I would love a Duke-Kansas rematch. Love it.
I think the likelihood that the selection committee puts us in the same bracket as Arizona or Kansas is very high.
I would love a Duke-Kansas rematch. Love it.
I think the likelihood that the selection committee puts us in the same bracket as Arizona or Kansas is very high.
Oh, I know, and think I've stated, that SOS is a component of RPI. I should've been more clear in my post -- but I just think that the media, and probably to a lesser extent the committee, probably is either unaware of that fact, or doesn't consider it so much. They seem to speak of the two measures independently, so it makes me feel the "double counting" does occur, to an extent, in the committee room.
I can't understand why Michigan State is even in any of these conversations. It's gotta be just based on past history of being involved in these conversations. They are nowhere close to that level this year. I know, injuries, but really, even with the guys back, they've still struggled, including losing today to Ohio State. I'd say at this point Michigan State is more appropriately discussed with others in the 5-6 seed range than in the 1-2 range.
Oh, I agree -- absolutely. But Michigan State IS in the conversation (I think for the reasons you cite). Saturday on GameDay, Bilas, Digger and Rose all talked about Michigan State as a potential Final Four team.
I think they are a tough and talented team. And because of past NCAA success, they are going to be a confident team. I think the real story in this tournament will be the power teams that are seeded very low. Would you like to be a No. 2 seed playing Oklahoma State or Kentucky in the second round (well, the round of 32 ... I know that's technically the third round). I could see Michigan State as a 5 seed. If you were a No. 4 seed, wouldn't you hate to see them in your bracket? Or what if you are a one and draw Oklahoma State as an No. 8 seed?
As for the RPI/SOS issue -- you guys are right that SOS is a big factor in RPI. But over the past few years a MAJOR issue for the committee (separate from RPI) is non-conference strength of schedule -- the dreaded "who you choose to play". Of course, this only applies to schools from a power conference -- never to the Gonzagas of VCUs of the world.
So don't treat RPI and SOS as separate factors ... but do consider NCSOS as a different metric.
Why not both?
SOUTH REGION
1) Florida
2) Kansas
3) Duke
4) Louisville
5) Michigan State
6) Kentucky
7) New Mexico
8) VCU
The Selection Committee has shown in the past that they lack either the brain capacity or the minimal amount of human effort to balance out the strength of each region. The only unlikely part of this scenario right now is putting Kentucky in the same region as Florida.
But if you're measuring NCSOS by the RPI method, it's still susceptible to gaming the system as I outlined in my earlier post. Coach K has been doing this for years -- scheduling the best teams from the worst conferences. Like Vermont, though that almost backfired, or Davidson this season. Playing these teams helps our RPI NCSOS, even though it would seem we had little chance of actually losing to them. In fact, other than Florida Atlantic and Alabama (which we didn't actually choose to schedule), I think every non-conference team we played this season has a winning record. That's why our RPI NCSOS is 20th in the country while Pomeroy thinks it's 87th.
In other words, the committee may rely on the RPI's NCSOS, but it's still pretty much a bogus measure.
I always like to remember 2005 when this conversation comes up. North Carolina, the eventual national champion and clearly an elite team, had the defending national champion UConn as its 2 seed, the preseason #1 team Kansas as its 3 seed, and a very talented Florida team as its 4 seed. IIRC people were seriously calling it the most stacked region of all time.
Then Kansas, Florida, and UConn all lost before the Sweet 16. I guess my point is: Kentucky, Michigan State, and so on really are going to deserve the seeds they're projected to get. They're capable of pulling upsets of course, but if the seeding is done reasonably accurately, the regions are automatically roughly balanced, even if that balance doesn't match up with preseason rankings or talent level. After all, that's the point of seeding.
So with Wisconsin losing, that means Duke, UVA, Kansas and Wisconsin all lost this weekend. I think Florida, Arizona, and Wichita State have #1 seeds locked up. Maybe U of A needs to win 1 game in the P12 tourney.
That leaves 1 1-seed up for grabs. Bracket Matrix has 'Nova as the last one. If Duke wins the ACCT, they'll beat 2 guys ahead of them. Also, Kansas and Michigan are probably in the discussion.
I side with Tommy on the Michigan St issue. I don't think they are THAT good even at full strength. There are few to no dominant teams this year so any 5 seed on up has a legit chance at the Final Four, but I wouldn't rate Mich St in the top half of those 20 or so teams. As to past NCAA success making them a confident team I don't buy that either. Mich St has a first round loss and 2 Sweet 16 losses the last three years. Izzo has a great history of making the FF with very good but not great teams but none of these players do.
Coach K on Kyle Singler - "What position does he play? ... He plays winner."
"Duke is never the underdog" - Quinn Cook
At this point, I'm rooting for Villanova to keep winning and get the last 1 seed to keep them off the 2 seed line. That gives Duke more paths to MSG since 'Nova's geo-preference would also be New York.
Of course, mostly, I just want Duke to win the ACC. Do that and let the chips fall where they may.