I am racing to post this before someone else does. Tulane ahead by 31 points at halftime, 56-27, WITH NO SHOT CLOCK. Duke wins 74-72. It appears to be the the third place game at Reynolds Coliseum in the old Dixie Classic, December 30, 1951. Dick Groat had 32 points in the comeback win. Tulane scored only 16 points in the second half, after putting up 56 in the first. It was the third game in three days for both teams. If Tulane was gassed, the Wave could have won by just holding the ball. I guess that wasn't the ethos of 1950 basketball.
Sage Grouse
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'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013
Sage Grouse
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'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013
"The Basketball Tournament" is currently being shown on ESPNU. The Elam Ending is again being used this year but instead of the target score being set at the leading team's score+7 it is being set at the leading score+8. I really am starting to like the concept of the Elam Ending and I imagine that its use will continue to find support on other basketball stages.
https://www.inquirer.com/sports/elam...-20190801.html
I still think there is a simpler and better answer, one which is truer to the history and spirit of the game.
Whenever a player is fouled and it is a shooting foul (other than an "and one"), play continues as always unless the fouled team's coach immediately asks for the ball instead of free throws. In that case, the fouled team gets to inbound the ball from the point out of bounds nearest the spot where the foul occurred. That way, the fouling team can't foul and gain an advantage. Unless I'm missing something, this seems like a simple and workable fix.
Given the existence of the shot clock, a "clock killing offense" should be of minimal concern.
It seems to me that "would never work" is more than a little strong. I don't see a significant advantage for a team defending an OOB play versus one defending open play. When you add player disqualifications with a constant fouling "strategy," I wouldn't expect it to be tried all that often. It should be at least worth some testing.
I've only watched basketball during the shot clock era. The "prevent offense" that's run by teams in order to kill the clock while protecting a lead is one of my least favorite aspects of the game. While the presence of a shot clock might diminish the need for concern regarding end of game offensive stagnation, it is still a significant drawback for many casual viewers and diehard fans.
I doubt they'll field a team but perhops they'll field a Jai Alai club...
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I expect that old men sworn to protect the sanctity of front yards and walk-ons will be the most vocal critics of further evaluating the expansion of the elam ending.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/co...233387232.html
Last edited by subzero02; 08-04-2019 at 06:06 AM.
Well, the timing of putting in walk-ons would just change. If you're up 20 points with 8 minutes remaining, you put them in until four minutes and then get guys who can score back in. But I agree with Self that it's not gonna happen in college ball, but I do like it from a viewing perspective.
This is an answer in dire need of a question. And think of all the amazing magic memorable endings that the Elam Ending...WOULD HAVE PREVENTED!!!!!
You think the "magic" of hitting that 7th point would come anywhere close to a buzzer beater? Not even close. Think of foul shots as the "4 foot putts" of basketball. A mental and emotional exercise that is part of close contests.
LOL, I'm 66! And I have that very beer in my fridge, which put me in mind of that sport(?). I bought it along with several other IPAs to prepare for National IPA Day, which I'm celebrating all week.
Basketball without a timed ending? Put that one with the X-Games or 3-on-3 Tournament.
Man, if your Mom made you wear that color when you were a baby, and you're still wearing it, it's time to grow up!
As you point out, the Elam Ending eliminates the possibility of “all or nothing” buzzer beaters. With the Elam Ending, the drama wouldn’t have been nearly as great for the Hill-to-Laettner, Austin Rivers, or Gordon Hayward shots. That being said, “all or nothing” buzzer beater opportunities are not all that common. I would guess that about 90% of Duke games end with the winning team uncontestedly dribbling out the clock as the coaches shake hands. The Elam Ending makes sure every game ends with a made basket.
I finally watched a couple Elam Ending games this weekend when I had nothing better to do than watch the TBT semifinals. Both games were close and I didn’t really have a rooting interest. Based on this very limited experience, I would say that the jury is still our for me regarding the Elam Ending. On the positive side, the final minutes of each game flowed a lot better than the usual end game where one team is trying to foul immediately and the other is only trying to run out the clock. On the other hand, the game ending shots just didn’t have the same drama as a true “all or nothing” buzzer beater.
My take is that the Elam Ending probably makes the ending of the average game more interesting to watch, but this is at the expense of the extreme drama of the occasional buzzer beater attempt.
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For those interested, the TBT championship is on ESPN at 9 Eastern tonight. If you don’t want to watch to see how the Elam Ending plays out, you might consider watching just to see how Jeff Gibbs (a 39 year old, 6-2, 250 pound, power forward who played D3 ball) manages be the leading rebounder and top inside presence for a team full of former Big 10 starters.
Anybody watch the championship? That was the only game I watched. Pretty fun with a back and forth affair but actually the ending wasn't as dramatic with the Ohio St alumni taking control and then winning on FTs which isn't as much fun. Regardless, I like the ending personally.
File it under "neat gimmick, but not appropriate for serious levels of competition".
Want to fix the end of games? Fix the endless reviews.