2024-2025 Another Duke MBB Preseason Discussion (I Give Up)

I was waiting to see if someone mentioned Sion starting. One of the most telling moments to me from the video was the conversation Scheyer had with Sion. Jon LOVES his defense and hustle. Adding to the comment earlier about not wanting to diss the transfers, I think Jon starts the season with at least Sion to set the defensive tone. However, eventually the two returnees plus Cooper, Kon and Man Man becomes the normal starters.
K2 is certainly generating a lot of hype. Jon seems to want for defense to set the tone for this team. From this perspective, it seems logical to me that Sion would start, maybe even for more than just the start of the season, especially given K2's (presumed) defensive limitations compared to SJ. Seems to me that K2 would be a natural "microwave" 6th man, perhaps not too dissimilarly to the way Coach K used Jon Scheyer early in his So. year (?), even though he was clearly one of the best 5 players on the team.
 
K2 is certainly generating a lot of hype. Jon seems to want for defense to set the tone for this team. From this perspective, it seems logical to me that Sion would start, maybe even for more than just the start of the season, especially given K2's (presumed) defensive limitations compared to SJ. Seems to me that K2 would be a natural "microwave" 6th man, perhaps not too dissimilarly to the way Coach K used Jon Scheyer early in his So. year (?), even though he was clearly one of the best 5 players on the team.
I also think that the defensive ability and strength of guys like Sion and Mason Gillis can help compensate for what is otherwise a thin front court rotation. If we're in situations where we're forced to have Cooper as the face-up 5, then having some physical and experienced guards/forwards like those two could be a must.
 
Do we think there’s any chance a potentially very good prospect like Cooper Flagg get lost amidst the insane built up hype and anticipation around Three the Knueppel?
 
Do we think there’s any chance a potentially very good prospect like Cooper Flagg get lost amidst the insane built up hype and anticipation around Three the Knueppel?
Cooper is the most hyped guy to enter college basketball since at least Zion. So no. But Givony did seem to be purposefully making the point that Kon was more dominant than Cooper in those three scrimmages.

Im sure Pippen outshined Jordan in a few practices... 🙂
 
Cooper is the most hyped guy to enter college basketball since at least Zion. So no. But Givony did seem to be purposefully making the point that Kon was more dominant than Cooper in those three scrimmages.

Im sure Pippen outshined Jordan in a few practices... 🙂
i’d verbally reply but my tongue is still firmly implanted in my cheek.
 
We have existing threads for what Duke is up to, but this is a thread for every other men's college basketball team, from now until opening night in early November.

Time to get this thread back on track. Here is a list of this week's preseason charity exhibition games, starting today with Connecticut facing Rhode Island.


10/14 Connecticut vs Rhode Island in Mohegan Sun (Coaches vs. Cancer) -- 6pm ET, NBC Sports Boston

10/15 Memphis hosts UNC (St. Jude Children's Research Hospital) -- 7pm ET, ESPNU

10/15 USC hosts UTSA (charity?) -- 10pm ET, B1G+

10/17 Rutgers hosts St. John's (V Foundation) -- 6:30pm ET, BTN

10/18 Alabama vs Wake Forest in Birmingham (Children's Hospital of Alabama) -- 7pm ET, broadcast/stream?

10/18 Cincinnati hosts Ohio State (Jay's Light) -- 7pm ET, 700 WLW radio

10/18 Utah State hosts Weber State (CAPSA) -- 9pm ET, Mountain West Network

10/19 Howard hosts William & Mary (The Team) -- 11am ET, broadcast/stream?

10/19 Charlotte hosts Georgia (Jamil Niner Student Pantry) -- 12pm ET, broadcast/stream?

10/20 UCF hosts Florida Gulf Coast (charity?) -- 4pm ET, broadcast/stream?

10/20 Dayton hosts Xavier (Jay's Light/Ohio Suicide Prevention Foundation) -- 5pm ET, Bally Sports Ohio

10/20 Michigan vs Oakland in Detroit (Forgotten Harvest) -- 5pm ET, B1G+

I'll update the list with more information when I can.
 
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Time to get this thread back on track. Here is a list of this week's preseason charity exhibition games, starting today with Connecticut facing Rhode Island.


10/14 Connecticut vs Rhode Island in Mohegan Sun (Coaches vs. Cancer) -- 6pm ET, NBC Sports Boston

10/15 Memphis hosts UNC (St. Jude Children's Research Hospital) -- 7pm ET, ESPNU

10/15 USC hosts UTSA (charity?) -- 10pm ET, B1G+

10/17 Rutgers hosts St. John's (V Foundation) -- 6:30pm ET, BTN

10/18 Alabama vs Wake Forest in Birmingham (Children's Hospital of Alabama) -- 7pm ET, broadcast/stream?

10/18 Cincinnati hosts Ohio State (Jay's Light) -- 7pm ET, 700 WLW radio

10/19 Howard hosts William & Mary (The Team) -- 11am ET, broadcast/stream?

10/19 Charlotte hosts Georgia (Jamil Niner Student Pantry) -- 12pm ET, broadcast/stream?

10/20 UCF hosts Florida Gulf Coast (charity?) -- 4pm ET, broadcast/stream?

10/20 Dayton hosts Xavier (Jay's Light/Ohio Suicide Prevention Foundation) -- 5pm ET, Bally Sports Ohio

10/20 Michigan vs Oakland in Detroit (Forgotten Harvest) -- 5pm ET, B1G+

I'll update the list with more information when I can.
Kansas is at Arkansas on 10/25. 9pm ET, SEC Network.
 
I was waiting to see if someone mentioned Sion starting. One of the most telling moments to me from the video was the conversation Scheyer had with Sion. Jon LOVES his defense and hustle. Adding to the comment earlier about not wanting to diss the transfers, I think Jon starts the season with at least Sion to set the defensive tone. However, eventually the two returnees plus Cooper, Kon and Man Man becomes the normal starters.
I did, back on August 8. It’s not likely, though, given Kon’s continued emergence and our likely need for 3pt shooting (although Sion can apparently hit from outside, too). Also, the increased expectation that Coop plays guard reduces the probability of Sion starting.

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/index.php?threads/2024-2025-men’s-basketball-season-general-offseason-discussion.50591/post-1750084
 
I did, back on August 8. It’s not likely, though, given Kon’s continued emergence and our likely need for 3pt shooting (although Sion can apparently hit from outside, too). Also, the increased expectation that Coop plays guard reduces the probability of Sion starting.

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/index.php?threads/2024-2025-men’s-basketball-season-general-offseason-discussion.50591/post-1750084
Our starters are Proctor/Foster/Kon/Cooper/Khaman.

Brown will likely be the first guy in off the bench for Khaman.

Sion will likely be the second guy off the bench spelling either Proctor or Foster.

Who will sub in for Kon and Cooper when they sit? Will it always be Mason?

Or will Sion sub in for Kon and play alongside Proctor and Foster?

Will Brown ever sub in for Cooper and play alongside Khaman - or will he strictly share minutes at the 5 with Khaman?
 
I did, back on August 8. It’s not likely, though, given Kon’s continued emergence and our likely need for 3pt shooting (although Sion can apparently hit from outside, too). Also, the increased expectation that Coop plays guard reduces the probability of Sion starting.

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/index.php?threads/2024-2025-men’s-basketball-season-general-offseason-discussion.50591/post-1750084
Sion can hit from outside, but he needs space and time to shoot his threes. He's not going to be a big three point threat.
 
Sion can hit from outside, but he needs space and time to shoot his threes. He's not going to be a big three point threat.

But if he is 3 pt. option 3 or 4 on the floor, he may get enough space and time to do so, as defenders may sit off him a bit. Just one or two makes a game would open other aspects of his offense nicely, I suspect, as well as further limit help-defense options for our opponents.
 
But if he is 3 pt. option 3 or 4 on the floor, he may get enough space and time to do so, as defenders may sit off him a bit. Just one or two makes a game would open other aspects of his offense nicely, I suspect, as well as further limit help-defense options for our opponents.
Yes, he should get 2-3 open looks a game, especially if we push it in the open court. Those open 3s on the secondary break are some of the best shots in basketball.
 
Some thoughts on UNC this year, here is a link to their scrimmage from the other night:

RJ Davis is still hard to stop on offense but a liability on defense, due to his size and athleticism. RJ took a hard fall in the scrimmage, they say he will be okay but he has a back contusion. He might miss their exhibition with Memphis.

Elliot Cadau looks about the same as last year. Elliot will rack up the assists and hit some shots. He has an effective tear drop and is crafty around the rim but is undersized to be really effective there. On defense is a liability due to his size. He hit a 3 in the scrimmage and a couple of plays later, badly airballed a 15-footer.

Ian Jackson - excellent athleticism and speed. He shot 28% from 3 last year in OTE (43-158 attempts). It is hard to think that he will shoot as well or better from 3 going up a level of competition. He strikes me as a guy who is a volume shooter and likes to pound the ball and probe the defense. Ian meet RJ "that is what I do" Davis. Ian might be the second or third highest scorer for UNC but I think that will be on inefficient numbers. TO's will also be something to keep an eye on for Ian. Ian has mentioned that college ball has been an adjustment on how he thinks about the game. Ian has the physical attributes to be an effective defender but like most freshman will struggle with consistency on the defensive side. In the scrimmage, Ian had a play where he wowed the crowd by spinning and blowing by defenders only to miss the layup by hitting the underside of the rim.

IC is really high on Seth Trimble, some are saying he might start in front of Ian. He led the team in the scrimmage with pretty efficient scoring. Another guy who likes to pound the ball and probe the defense. Seth meet Ian and RJ. Excellent athleticism and good speed. Looks like he has improved his offense. In the scrimmage you can see that he is often fading in different directions on his outside shots and doesn't have a good base (see Kon and Darren). Elite defender. He can backup RJ, Elliot, and Ian.

Drake Powell has good length and excellent athleticism. Good shooter (62/42/80 shooting splits in SR HS). Excellent defender, will shut down his man. I think he has to be in the lineup but where? He is a little light for the 4 and I think there is a logjam at the 3. Has mentioned that he is trying to improve as a rebounder, which UNC really needs. Not sure he is currently built to bang in the lane.

Cade Tyson (6-7, 200 lbs) - another player where I'm not sure about his fit on the roster. A really good 3-pt shooter. UNC is hoping for Brady Manek 2.0. Has below average athleticism and speed. Looks like a liability (TJ Powers) on defense. I'm guessing he either starts at the four or backs it up. I think they need his shooting but don't need another liability on defense (Davis, Cadeau). They also need rebounding which is not something that Tyson really brings to the table. He had Powell guarding him in the scrimmage and struggled getting his outside shot off. Badly airballed a 3 at one point.

Jaelyn Withers has good size and athletism but just hasn't figured how to put it all togehter. IC is hopeful this is the year but I don't see it. A good tranistion player but struggles with decision making and consistency in half court sets on offense and defense. I think UNC is hoping that he could maybe the guy for the 4 or 5 (desperation). He looks more like a backup for the 4 and maybe the 5 for UNC. A step down as a backup though, unlike Trimble who I think can maintain consistency as a backup at the guard spot.

Jalen Washington - they really need him to be productive at the 5 and i think there are some concerns as to whether he is the guy. In the scrimmage he just didn't stand out at all. Jalen is a good shooter for a big but I don't see him getting the ball much for that role. I don't think he is a great rebounder as he doesn't do well with contact or height around him. He just doesn't seem to move well to me. I know he had significant injuries in the past but he either doesn't seem fully over them or is not as confident after the fact.

Ven-Allen Lubin - one of UNC's other options for the 5. Undersized at 6-8 (230) with height and just average athletically, I don't think he is an ideal option at the 5 for a team that has aspirations for a late march run. A decent rebounder for his size. He will struggle getting off shots and defending against height. Did hit a 3 in their scrimmage though.

I'm not sure what to make of UNC. Pundits seem to have them higher than where I see them. I tend to consistently underesell UNC, maybe just hoping that they will suck more than they do. While I think they have some interesting pieces, they seem to have a higher ceiling than floor though - If the freshman are lottery type picks in the NBA draft.

My starting 5 for them right now:

Elliot Cadaeu
RJ Davis
Ian Jackson
Drake Powell
Ven-Allen Lubin

I'm not as sold on Elliot as others. Beautiful passes and will have a lot of asissts but that shot can break anytime and defensively he will be targeted like RJ. Together they make an undersized backcourt. I feel like Scheyer made a concerted effort to get away from smaller guards and that should be an interesting story line for the Duke-UNC games this year.

Obviously RJ at the 2 is great but he does have some defensive concerns.

I think Ian gets the nod at the three, even if maybe Seth looks better right now because of the optics. A top ten recruit and UNC's history of hiding guys. I think Ian is good now with the potential to be really good but will struggle with decision making and consistency this year. i think he was able to rely on his excellent athletiscm in HS and will find college to be a little more constricted and cerebreal.

I'm leaning on Drake at the 4. If not at the start of the season than after a few games. I really like Drake and he is the one UNC guy that I would take on the Duke team without reservations. Somewhat concerned with him playing the 4 inside on defense and his ability to rebound in traffic. Ideally he should be at the 3 but they need some production in the frontcourt.

The 5 will probably be by committe as i don't know that anyone on the roster is capable of locking it down. I guess Ven-allen would get the nod as i think he prvides more rebounding and consistancy than the others. But he will struggle against other 5's with a pulse.

I don't think the backcourt of UNC is as great as everyone is saying. And their frontcourt is as concerning as everyone is saying. The froncourt has the potential to get worked on both ends.

Hubert is really pushing them to run this year and I think that is because if they have to operate in the half-court, there will be a lot of issues for a supposed top 10 team.

I think UNC is the type of team that will out talent teams outside of the top 25 but struggle with teams inside the top 25 and lose to anyone near the top 10.
 
I think UNC is the type of team that will out talent teams outside of the top 25 but struggle with teams inside the top 25 and lose to anyone near the top 10.

Interesting. That's exactly how they were in 2023-2024. You've just described something I've been stewing on during the offseason.

Last year I noticed that Duke had a glaring weakness and UNC had a different (perhaps opposite) glaring weakness, and having to face that weakness is exactly how each team ended its season in the NCAA Tournament. I meant to write about this back in April, but I was still in a bad mood, and so was everyone else.

Duke's weakness last season was rematches. Here's what I started writing back then, but never posted:

A recurring theme of this season, and one that helped end it ultimately, was the team's inability to defeat the teams that knew them best. Obviously, every ACC team has some familiarity with Duke, but I'm talking specifically about rematches, or games in which Duke is playing an opponent they played earlier in the season. In 2022-2023, Duke was 8-1 in rematches, but this season they were 3-5: wins against Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, and Louisville, and losses to Pittsburgh, Wake Forest, UNC, and NC State twice.

The opponents for the wins and losses seem meaningful here. GT, ND, and Lou were in the bottom tier, joining Miami as the worst 4 teams in the conference. (I haven't forgotten that GT beat Duke in their first matchup, but that game is unusual for the early Tyrese Proctor injury, and I'm not focusing on any Games 1.) Meanwhile, UNC was in the top tier, while Pitt, Wake, and NCSU were somewhere in the middle and occasionally capable of good things. This suggests that Duke's talent can overcome an opponent's knowledge of them, but only to a limited extent. Duke lost 5 rematches in part because those 4 teams had figured us out and were good enough to do something about it. I would posit that other ACC teams (certainly Clemson) might have beaten Duke in a rematch if given the opportunity.


I would add now that Duke makes the Final Four had they faced 2-seed Marquette instead of 10-seed NC State, and I would have liked their chances in the semifinal against Purdue.

UNC looked dominant last season in the ACC because they were pretty good against teams they knew well, and while they did lose their 2nd game to Clemson and their 3rd game to NC State, rematches didn't faze them. But they were also 3-3 against nonconference opponents at neutral sites in the regular season -- they lost to eventual NIT team Villanova, then Connecticut and Kentucky -- which suggested that they may not do so well in the NCAA Tournament once they had to face a really good opponent like, say, Alabama.

If, for some reason, Bryce Drew had pulled a Valpo-like miracle and gotten Grand Canyon to beat Alabama in the second round, I think UNC makes the Final Four by beating them in the Sweet 16 and beating Clemson in the Elite 8. I don't know if the Heels would have beaten Connecticut in a rematch -- the Huskies were playing at another level -- but I'm really glad that game never happened.
 
10/14 Connecticut vs Rhode Island in Mohegan Sun (Coaches vs. Cancer) -- 6pm ET, NBC Sports Boston

I don't get NBC Sports Boston (and don't subscribe to UCONN+ streaming), so I didn't see the game, but here's what I have.

Connecticut 102, Rhode Island 75 (recap, box score, highlights, postgame)

Solo Ball (Leesburg, Va.) led the Huskies with 18 points, going 7-of-10 from the field and 3-of-6 from distance along with five rebounds. Aidan Mahaney (Lafayette, Calif.) added 17 points in his first UConn appearance off the bench and Alex Karaban (Southborough, Mass.) chipped in 13 points, eight rebounds and four assists.

Also in double-figures for Connecticut was five-star freshman Liam McNeeley (Richardson, Texas) who scored 10 points and grabbed four rebounds in his first UConn action. Hassan Diarra (Queens, N.Y.) added a game-high nine assists while Tarris Reed Jr. (St. Louis, Mo.) posted eight points and a team-high 10 rebounds.


 
I don't get NBC Sports Boston (and don't subscribe to UCONN+ streaming), so I didn't see the game, but here's what I have.

Connecticut 102, Rhode Island 75 (recap, box score, highlights, postgame)

Solo Ball (Leesburg, Va.) led the Huskies with 18 points, going 7-of-10 from the field and 3-of-6 from distance along with five rebounds. Aidan Mahaney (Lafayette, Calif.) added 17 points in his first UConn appearance off the bench and Alex Karaban (Southborough, Mass.) chipped in 13 points, eight rebounds and four assists.

Also in double-figures for Connecticut was five-star freshman Liam McNeeley (Richardson, Texas) who scored 10 points and grabbed four rebounds in his first UConn action. Hassan Diarra (Queens, N.Y.) added a game-high nine assists while Tarris Reed Jr. (St. Louis, Mo.) posted eight points and a team-high 10 rebounds.


poor defense from uconn in the first, they made some adjustments. played 10 guys ~20 minutes. lots of shooters/depth, but mahaney needs to work on his defense. samson johnson is a big downgrade, maybe made some improvements, but 1 board and 4pf in his line. Season will rise and fall on their ability to platoon around their weakness at center IMO. Diarra with 9 assists to 2 TO stepping in quite well where neweton left off. Ball (and stewart and ross) all look like starters.

it's just URI though.
 
Yes, he should get 2-3 open looks a game, especially if we push it in the open court. Those open 3s on the secondary break are some of the best shots in basketball.
Sion James hit .381 on his threes last year...but that was his best performance in college by nearly 50 points. I'm curious to see if that improvement is truly real, or if we'll see a regression to the mean. Suffice it to say that I am a little skeptical of Sion's outside shooting prowess. Having said that, I'm sure the coaches have a much clearer view than I do.
 
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