 from three)
6 assists
2 rebounds

If you didn't already know who it was, what position would you think they played?

Scheyer has already said that Cooper's a guard. I'm starting to take him seriously.

I think a team with Flagg at one guard position, and either one of Foster or Proctor playing at a high level at the other, can be elite.
 
I think that would be true in usual years, but I'm not sure it's true this year.

Let's look at this stat line:
22 points (8-16, 2-5 from three)
6 assists
2 rebounds

If you didn't already know who it was, what position would you think they played?

Scheyer has already said that Cooper's a guard. I'm starting to take him seriously.

I think a team with Flagg at one guard position, and either one of Foster or Proctor playing at a high level at the other, can be elite.
I'm not down on our guards at all because I think Proctor/Foster/James will be the top defensive backcourt in the ACC - and one of the best defensive backcourts in the country. Defense travels.

And one of the things Proctor has consistently excelled at is his assist to turnover ratio. We've got so many offensive weapons on this team - headlined by Cooper and Kon - that we don't need a big scoring night from Proctor or Foster every night. We just need Proctor not to shoot us out of any big games going 0-6 or 0-8 from 3. I don't think he will do that this year.

And I believe we haven't seen the ceiling yet on Proctor or Foster. Both were hurt last season. I'm expecting big things.
 
I think that would be true in usual years, but I'm not sure it's true this year.

Let's look at this stat line:
22 points (8-16, 2-5 from three)
6 assists
2 rebounds

If you didn't already know who it was, what position would you think they played?

Scheyer has already said that Cooper's a guard. I'm starting to take him seriously.

I think a team with Flagg at one guard position, and either one of Foster or Proctor playing at a high level at the other, can be elite.
More broadly, we’ve got three guys you could call wings (Cooper, Sion, and Kon) who are capable of bringing up the ball and initiating offense. So this team has less need for a traditional point guard than others, and really has at least five guys capable of playing guard or at least a guard-like role. Even still, I think Proctor and Foster will be at least adequate when playing that role.
 
ESPN did a top 100 players for 2024-25 ranking. The Dukies:

97. Kon Kneuppel
81. Khaman Maluach
66. Tyrese Proctor
1. Cooper Flagg

ACC and others of note:

91. Nigel Pack (Miami)
88. Drake Powell (Heels)
86. Jalil Bethea (Miami)
84. Jaland Lowe (Pitt)
80. Maxime Raynaud (Stanford)
77. Elliot Cadeau (Heels)
73. Baye Ndongo (GT)
72. Ian Schieffelin (Clemson)
71. Jamir Watkins (FSU)
65. Terrence Edwards Jr. (Louisville)
40. Markus Burton (ND)
38. Jeremy Roach (Baylor)
13. Hunter Sallis (Wake)
6. Caleb Love (Arizona)
2. RJ Davis (Heels)

The article notes a vigorous debate between Cooper and Davis for the #1 spot.
 
More broadly, we’ve got three guys you could call wings (Cooper, Sion, and Kon) who are capable of bringing up the ball and initiating offense. So this team has less need for a traditional point guard than others, and really has at least five guys capable of playing guard or at least a guard-like role. Even still, I think Proctor and Foster will be at least adequate when playing that role.
Absolutely the case on offense and for the most part on defense. I do worry a bit about how well we'll defend a very quick and twitchy waterbug-type PG (not like they grow on trees) and, to a lesser extent, a high effort wide-body post player (think Norchad Omier). But not that much tbh.
 
Absolutely the case on offense and for the most part on defense. I do worry a bit about how well we'll defend a very quick and twitchy waterbug-type PG (not like they grow on trees) and, to a lesser extent, a high effort wide-body post player (think Norchad Omier). But not that much tbh.
There's always got to be something to worry about, this is DBR
 
Absolutely the case on offense and for the most part on defense. I do worry a bit about how well we'll defend a very quick and twitchy waterbug-type PG (not like they grow on trees) and, to a lesser extent, a high effort wide-body post player (think Norchad Omier). But not that much tbh.
I think Proctor/James can defend any guard in the country, although I do think a team with 3-4 quick guards on the floor together like UNC will present a challenge.

I think Maluach/Brown should be able to mostly neutralize any post player in the country. I was very happy to see Maluach with only 1 foul last night. The Hunter Dickinson matchup will be interesting.
 
I think Proctor/James can defend any guard in the country, although I do think a team with 3-4 quick guards on the floor together like UNC will present a challenge.

I think Maluach/Brown should be able to mostly neutralize any post player in the country. I was very happy to see Maluach with only 1 foul last night. The Hunter Dickinson matchup will be interesting.
IMO, the team with 4 guards against this Duke team better score on every possession. If they don't they will be down 15 at the 10 minute mark.
 
Didn't know where to post this, but Duke is now (were we always?) listed as the favorite to win the NCAAT at +950. Per FanDuel.

Top 10:

Duke +950
Houston +1000
Kansas +1000
UConn +1100
Alabama +1400
Iowa State +1600
Auburn +2000
Gonzaga +2000
Arizona +2500
UNC +2500

- Chillin
 
Didn't know where to post this, but Duke is now (were we always?) listed as the favorite to win the NCAAT at +950. Per FanDuel.

Top 10:

Duke +950
Houston +1000
Kansas +1000
UConn +1100
Alabama +1400
Iowa State +1600
Auburn +2000
Gonzaga +2000
Arizona +2500
UNC +2500

- Chillin
Duke was +1300 when I looked a few weeks ago and the 4th or 5th most popular pick. I'm not surprised that the two 50+ point blow out exhibition wins have sent the odds tumbling a bit.
 
ESPN did a top 100 players for 2024-25 ranking. The Dukies:

97. Kon Kneuppel
81. Khaman Maluach
66. Tyrese Proctor
1. Cooper Flagg

ACC and others of note:

91. Nigel Pack (Miami)
88. Drake Powell (Heels)
86. Jalil Bethea (Miami)
84. Jaland Lowe (Pitt)
80. Maxime Raynaud (Stanford)
77. Elliot Cadeau (Heels)
73. Baye Ndongo (GT)
72. Ian Schieffelin (Clemson)
71. Jamir Watkins (FSU)
65. Terrence Edwards Jr. (Louisville)
40. Markus Burton (ND)
38. Jeremy Roach (Baylor)
13. Hunter Sallis (Wake)
6. Caleb Love (Arizona)
2. RJ Davis (Heels)

The article notes a vigorous debate between Cooper and Davis for the #1 spot.
I hope that debate becomes null and void based on the teams' success and huge chasm between the accomplishments of the young men.
 
With substantially all of the conferences having now announced their tv schedules, went through and flagged what look like the Top 10 days of the regular season to plant yourself in front of the tv/fire up the DVR:

Friday Nov. 22
2:30 Pitt-LSU (CBSs)
5:00 UCF-Wisconsin (CBSs), Princeton-Bradley (ESPNU), Seton Hall/VCU winner -Vandy/Nevada winner (ESPN2)
7:00 Likely Virginia-St. John’s (CBSs), Syracuse-St. Joe’s (ESPNU)
8:00 Iowa-Utah St. (BTN), Creighton-Nebraska (Fox1)
8:30 SMU-Miss. St. (ACCN+)
9:30 Likely Tennessee-Baylor (CBSs), Texas-Texas Tech (ESPNU)
10:30 Arizona-Duke (ESPN2)

Tues. Nov. 26
2:00 Creighton-San Diego St. (TBS)
3:30 Memphis-Colorado (ESPN2)
4:30 Texas A&M-Oregon (TBS)
6:00 U.Conn-Mich. St. (ESPN)
8:00 Alabama-Houston (TBS)
8:30 Dayton-Auburn or Iowa St. (ESPNU)
9:00 Duke-Kansas (ESPN)
10:30 Rutgers-Notre Dame (TBS)
11:00 North Carolina-Auburn or Iowa St. (ESPN)
11:30 Stanford-Grand Canyon (Tru)


Wed. Dec. 3
6:30 Villanova-Cincy (Fox1)
7:00 Tennessee-Syracuse (ESPN2), Georgia-Notre Dame (ESPNU), Iowa-Northwestern (Peacock)
7:30 Miami-Arkansas (ESPN)
8:30 Providence-BYU (Fox1)
9:00 Texas A&M-Wake (ESPN2), Louisville-Ole Miss (ACC), Wisc.-Michigan (Peacock)
9:30 Clemson-Kentucky (ESPN)
10:30 UCLA-Washington (Fox1)

Thurs. Dec. 4
6:30 U.Conn-Baylor (Fox), Maryland-Ohio St. (BTN)
7:15 North Carolina-Alabama (ESPN), Florida-Viriginia (ESPN2)
8:00 Iowa St.-Marquette (ESPN+)
8:30 Creighton-Kansas (Fox)
9:15 Duke-Auburn (ESPN), N.C. St.-Texas (ESPN2), Miss. St.-Pitt (SEC)
10:30 USC-Oregon (BTN)


Sat. Dec. 14
11:00 Clemson-Memphis (ESPN2)
Noon Purdue-Texas A&M (CBS)
1:00 Auburn-Ohio St. (ESPN2)
2:00 Cincy-Xavier (ESPN+)
2:30 Wisconsin-Butler (BTN)
3:00 UCLA-Arizona (ESPN2); Kansas-NC St. (ESPN), Rutgers-Seton Hall (Fox)
3:30 Florida-Ariz St. (SEC)
5:30 Kentucky-Louisville (ESPN), Illinois-Tennessee (Fox)
6:00 Georgia-Grand Canyon (SEC), Miss. St-McNeese St. (ESPNU)
7:00 Marquette-Dayton (CBSs)
8:00 U.Conn-Gonzaga (Fox); Alabama-Creighton (SEC)

Sat. Feb. 1
Noon Tennessee-Florida (ESPN), Wake-Pitt (ESPN2), St. John’s-Providence (CBSs)
1:00 Villanova-Creighton (Fox), Arizona St.-Arizona (CBS)
1:30 NC St.-Clemson (CW)
2:00 Iowa St-Kansas St. (ESPN), Northwestern-Wisconsin (Fox1)
3:30 Rutgers-Michigan (Fox)
4:00 Baylor-Kansas (ESPN), Miss-Auburn (ESPN2), U.Va.-Va Tech (ACC)
4:30 USC-Michigan St. (Peacock)
6:00 Houston-Texas Tech (ESPN2), LSU-Texas (SEC)
6:30 Duke-North Carolina (ESPN)
8:00 Marquette-U.Conn (Fox), Miami-Notre Dame (ESPN2), Grand Canyon-Utah Valley (ESPN+)
9:00 Kentucky-Arkansas (ESPN)
11:00 St. Mary’s-Gonzaga (ESPN)


Sat. Feb. 8
Noon Michigan St.-Oregon (Fox), Kentucky-S. Carolina (ESPN)
1:00 Indiana-Michigan (CBS), Iowa-Wisconsin (NBC), Iowa St.-TCU (ESPN+)
2:00 Kansas St.-Kansas (ESPN), Creighton-Marquette (Fox), Louisville-Miami (ESPN2), Baylor-UCF (ESPN+)
4:00 North Carolina-Pitt (ESPN), Auburn-Florida (ESPN2)
5:00 Clemson-Duke (ESPN), Cincy-BYU (ESPN2), Duquesne-Loyola (CBSs)
8:00 Arkansas-Alabama (ESPN), MVC (CBSs)
10:00 Arizona-Tex. Tech (ESPN), Oregon St-St Mary’s (ESPN2), Colo. St-SDSU (CBSs), UC Irvine-UCSD or UC Santa Barbara-Hawaii (ESPNU)
10:30 Washington-Northwestern (BTN)

Sat. Feb. 15
Noon Texas A&M-Arkansas (ESPN), Pitt-Miami (ESPN2)
1:00 Purdue-Wisconsin (CBS)
2:00 Arizona-Houston (ESPN), Va Tech-Virginia (CW)
2:30 Seton Hall-U.Conn (Fox)
3:00 UTA-Grand Canyon (ESPN+)
4:00 Alabama-Auburn (ESPN), Duke-Stanford (ABC), Iowa St.-Cinn (ESPN2)
6:00 Syracuse-N. Carolina (ESPN), Ole Miss-Miss St. (ESPN2), SMU-Wake (ACC), Providence-Villanova (CBSs), BYU-Kansas St. (ESPN+)
8:00 Texas-Kentucky (ESPN), Illinois-Mich St. (Fox), Yale-Princeton (ESPN+)
10:00 Utah-Kansas (ESPN), San Diego St-Boise (CBSs), St Mary’s-Wash. St. (ESPN2)


Sat. Feb. 22
Noon Texas A&M-Tennessee (ESPN), Wisconsin-Oregon (Fox), Cincy-TCU (ESPN2), Drexel-Charleston (CBSs)
1:00 Kansas-Oklahoma St. (CBS)
2:00 Houston-Iowa St. (Fox), NC St.-Wake (ESPN2)
2:15 Notre Dame-Pitt (CW)
4:00 N. Carolina-Virginia (ESPN), SMU-Clemson (ACC), VCU-George Mason (CBSs)
6:00 Alabama-Kentucky (ESPN), Nevada-Boise St. (Fox1), Wash St-Santa Clara (CBSs)
8:00 Duke-Illinois (Fox), Arizona-BYU (ESPN), Utah St.-San Diego St. (CBSs)
10:00 Gonzaga-St. Mary’s (ESPN), UNLV-Colo St. (CBSs)

Sat. March 8
Noon Marquette-St. John’s (Fox), Mizzou-Kentucky (ESPN), Arkansas-Miss St. (SEC)
1:30 Kansas St.-Iowa St. (CBS)
2:00 Auburn-Alabama (ESPN), Miami-NC St. (CW), Princeton-Penn (ESPN+)
2:30 U.Conn-Seton Hall (Fox)
3:00 Maryland-Northwestern (Peacock)
3:30 Indiana-Ohio St. (CBS), MVC semi #1 (CBSs)
4:00 Kansas-Arizona (ESPN), LSU-Texas A&M (SEC), Abilene Christian-Grand Canyon (ESPN+)
6:00 MVC semi #2 (CBSs), Florida-Ole Miss (SEC)
6:30 North Carolina-Duke (ESPN)
8:00 UCLA-USC (Fox), Syracuse-Virginia (ACC)
9:00 Baylor-Houston (ESPN2)
10:30 BYU-Utah (ESPN), Ariz. St.-Texas Tech (ESPN2)
 
It will be a nice relaxing recovery game from the Duke-Cheaters game on 2/1 to then sit back and watch Arkansas/Kentucky with absolutely no dog in the race.
 
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