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  1. #21
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    Just as a general rule of thumb: it is safe to assume that anyone 6’4” or taller who is good enough to play college bball is also athletic enough to dunk. And almost all of the guys 6’2” or taller in major college bball can dunk. So yeah, anyone you see who is 6’9” can not only dunk but can do so fairly easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Just as a general rule of thumb: it is safe to assume that anyone 6’4” or taller who is good enough to play college bball is also athletic enough to dunk. And almost all of the guys 6’2” or taller in major college bball can dunk. So yeah, anyone you see who is 6’9” can not only dunk but can do so fairly easily.
    That's pretty depressing, CDU. Thanks. Actually, it's amazing isn't it. The 40+ verticals are incredible. I did dream once that I could dunk easily. I was totally bummed when I woke up to reality.
    “I love it. Coach, when we came here, we had a three-hour meeting about the core values. If you really represent the core values, it means diving on the floor, sacrificing your body for your teammates, no matter how much you’re up by or how much you’re down by, always playing hard.” -- Zion

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    My question is, can Ryan shoot a jumper? He's a pretty solid free throw shooter, I don't understand why he doesn't even try middies or corner 3s. Lord knows we could use the spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hustleplays View Post
    That's pretty depressing, CDU. Thanks. Actually, it's amazing isn't it. The 40+ verticals are incredible. I did dream once that I could dunk easily. I was totally bummed when I woke up to reality.
    Oh it is depressing. As a 5’11” guy who was JUUUST shy of dunking a bball (I could dunk a volleyball) I remain quite jealous of those guys. I needed either another 2-3 inches of height or 2-3 inches of vertical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Oh it is depressing. As a 5’11” guy who was JUUUST shy of dunking a bball (I could dunk a volleyball) I remain quite jealous of those guys. I needed either another 2-3 inches of height or 2-3 inches of vertical.
    2-3 inches of vertical is all I ever had. I'm a 6'0' guy, and at my physical prime and in the best shape of my life (days long since passed), I couldn't even come close to touching the rim. I could leg press twice my own body weight 100 times in a row and do 200 sit-ups in 10 minutes, but I have always been solidly earth bound. I would have LOVED to be able to dunk even a volleyball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    My question is, can Ryan shoot a jumper? He's a pretty solid free throw shooter, I don't understand why he doesn't even try middies or corner 3s. Lord knows we could use the spacing.
    I watched a good chunk of that highlight tape and it includes a handful of jumpers. But the vast majority is the same kind of moves we've seen from him at Duke - backing into the post, lots of pump fakes, pivoting over his left foot to finish with his right. Even though defenders know it's coming they can't stop it. To answer your question, he shoots 72% from two so that makes more sense than shooting 25% from three or 40% on jumpers with less chance of an offensive rebound. When defenders give him space he instead prefers to turn and back into that space rather than shooting.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    I watched a good chunk of that highlight tape and it includes a handful of jumpers. But the vast majority is the same kind of moves we've seen from him at Duke - backing into the post, lots of pump fakes, pivoting over his left foot to finish with his right. Even though defenders know it's coming they can't stop it. To answer your question, he shoots 72% from two so that makes more sense than shooting 25% from three or 40% on jumpers with less chance of an offensive rebound. When defenders give him space he instead prefers to turn and back into that space rather than shooting.
    If you remember Antwan Jamison over at the Dump, he made living with the same move that Ryan uses. It is effective and efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    If you remember Antwan Jamison over at the Dump, he made living with the same move that Ryan uses. It is effective and efficient.
    I had the good fortune of watching Duke beat Jamison at Cameron in ‘97. He was so deadly and I’m not sure any player got off a shot quicker than he did. He took plenty of shots in the 8-15 foot range but it felt like a layup when he did it…

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Just as a general rule of thumb: it is safe to assume that anyone 6’4” or taller who is good enough to play college bball is also athletic enough to dunk. And almost all of the guys 6’2” or taller in major college bball can dunk. So yeah, anyone you see who is 6’9” can not only dunk but can do so fairly easily.
    5'8". Could dunk a volleyball and hang onto the rim with both hands. Couldn't palm a basketball (a Whopper looks HUGE in my hands), so I could never dunk a basketball cleanly. I could sort of "jello" it in or lay it up and touch the rim. We measured verticals and I think mine was 33 inches. I think I can say this with a lot of confidence, I have been dunked on the most of anyone on DBR. Not trying to brag or anything but a lot of dudes have dunked on me. And don't even get me started about how many times I've had my shot blocked.

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    Not sure where he gets his stats, but Torvik shows that Ryan has dunked six times in his college career (in six attempts).

    Here is a table from Torvik's site showing the number of dunks, dunk attempts, FG% in dunk attempts, total FGA, and percent of FGA which were attempted dunks for all players who finished their careers with Duke since 2008. Note: numbers include games played for other schools, but do not include pre-2008 stats.

    A couple notes:
    - Ryan's 6 career dunks put him ahead of Brian Zoubek (2 dunks from 2008-2010) and just behind behind Lance Thomas (7) and Kyle Singler (8).
    - 44% of Derek Lively's shot attempts have been attempted dunks. This is the highest of any Duke player since 2008. Marshall Plumlee is 2nd at 39%.
    - Of players with 10 or more dunk attempts, Cam Reddish had the least success converting (7 made dunks in 11 attempts).
    - Grayson Allen had the most career dunks (50) without a miss.
    - Not sure why Gerald Henderson doesn't show up on the list. I am pretty sure he had at least one dunk for Duke.

    Height Player DUNKS DUNK ATT Dunk % TOTAL FGA % DUNKS
    6-10 Mason Plumlee 209 232 90% 914 25%
    7-0 Mark Williams 130 135 96% 373 36%
    6-9 Theo John 97 107 91% 531 20%
    6-11 Marvin Bagley III 94 98 96% 440 22%
    7-0 Marshall Plumlee 84 92 91% 233 39%
    6-10 Miles Plumlee 83 94 88% 471 20%
    6-7 Zion Williamson 72 79 91% 435 18%
    6-11 Jahlil Okafor 64 67 96% 420 16%
    6-8 Jabari Parker 61 66 92% 499 13%
    6-10 Javin DeLaurier 58 64 91% 234 27%
    6-10 Wendell Carter Jr. 56 58 97% 319 18%
    6-11 Marques Bolden 55 60 92% 227 26%
    6-5 Grayson Allen 50 50 100% 1409 4%
    6-10 Vernon Carey Jr. 47 51 92% 345 15%
    6-10 Paolo Banchero 41 44 93% 513 9%
    6-7 R.J. Barrett 40 42 95% 702 6%
    6-9 Amile Jefferson 37 39 95% 687 6%
    6-6 Cassius Stanley 32 33 97% 270 12%
    6-11 Ryan Kelly 31 32 97% 682 5%
    6-2 Nolan Smith 29 35 83% 1490 2%
    7-1 Dereck Lively II 27 28 96% 63 44%
    6-6 Justise Winslow 24 25 96% 356 7%
    6-5 Wendell Moore Jr. 20 25 80% 736 3%
    6-8 Rodney Hood 19 22 86% 699 3%
    6-8 Jayson Tatum 18 21 86% 365 6%
    6-7 Jack White 18 20 90% 242 8%
    6-8 Mark Mitchell 18 20 90% 148 14%
    6-9 Brandon Ingram 17 17 100% 484 4%
    6-9 Matthew Hurt 16 16 100% 522 3%
    6-6 Kale Catchings 16 16 100% 203 8%
    6-6 Jacob Grandison 15 18 83% 1031 2%
    6-10 Harry Giles 15 17 88% 78 22%
    6-5 Andre Dawkins 13 15 87% 763 2%
    6-3 Trevon Duval 12 15 80% 346 4%
    6-11 Kyle Filipowski 12 12 100% 255 5%
    6-9 Justin Robinson 10 11 91% 63 17%
    6-8 Josh Hairston 9 11 82% 220 5%
    6-6 AJ Griffin 8 10 80% 296 3%
    6-8 Kyle Singler 8 9 89% 1879 0%
    6-9 Jalen Johnson 8 8 100% 108 7%
    6-8 Cam Reddish 7 11 64% 432 3%
    6-8 Lance Thomas 7 9 78% 367 2%
    6-10 Ryan Young 6 6 100% 592 1%
    6-6 Gary Trent Jr. 6 6 100% 427 1%
    6-6 Luke Kennard 5 5 100% 820 1%
    6-3 Frank Jackson 4 4 100% 281 1%
    6-2 DJ Steward 4 4 100% 265 2%
    7-0 Antonio Vrankovic 4 4 100% 47 9%
    6-2 Jaylen Blakes 3 6 50% 111 5%
    6-5 Matt Jones 3 3 100% 798 0%
    6-4 Austin Rivers 3 3 100% 402 1%
    6-6 Dariq Whitehead 2 4 50% 128 3%
    6-2 Jeremy Roach 2 3 67% 644 0%
    6-4 Trevor Keels 2 2 100% 351 1%
    7-1 Brian Zoubek 2 2 100% 316 1%
    6-3 Tre Jones 0 2 0% 702 0%
    6-4 Max Johns 0 1 0% 106 1%
    6-2 Seth Curry 0 0 1518 0%
    6-2 Quinn Cook 0 0 1235 0%
    6-5 Jon Scheyer 0 0 1158 0%
    6-1 Tyus Jones 0 0 324 0%
    6-2 Tyler Thornton 0 0 308 0%
    6-8 Bates Jones 0 0 173 0%
    6-5 Tyrese Proctor 0 0 168 0%
    6-2 Kyrie Irving 0 0 104 0%
    6-0 Michael Savarino 0 0 10 0%
    6-1 Jordan Davidson 0 0 10 0%
    6-3 Nick Pagliuca 0 0 5 0%
    Last edited by House P; 01-31-2023 at 11:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by House P View Post
    - Not sure why Gerald Henderson doesn't show up on the list. I am pretty sure he had at least one dunk for Duke.
    The reason Henderson doesn't show up is because Torvik only has dunk data back through the 2009-10 season. So the '09 and '08 teams don't have dunk data. Zoubek's 2 dunks on that list were from the '10 season, as were Thomas' 7 and 4 of Singler's 8 (he had 4 more in the '11 season). Each of those guys had a few more in previous seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    The reason Henderson doesn't show up is because Torvik only has dunk data back through the 2009-10 season. So the '09 and '08 teams don't have dunk data. Zoubek's 2 dunks on that list were from the '10 season, as were Thomas' 7 and 4 of Singler's 8 (he had 4 more in the '11 season). Each of those guys had a few more in previous seasons.
    Thanks. Torvik has individual player stats going back through 2008, so I (incorrectly) assumed that dunk stats were a part of this. That explains why Zoubek, Thomas, and Singler had so few dunks. It may also explain why our current head coach is listed with zero career dunks.

    So, I guess the real question isn't whether Ryan Young can dunk, but rather "did Jon Scheyer ever dunk (for Duke)"?

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by House P View Post
    Not sure where he gets his stats, but Torvik shows that Ryan has dunked six times in his college career (in six attempts).

    Here is a table from Torvik's site showing the number of dunks, dunk attempts, FG% in dunk attempts, total FGA, and percent of FGA which were attempted dunks for all players who finished their careers with Duke since 2008. Note: numbers include games played for other schools, but do not include pre-2008 stats.

    A couple notes:
    - Ryan's 6 career dunks put him ahead of Brian Zoubek (2 dunks from 2008-2010) and just behind behind Lance Thomas (7) and Kyle Singler (8).
    - 44% of Derek Lively's shot attempts have been attempted dunks. This is the highest of any Duke player since 2008. Marshall Plumlee is 2nd at 39%.
    - Of players with 10 or more dunk attempts, Cam Reddish had the least success converting (7 made dunks in 11 attempts).
    - Grayson Allen had the most career dunks (50) without a miss.
    - Not sure why Gerald Henderson doesn't show up on the list. I am pretty sure he had at least one dunk for Duke.

    Height Player DUNKS DUNK ATT Dunk % TOTAL FGA % DUNKS
    6-10 Mason Plumlee 209 232 90% 914 25%
    7-0 Mark Williams 130 135 96% 373 36%
    6-9 Theo John 97 107 91% 531 20%
    6-11 Marvin Bagley III 94 98 96% 440 22%
    7-0 Marshall Plumlee 84 92 91% 233 39%
    6-10 Miles Plumlee 83 94 88% 471 20%
    6-7 Zion Williamson 72 79 91% 435 18%
    6-11 Jahlil Okafor 64 67 96% 420 16%
    6-8 Jabari Parker 61 66 92% 499 13%
    6-10 Javin DeLaurier 58 64 91% 234 27%
    6-10 Wendell Carter Jr. 56 58 97% 319 18%
    6-11 Marques Bolden 55 60 92% 227 26%
    6-5 Grayson Allen 50 50 100% 1409 4%
    6-10 Vernon Carey Jr. 47 51 92% 345 15%
    6-10 Paolo Banchero 41 44 93% 513 9%
    6-7 R.J. Barrett 40 42 95% 702 6%
    6-9 Amile Jefferson 37 39 95% 687 6%
    6-6 Cassius Stanley 32 33 97% 270 12%
    6-11 Ryan Kelly 31 32 97% 682 5%
    6-2 Nolan Smith 29 35 83% 1490 2%
    7-1 Dereck Lively II 27 28 96% 63 44%
    6-6 Justise Winslow 24 25 96% 356 7%
    6-5 Wendell Moore Jr. 20 25 80% 736 3%
    6-8 Rodney Hood 19 22 86% 699 3%
    6-8 Jayson Tatum 18 21 86% 365 6%
    6-7 Jack White 18 20 90% 242 8%
    6-8 Mark Mitchell 18 20 90% 148 14%
    6-9 Brandon Ingram 17 17 100% 484 4%
    6-9 Matthew Hurt 16 16 100% 522 3%
    6-6 Kale Catchings 16 16 100% 203 8%
    6-6 Jacob Grandison 15 18 83% 1031 2%
    6-10 Harry Giles 15 17 88% 78 22%
    6-5 Andre Dawkins 13 15 87% 763 2%
    6-3 Trevon Duval 12 15 80% 346 4%
    6-11 Kyle Filipowski 12 12 100% 255 5%
    6-9 Justin Robinson 10 11 91% 63 17%
    6-8 Josh Hairston 9 11 82% 220 5%
    6-6 AJ Griffin 8 10 80% 296 3%
    6-8 Kyle Singler 8 9 89% 1879 0%
    6-9 Jalen Johnson 8 8 100% 108 7%
    6-8 Cam Reddish 7 11 64% 432 3%
    6-8 Lance Thomas 7 9 78% 367 2%
    6-10 Ryan Young 6 6 100% 592 1%
    6-6 Gary Trent Jr. 6 6 100% 427 1%
    6-6 Luke Kennard 5 5 100% 820 1%
    6-3 Frank Jackson 4 4 100% 281 1%
    6-2 DJ Steward 4 4 100% 265 2%
    7-0 Antonio Vrankovic 4 4 100% 47 9%
    6-2 Jaylen Blakes 3 6 50% 111 5%
    6-5 Matt Jones 3 3 100% 798 0%
    6-4 Austin Rivers 3 3 100% 402 1%
    6-6 Dariq Whitehead 2 4 50% 128 3%
    6-2 Jeremy Roach 2 3 67% 644 0%
    6-4 Trevor Keels 2 2 100% 351 1%
    7-1 Brian Zoubek 2 2 100% 316 1%
    6-3 Tre Jones 0 2 0% 702 0%
    6-4 Max Johns 0 1 0% 106 1%
    6-2 Seth Curry 0 0 1518 0%
    6-2 Quinn Cook 0 0 1235 0%
    6-5 Jon Scheyer 0 0 1158 0%
    6-1 Tyus Jones 0 0 324 0%
    6-2 Tyler Thornton 0 0 308 0%
    6-8 Bates Jones 0 0 173 0%
    6-5 Tyrese Proctor 0 0 168 0%
    6-2 Kyrie Irving 0 0 104 0%
    6-0 Michael Savarino 0 0 10 0%
    6-1 Jordan Davidson 0 0 10 0%
    6-3 Nick Pagliuca 0 0 5 0%
    So, on paper, we have three of the four worst dunkers (by dunk percentage) since 2008 on this team? Pretty funny.

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    If Ryan dunks tonight, we'll know he reads DBR.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    I watched a good chunk of that highlight tape and it includes a handful of jumpers. But the vast majority is the same kind of moves we've seen from him at Duke - backing into the post, lots of pump fakes, pivoting over his left foot to finish with his right. Even though defenders know it's coming they can't stop it. To answer your question, he shoots 72% from two so that makes more sense than shooting 25% from three or 40% on jumpers with less chance of an offensive rebound. When defenders give him space he instead prefers to turn and back into that space rather than shooting.
    I'd still like to see him attempt a mid range shot or 2 if opponents are just giving him wide open looks around the free throw line area. It's not like Kyle Filipowski can't clean up a miss or 2. I'd bet Ryan could hit 50+% from that area left wide open. He just needs to pose a threat, otherwise the defense will be happy to sag off of him all day and put 2 bodies on Kyle or whoever else is in the paint area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    If Ryan dunks tonight, we'll know he reads DBR.
    And if he doesn’t, we’ll know that he reads DBR but doesn’t want to let on that he does.

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    So Ryan has the ball in both hands, and is ABOVE the rim...and he let's it go. It rolls across the back of the rim, hits the backboard and falls back into the basket.
    So while he can dunk, he obviously does not want to. At least not in public.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    So Ryan has the ball in both hands, and is ABOVE the rim...and he let's it go. It rolls across the back of the rim, hits the backboard and falls back into the basket.
    So while he can dunk, he obviously does not want to. At least not in public.
    I have to say that the only time I smiled during this entire pitiful performance was on that play with a minute to go in the half when Ryan muffed that dunk attempt on the run and ended up crashing himself into a heap upon the stanchion. I love the guy, love him on our team, and he was one of the only guys to play well in this game, but wow that was about as unathletic a play as I've seen in quite some time!

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    Proctor asks Young straight up when we're gonna see a dunk

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukeinla View Post
    has anyone seen him dunk a basketball even in practice? My friends and I were debating it. He has great moves around the basket without dunking and it doesn't matter but I am just curious
    I would be surprised if there were any division 1 men who couldn't dunk... this includes walk-ons.

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