Ok, so you're posing a trade where part of it is an agreement with Hayward to extend with the Pacers at some number substantially lower than $34 million/year. Why would Hayward agree to do that, as opposed to playing out the last year of his contract and then seeing what he can get on the free market after the 2021 season?
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I’m not saying Hayward would agree to that. I’m saying that’s what Indiana would TRY to get him to agree to do. And once he were to see as a free agent the offers he would get from other teams he might realize that signing with Indiana is the way to go. Who knows? It’s all just speculation.
I actually think this deal makes a lot of sense. Turner is not the big man of the future for Indiana, Sabonis is. It is no secret that the Pacers big 3 are Sabonis, Oladipo and Brogdon. Granted, there is a tough injury history with that crew, but Turner is not a fit with those guys. Hayward would be.
On the flip side, the Celtics need a more dynamic modern big who is also a tough defender - Turner checks both boxes and his salary is good for his output (although he's 3x higher than Theis). From a chemistry standpoint, he was on that FIBA squad with all 4 Celtics, and, one assumes, if the Celtics make this move that those guys will have spoken well of him.
So that would put the Celtics in position to finish 7th in the FIBA World Cup!
(don't forget that Tatum didn't play in the medal rounds)
If Hayward left, the Pacers would still be in position to go after free agents to round themselves out. They are a nice young team on the rise.
It’s pretty clear that Hayward is damaged goods at this point. I don’t think any team that may trade for him knows exactly what they’re getting. Hence that drops his trade value tremendously. Add in the one year, 34 million contract and Jason is right. Only someone attracted to shedding salary is going to be interested.
Because of the desire to build around Sabonis, I think the Pacers would be happy with a one year Hayward rental and, if he works out, they could sign him to Turner money but have better positional alignment moving forward. If it doesn’t work out, they are in great cap shape with a solid young nucleus.
Or they could use Turner to trade for a better contract / player than Hayward elsewhere. There will be demand for Turner, a mobile defensive big man that doesn't require the ball much to be effective.
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1389099/
Allegedly both Oladipo and Turner want out.
Hayward represents an expiring contract, which for reasons I can never fully understand is an extremely valuable commodity in the NBA. Plus, if you're willing to give Kemba a break for being injured these playoffs then you should also be willing to do the same for Hayward, who returned quickly from injury and also sacrificed being present for the birth of his son and early weeks of parenting in order to continue playing in the bubble. He's overpaid and now has an injury history, but still a valuable player and has a good relationship with Stevens.
Tough news for Rivers, whom I consider part of the extended Duke family. I have no doubt he'll be hired elsewhere though.
This is exactly right. Was gonna post the same thing. Say you have a team like Washington and Bradley Beal is looking for an out, which would leave Washington looking to rebuild. You might be able to trade Hayward and a boat load of picks for Beal. Or you use Hayward and some other expiring or even attractive contracts, and you bring in Beal and John Wall, whose contract Washington would love to dump. The value to Washington is that the Hayward contract comes off the books the next year and they get rid of an albatross like Wall, allowing them the cap space to rebuild.
Boston would probably have plenty of options over the course of the year.
I suspect the Sixers might have an interest in Doc too.
https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/ph...hed-doc-rivers
More importantly, someone is going to walk into a pretty sweet situation in LA. I think the bubble was really bad for the Clippers and I would still make them one of the top 3-5 title contenders for next season. Houston is another sorta contending club that also has an opening. Do you have to be ok with Harden taking 50% of your shots to take the Houston job?Count the Philadelphia 76ers in as interested in Rivers. According to ESPN's Marc Spears, both the Sixers and the New Orleans Pelicans "have already reached out to former Clippers head coach Doc Rivers in regards to their head coach openings."
Before Rivers' departure, the Sixers' search for a head coach was already down to two candidates in former Houston Rockets head coach Mike D'Antoni, and Los Angeles Clippers assistant, Ty Lue. Now that Rivers is available, however, the 76ers' coaching search could have a third top candidate involved as Philly seems to be interested in considering Rivers,
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Disagree. It's a high risk / low reward opportunity from a coach's perspective. If you don't win, you're out. If you win, you need to convince Kawhi and George to resign, which is unlikely. There are no draft picks and little flexibility.
If I'm an established coach, I wouldn't take it. Lots of other good roles out there where you are guaranteed to be a head coach for 2+ years, including NO and Indiana.
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Good post. The Pacers have two cornerstones in Sabonis and Brogdon (and a good scorer in TJ Warren). They aren't getting rid of either. But the issue with the Pacers is both these players aren't young. Brogdon is 27 and Sabonis is 24 (Warren in 27). If anything, the Pacers want to win now.
We also know Turner wants out (which makes sense, given he's a clear second banana to Sabonis) and Oladipo is not a happy camper. Bad injury, bad recover, bad year. Does he really want out? Not sure, but it's not looking good.
Hayward provides another proven scorer who can probably get you 15-20 points a game easy (he averaged 17 a game this past year). He's a productive player, a good wing option, and plays decent defense.
But there are two issues with Hayward and the Celtics. 1) he gets paid like a boss when in reality he's a 4th banana on this team (at best) and 2) although he provides depth, he doesn't solve the Celtics main concern of a lack of a 5. And the only way to get that 5 is to trade a player. And guess what? The Pacers have the perfect 5 for the Celtics.
The Celtics want to keep Hayward...if he wasn't the highest paid player on the team.
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