Alabama star Brandon Miller invovled in murder investigation

[Acymetric]

ESPN is out with an article with more details.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...h-jamea-harris

Thanks for sharing! Warning to anyone else who doesn't catch this immediately: ESPN refers to two separate vehicles as "the jeep" in the article. I'm still trying to figure out if it is clear from context which is which throughout.

Totally unrelated to the specifics of this case, but this line made me giggle:

Prosecutors and defense attorneys have presented conflicting interpretations of events that night.

You don't say!

[SavDukeGrad]

Thanks for sharing! Warning to anyone else who doesn't catch this immediately: ESPN refers to two separate vehicles as "the jeep" in the article. I'm still trying to figure out if it is clear from context which is which throughout.

Totally unrelated to the specifics of this case, but this line made me giggle:



You don't say!

You are both welcome!

I’m not sure this article changes the narrative that much. But it does fill in a lot of details from various sources.

[MChambers]

Thanks for sharing! Warning to anyone else who doesn't catch this immediately: ESPN refers to two separate vehicles as "the jeep" in the article. I'm still trying to figure out if it is clear from context which is which throughout.

Also, the victim's last name is Harris, but the mother of the alleged shooter is also named Harris. The article just refers to each of them as Harris.

[RollDevils]

I grew up 7 miles from Fairleigh Dickinson, so they are my only interest in the tournament right now. Well, I'd be happy to see Pitt and Northwestern advance a little because of Capel and Collins.

And, I root hard against Alabama, for many, many reasons, not the least of which is that I like college basketball and having this Alabama team win a national champtionship wouldn't be great for the sport.

I keep seeing so many people rooting against Bama. Is it because you don't like Coach Oats, which is a position you are certainly entitled to, or because you have some opinion on Miller that goes against what the legal system and facts of the events have said?

[Tooold]

I keep seeing so many people rooting against Bama. Is it because you don't like Coach Oats, which is a position you are certainly entitled to, or because you have some opinion on Miller that goes against what the legal system and facts of the events have said?

Yes.

[dyedwab]

I keep seeing so many people rooting against Bama. Is it because you don't like Coach Oats, which is a position you are certainly entitled to, or because you have some opinion on Miller that goes against what the legal system and facts of the events have said?

Yes. I dislike Nate Oats and Alabama did not do the right thing about Brandon Miller.

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

I keep seeing so many people rooting against Bama. Is it because you don't like Coach Oats, which is a position you are certainly entitled to, or because you have some opinion on Miller that goes against what the legal system and facts of the events have said?

If he was not a star basketball player he would currently be facing charges in pretty much every state in the country, since he furnished the gun. I’m not saying he would be convicted, that would depend on other facts such as full disclosure of all the texts messages between the guys that night. Also 3 or maybe 4 players at the shooting is pretty disturbing. But can’t let a murder get in the way of a good team.

[Acymetric]

I keep seeing so many people rooting against Bama. Is it because you don't like Coach Oats, which is a position you are certainly entitled to, or because you have some opinion on Miller that goes against what the legal system and facts of the events have said?

Yes.

Yes. I dislike Nate Oats and Alabama did not do the right thing about Brandon Miller.

Thirded, or fourthed or whatever.

[RollDevils]

Yes. I dislike Nate Oats and Alabama did not do the right thing about Brandon Miller.

What should they have done, in your opinion? The kid was not directly involved in anything related to the shooting. The gun was in his car when he drove to pick up his teammate. He did not own the gun, he did not hand deliver the gun, he did not block anyone in, and he did not pull the trigger. What should his punishment have been?

Now, I will agree that Oats and the administration did not respond well to questions and did not help diffuse the situation around Miller. But Miller was a kid caught in a very unfortunate situation.

[Acymetric]

What should they have done, in your opinion? The kid was not directly involved in anything related to the shooting. The gun was in his car when he drove to pick up his teammate. He did not own the gun, he did not hand deliver the gun, he did not block anyone in, and he did not pull the trigger. What should his punishment have been?

Now, I will agree that Oats and the administration did not respond well to questions and did not help diffuse the situation around Miller. But Miller was a kid caught in a very unfortunate situation.

The suggestion that Kai Spears is being smeared by the NYT undermines the idea that there was nothing wrong with being at the scene, but this isn't the thread for that.

[RollDevils]

If he was not a star basketball player he would currently be facing charges in pretty much every state in the country, since he furnished the gun. I’m not saying he would be convicted, that would depend on other facts such as full disclosure of all the texts messages between the guys that night. Also 3 or maybe 4 players at the shooting is pretty disturbing. But can’t let a murder get in the way of a good team.

Don't ever let facts get in the way of a good narrative, huh? The relevant facts related to Miller are available if you care to read them. But, that would make your opinions less tenable, I suppose.

[Norman Pfyster]

If he was not a star basketball player he would currently be facing charges in pretty much every state in the country, since he furnished the gun. I’m not saying he would be convicted, that would depend on other facts such as full disclosure of all the texts messages between the guys that night. Also 3 or maybe 4 players at the shooting is pretty disturbing. But can’t let a murder get in the way of a good team.

As has been hashed out in detail above, based on the publicly-available information, there is not sufficient evidence to charge Brandon Miller with a crime. People are on better ground arguing Miller's participation in the basketball program doesn't need to be evaluated according to the same standards as the criminal justice system, which poses the question of what standards there should be to suspend a player.

[Bluedog]

As has been hashed out in detail above, based on the publicly-available information, there is not sufficient evidence to charge Brandon Miller with a crime [in Alabama]. People are on better ground arguing Miller's participation in the basketball program doesn't need to be evaluated according to the same standards as the criminal justice system, which poses the question of what standards there should be to suspend a player.

Well, to be fair to the poster above, they said "in pretty much every state" so they perhaps acknowledge the fact that based on Alabama law, the evidence suggest Miller should not be charged with a crime. At least, that's my charitable interpretation but I'd probably also change "pretty much every" to simply "most."

The incident occurred in the state of Alabama though, so it could be argued that it's strange for that poster to suggest he'd be charged in another state if it happened there. Well, it didn't so Alabama law applies. Still, some could see the situation and response as unseemly even if doesn't rise to the level of a criminal charge.

[dudog84]

What should they have done, in your opinion? The kid was not directly involved in anything related to the shooting. The gun was in his car when he drove to pick up his teammate. He did not own the gun, he did not hand deliver the gun, he did not block anyone in, and he did not pull the trigger. What should his punishment have been?

Now, I will agree that Oats and the administration did not respond well to questions and did not help diffuse the situation around Miller. But Miller was a kid caught in a very unfortunate situation.

Correct, he delivered by car. Significant difference.

[sagegrouse]

Don't ever let facts get in the way of a good narrative, huh? The relevant facts related to Miller are available if you care to read them. But, that would make your opinions less tenable, I suppose.

Several present or recent Alabama players were at the scene of a murder. One is charged with murder. The murder weapon was in Brandon Miller's car, and he was asked to bring it to a former player. There was shooting, a woman was killed and B. Miller's car was hit twice. Oats brushed it off; Bama deleted all reference to the charged (former) player.

Gee, happens everywhere. All the players are legally entitled to the presumption of innocence, but I and others have no such obligation.

This is a tawdry mess, made worse by Alabama's apparent disinterest.

There's more. Duke's reaction to the LAX hoax, for example.

[SavDukeGrad]

Several present or recent Alabama players were at the scene of a murder. One is charged with murder. The murder weapon was in Brandon Miller's car, and he was asked to bring it to a former player. There was shooting, a woman was killed and B. Miller's car was hit twice. Oats brushed it off; Bama deleted all reference to the charged (former) player.

Gee, happens everywhere. All the players are legally entitled to the presumption of innocence, but I and others have no such obligation.

This is a tawdry mess, made worse by Alabama's apparent disinterest.

There's more. Duke's reaction to the LAX hoax, for example.

Don’t forget, the gun was found by law enforcement in an apartment shared by Alabama basketball players (we don’t know which ones), hidden in the room of a player who was out of town.

[DangerDevil]

Several present or recent Alabama players were at the scene of a murder. One is charged with murder. The murder weapon was in Brandon Miller's car, and he was asked to bring it to a former player. There was shooting, a woman was killed and B. Miller's car was hit twice. Oats brushed it off; Bama deleted all reference to the charged (former) player.

Gee, happens everywhere. All the players are legally entitled to the presumption of innocence, but I and others have no such obligation.

This is a tawdry mess, made worse by Alabama's apparent disinterest.

There's more. Duke's reaction to the LAX hoax, for example.

I never could have imagined a scenario that would cause me to root for Maryland, then again it doesn’t get much more unbelievable than what has happened at Alabama and Nate Oats and their apparent indifference.

Go Terps, as dirty as that makes me feel!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Don't ever let facts get in the way of a good narrative, huh? The relevant facts related to Miller are available if you care to read them. But, that would make your opinions less tenable, I suppose.

Hey DBR guy, you asked a question and got strong opinions. That's how it works.

Also, forgive us if we are a little salty today, but our favorite team just played their last game for the next eight months.

Not a good opportunity for soliciting super sensitive opinions and being unhappy with the answers.

[RollDevils]

Hey DBR guy, you asked a question and got strong opinions. That's how it works.

Also, forgive us if we are a little salty today, but our favorite team just played their last game for the next eight months.

Not a good opportunity for soliciting super sensitive opinions and being unhappy with the answers.

No issue with the debate. I was honestly curious on why people held this opinion. I grew up an Alabama fan, football primarily, because my family is from there. I grew up in NC and became a Duke fan as I was getting into basketball in the late 80s, mostly over a shared disdain of anything UNC. I expected what I presume to be an educated fanbase to have a reasoned take on the Miller situation and not just parrot what the national media ran with from the beginning. I have been a bit surprised by the vitriol towards Alabama and Miller. I would argue that if Miller were not a star player, then no one would have any real inclination towards him being suspended or worse. The facts of the situation say that he was, at most, a patsy of sorts in that he was driving the car with the gun that was subsequently used to kill a young woman. Any other supposed involvement from Miller has been refuted with documented evidence. The fact that other players were there as well has no bearing except, possibly, a lack of judgment in general on being out that late in that part of T-town. As I said, the adults could have handled the discussion much better, but that does not reflect on Miller.

I, too, am a bit triggered by the loss today, but was genuinely wanting to engage in a discussion on the situation with a group that has no horse in the race, so to speak.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I, too, am a bit triggered by the loss today, but was genuinely wanting to engage in a discussion on the situation with a group that has no horse in the race, so to speak.

Most other days you would get more spirited back and forth and thoughtful dialogue.