2020 Presidential Election

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Can't really get into their heads or try to come up with a rational basis. BUT I will note that QAnon has been prophesizing (as I understand it) that Trump will remain president and everyone just needs to "trust the plan." If you are deranged enough to believe that the Democrats are really a Satanistic cult of cannibal pedophiles, and that Trump was divinely sent to vanquish, well I guess the *least* crazy thing you might think is that Trump somehow will be the president after Wednesday noon.

"Trust the plan" sounds like classic Trump. "I'll give you all the details later, but believe me, it's a perfect plan."

[OldPhiKap]

"Trust the plan" sounds like classic Trump. "I'll give you all the details later, but believe me, it's a perfect plan."

"We'll show you the proof of the election fraud at the [hearing/rally/trial] next week."

"We'll release our health care plan in two weeks."

"I'll release my tax returns after the (2016) election."

"We'll have a middle class tax cut after the (2018) midterms."

"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."

[PackMan97]

Can someone explain the end game for the folks who invaded the capitol last week or for folks who want to cause violence at Biden's inauguration? Do they think that kidnapping members of congress or even assassinating Biden will put Trump in office after the 20th?

I don't think they are thinking that far ahead. The reality is they will end up with President Pelosi. Stopping Biden does not in any way change the fact that Trump is out January 20th. As is VP Pence. That means that President Pelosi will be the next Commander in Chief.

As someone who considers themselves conservative (in the Reagan sense of what that word used to mean) and someone who would like the constitution interpreted strictly, I am beyond pissed off at these idiots who have been duped into committing an insurrection thinking it will make a hill of beans difference. They've turned the phrase "law and order" into a joke. They gone from wanting to "defend the constitution" to defecating on the constitution. There is going to be an entire generation that equates conservative views with what happened on 1/6/21. All because they listened to the right wing talking heads, conspiracy nuts and our President who wanted to inflame their passions to boost their ratings, line their pocketbooks and stroke their own egos.

I'm going to go vomit now as I contemplate the future.

[bundabergdevil]

"Trust the plan" sounds like classic Trump. "I'll give you all the details later, but believe me, it's a perfect plan."

I don’t know, sounds to me suspiciously close to how they build a basketball team In Philadelphia.

[OldPhiKap]

I don’t know, sounds to me suspiciously close to how they build a basketball team In Philadelphia.

1. Get a franchise.

2. ? ? ?

3. Win!

[bundabergdevil]

1. Get a franchise.

2. ? ? ?

3. Win!

And in between, trust the process. TRUST. IT.

[jv001]

Yea there’s not a strong grasp of civics among these folks. Their endgame is, in fact, a 2nd term for *****. But there is no rational path to that, a fact that is lost on most of them.

BTW Grassley is next after Pelosi in line of succession, as Speaker Pro Tempore of the Senate.

The Sunday after the terrorist attack on The Capitol building, one of our church members told me he wished the rioters would have burned the building down. This guy is normally a great guy, except when it comes to Trump. He thinks he's done no wrong. He's been brainwashed by Rush. Then our pastor brings the Sunday morning message and in his message, he condemns the terrorists. I looked back at the guy who wanted the Capitol to be burned down and he was looking straight at me. I have no idea what was going through his mind. I hope I know him well enough to believe if he had been there on Jan. 6th, he wouldn't have been in our Capitol building.

[dudog84]

Can someone explain the end game for the folks who invaded the capitol last week or for folks who want to cause violence at Biden's inauguration? Do they think that kidnapping members of congress or even assassinating Biden will put Trump in office after the 20th? There is no scenario where the line of succession passes to Trump once we hit the 20th. If they got Biden, it would go to Harris. If they also got Harris, it would go to Pelosi. If they also got Pelosi... I think it would go to the acting secretary of state (Pompeo leaves office on the 20th as well), whoever that is, until the Democrats picked a new President. I guess it might go to McConnell or Schumer (depending on whether the Senate had made Schumer Majority leader by then). But even if it went to McConnell, there is no way he would not preserve the will of the voters by handing the Presidency over to some Democrat (likely Antony Blinken, who is the Sec of State nominee).

Anyway, the bottom line is no amount of violence is going to keep Trump in office. I get protests to show that you are upset, Democrats did the same thing shortly after Trump took office and peaceful marches are part of the fabric of American Democracy, but the violence seems really pointless and counterproductive to me.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

[dudog84]

The Sunday after the terrorist attack on The Capitol building, one of our church members told me he wished the rioters would have burned the building down. This guy is normally a great guy, except when it comes to Trump. He thinks he's done no wrong. He's been brainwashed by Rush. Then our pastor brings the Sunday morning message and in his message, he condemns the terrorists. I looked back at the guy who wanted the Capitol to be burned down and he was looking straight at me. I have no idea what was going through his mind. I hope I know him well enough to believe if he had been there on Jan. 6th, he wouldn't have been in our Capitol building.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

I don't think they are thinking that far ahead. The reality is they will end up with President Pelosi. Stopping Biden does not in any way change the fact that Trump is out January 20th. As is VP Pence. That means that President Pelosi will be the next Commander in Chief.

As someone who considers themselves conservative (in the Reagan sense of what that word used to mean) and someone who would like the constitution interpreted strictly, I am beyond pissed off at these idiots who have been duped into committing an insurrection thinking it will make a hill of beans difference. They've turned the phrase "law and order" into a joke. They gone from wanting to "defend the constitution" to defecating on the constitution. There is going to be an entire generation that equates conservative views with what happened on 1/6/21. All because they listened to the right wing talking heads, conspiracy nuts and our President who wanted to inflame their passions to boost their ratings, line their pocketbooks and stroke their own egos.

I'm going to go vomit now as I contemplate the future.

Thank you for your comments. It is refreshing to see a conservative condemning their behavior rather than creating excuses for it. This problem would go away a lot more quickly if everyone did this and Republicans more vocally said "not my party" with regards to these people.

I largely stay away from TV news but I think it would be helpful for there to be more discussion of cult behavior and unwinding cults. Because that is essentially what this is. I know that mental health professionals are ethically forbidden from diagnosing people they have not treated directly, but this is a clear case of cult behavior and I would like to know how professionals would suggest dealing with it. The easiest solution is to get their leader to profess change, but that's not going to happen. Unfortunately, a lot of the best solutions would require violations of basic constitutional principles (primarily free speech), and we don't want to go there. I still am not sure what the proper response is or the end game will be.

[Tripping William]

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

And believe them the first time.

[camion]

I am dying to know what they would spend the $2 billion on... I mean, how big of a complex are they planning?

If he thinks he will be able to bring in $2 bil from small-money donors... well, the math just ain't there. During the 2020 race -- something that really engaged his donors in a way that a library just won't -- he raised $378 mil from donors who gave less than $200 per donation. So, to raise $2 bil from small-dollar donors, he would need to raise about six times as much as he did for the Presidential campaign. That ain't gonna happen. And there's no way he is going to get big corporate donors to make up for it because Trump has become truly toxic to Corporate America. How much money does the My Pillow guy have?

-Jason "maybe the library is so expensive because they are going to surround the whole thing with a giant wall... I hear those are pretty expensive" Evans

Salaries for museum creators and directors? There's gonna be a lot of overhead.

[dudog84]

Thank you for your comments. It is refreshing to see a conservative condemning their behavior rather than creating excuses for it. This problem would go away a lot more quickly if everyone did this and Republicans more vocally said "not my party" with regards to these people.

I largely stay away from TV news but I think it would be helpful for there to be more discussion of cult behavior and unwinding cults. Because that is essentially what this is. I know that mental health professionals are ethically forbidden from diagnosing people they have not treated directly, but this is a clear case of cult behavior and I would like to know how professionals would suggest dealing with it. The easiest solution is to get their leader to profess change, but that's not going to happen. Unfortunately, a lot of the best solutions would require violations of basic constitutional principles (primarily free speech), and we don't want to go there. I still am not sure what the proper response is or the end game will be.

Re-education camps? Yep, not gonna go there. I think investigation and prosecution of the offenders is the best we've got. A lot of money and resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

[sagegrouse]

Can someone explain the end game for the folks who invaded the capitol last week or for folks who want to cause violence at Biden's inauguration? Do they think that kidnapping members of congress or even assassinating Biden will put Trump in office after the 20th? There is no scenario where the line of succession passes to Trump once we hit the 20th. If they got Biden, it would go to Harris. If they also got Harris, it would go to Pelosi. If they also got Pelosi... I think it would go to the acting secretary of state (Pompeo leaves office on the 20th as well), whoever that is, until the Democrats picked a new President. I guess it might go to McConnell or Schumer (depending on whether the Senate had made Schumer Majority leader by then). But even if it went to McConnell, there is no way he would not preserve the will of the voters by handing the Presidency over to some Democrat (likely Antony Blinken, who is the Sec of State nominee).

Anyway, the bottom line is no amount of violence is going to keep Trump in office. I get protests to show that you are upset, Democrats did the same thing shortly after Trump took office and peaceful marches are part of the fabric of American Democracy, but the violence seems really pointless and counterproductive to me.

Well, Sen. Tuberville appears to -- he was arguing that there is too much illness and unrest in the country to go forward with the inauguration on January 20. I don't think he was thinking that Speaker Pelosi would then be president.

[JasonEvans]

1. Get a franchise.

2. ? ? ?

3. Win!

[CameronBornAndBred]

I hope I know him well enough to believe if he had been there on Jan. 6th, he wouldn't have been in our Capitol building.

I love how the predominant defense of those arrested for being in the building is "I'm innocent, I just got carried in by the crowd."
Seems that everyone in the crowd has that excuse.

[ClemmonsDevil]

I love how the predominant defense of those arrested for being in the building is "I'm innocent, I just got carried in by the crowd."
Seems that everyone in the crowd has that excuse.

I stand by my theory that there was a spontaneous show tune outbreak. Those things can be compelling. It helped Springfield recognize that the burlesque house was part and parcel of the fabric of the community. This seems like the most likely cause of insurrection.

[OldPhiKap]

I stand by my theory that there was a spontaneous show tune outbreak. Those things can be compelling. It helped Springfield recognize that the burlesque house was part and parcel of the fabric of the community. This seems like the most likely cause of insurrection.

It's how they ended up with a monorail.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I stand by my theory that there was a spontaneous show tune outbreak. Those things can be compelling. It helped Springfield recognize that the burlesque house was part and parcel of the fabric of the community. This seems like the most likely cause of insurrection.

Or getting caught up in the excitement of a monorail.

[ClemmonsDevil]

Or getting caught up in the excitement of a monorail.

I'm thinking of moving to North Haverbrook. Or maybe ogdenville.