Permanent Change to Transfer Rules - everyone gets one without sitting

[scottdude8]

This has been discussed on and off in the Henry Coleman transfer thread but keeps getting lost in the noise, so I figured it merited its own thread.

To be clear, moving forward players will permanently be allowed to transfer once without sitting out a year.

Starting next season, major college football and basketball players will be permitted to transfer one time before graduating without being required to sit out a year of competition.

We can discuss what this change means here, but hopefully having a designated thread will alleviate this question from coming back in cycles in other threads

[proelitedota]

One and done.
Four and done.
One and transfer.

If Duke adapts we can build the kind of roster we need every year to maximize our potential with spending less resources on year to year player development.

[chrishoke]

Question - Under the new permanent rule on transfers, can Brakefield and Coleman transfer again after next year and not have to sit out a year?

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Question - Under the new permanent rule on transfers, can Brakefield and Coleman transfer again after next year and not have to sit out a year?

Nope. Just put this in the Coleman thread. Only one time can you transfer without sitting out. So that at least should slow down the movement a little bit.

[mo.st.dukie]

Does this apply to in-season transfers as well? Could a player start in the fall at one school, transfer and enroll at the new school for the spring semester, and then be eligible to play at the new school in January?

Seems like the rule places an incentive to recruit one-time transfers more than high school recruits. The one-time transfers have already used up that transfer so if they transfer again they would have to sit out a year, they would be less likely to transfer out of the program. Incoming freshmen could bail at any time. Getting a rising sophomore from the portal would seem to be better than getting a non-OAD incoming freshman in that regard.

[DevilYouKnow]

This will really destroy season to season team continuity. But maybe it'll bring all teams up to the same level of chaos that Duke and kentucky face.

[flyingdutchdevil]

A solid but not elite mid-major could stay at, say, St Mary's for 3 years only to be poached by Duke or Kansas. And players at Duke or Kansas will transfers to, say, UC Berkeley after their freshman years. And UC Berkeley players will leave for either St Mary's or Duke/Kansas after two years once they realize they are elite or they want more playing time.

Why invest in player development?

The NCAA is basically giving the NBA a reason to further develop the G-League. Sigh...

[SkyBrickey]

One and done.
Four and done.
One and transfer.

If Duke adapts we can build the kind of roster we need every year to maximize our potential with spending less resources on year to year player development.

If this happens, Duke basketball may start to look like a minor league baseball team. I don’t know any of the players names, but we won big today and my kid caught a tshirt at halftime!

[CDu]

Does this apply to in-season transfers as well? Could a player start in the fall at one school, transfer and enroll at the new school for the spring semester, and then be eligible to play at the new school in January?

Someone speculated that you have to enter the transfer portal, and that it would apply to the NEXT year. So, no, you can't transfer midseason and play for two different teams in the same season. This might almost entirely eliminate midseason transfers.

Seems like the rule places an incentive to recruit one-time transfers more than high school recruits. The one-time transfers have already used up that transfer so if they transfer again they would have to sit out a year. Incoming freshmen could bail at any time.

Yes. There was an unnamed Big-12 coach (likely Chris Beard or Scott Drew) who said flat-out that he didn't waste time on the high school recruiting. His theory was that he wasn't going to land the one-and-dones, so it didn't make sense to waste time on high schoolers when he could use the grad transfer (and then this year the regular transfer) route and get proven veterans. I strongly suspect that the smart programs are the ones who will figure out how to navigate the available one-time transfers best.

And it could be an absolute boon for us. If we can keep landing multiple one-and-done talents annually and augment that annually with transfers, we could combine elite young talent with proven experienced talent and have a huge advantage moving forward.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

If this happens, Duke basketball may start to look like a minor league baseball team. I don’t know any of the players names, but we won big today and my kid caught a tshirt at halftime!

And I think the odds of a jersey ever being retired again has officially dropped from close to zero to zero.

[amusedcupcake]

If this happens, Duke basketball may start to look like a minor league baseball team. I don’t know any of the players names, but we won big today and my kid caught a tshirt at halftime!

Can we at least get dizzy bat races in Cameron? Oh, and funnel cakes! Thirsty Thursday, sponsored by Fullsteam?

[SkyBrickey]

A giant devil in the rafters that blows smoke whenever player Small Guy tosses an alley oop to player Big Guy. We should have plenty of room with no more jerseys going up.

[sagegrouse]

This has been discussed on and off in the Henry Coleman transfer thread but keeps getting lost in the noise, so I figured it merited its own thread.

To be clear, moving forward players will permanently be allowed to transfer once without sitting out a year.



We can discuss what this change means here, but hopefully having a designated thread will alleviate this question from coming back in cycles in other threads

The potential for Duke is immense. We can identify mid-majors and others as stepping stones for promising players --- and then, having them transfer to Duke, they can't transfer again. Just kidding, but I am sure there will be some interesting recruiting tactics and strategy.

[proelitedota]

This will really destroy season to season team continuity. But maybe it'll bring all teams up to the same level of chaos that Duke and kentucky face.

The program with the most resource and the most used to turnovers absolutely benefits the most from this change. If we adapt.

[miramar]

There was an unnamed Big-12 coach (likely Chris Beard or Scott Drew) who said flat-out that he didn't waste time on the high school recruiting. His theory was that he wasn't going to land the one-and-dones, so it didn't make sense to waste time on high schoolers when he could use the grad transfer (and then this year the regular transfer) route and get proven veterans. I strongly suspect that the smart programs are the ones who will figure out how to navigate the available one-time transfers best.

Chris Beard, another Bob Knight disciple, used transfers very effectively while at Texas Tech. Now that he’s at Texas, I suspect that he can combine transfers and top freshman recruits.

That might be the best way forward with this new rule. After all, if recruits use us as a launching pad, we should do the same with other programs. It would have been nice to have Dahntay Jones, Rodney Hood, and Seth Curry right away. Or maybe Steph Curry for a year or two.

[revmel53]

The program with the most resource and the most used to turnovers absolutely benefits the most from this change. If we adapt.

The title says it all. Coach K has always played within the rules and adjusted to them, even when they change. The rule change seems strange to me, but I will get used to it, and Coach will too, and make certain that Duke benefits! Go Duke!

[Truth&Justise]

The potential for Duke is immense. We can identify mid-majors and others as stepping stones for promising players --- and then, having them transfer to Duke, they can't transfer again. Just kidding, but I am sure there will be some interesting recruiting tactics and strategy.

That's not a bad strategy at all. With this system, the second best possible recruit you can land (after top-tier OAD talents like a Zion or a Marvin Bagley) is a highly rated freshman whose NBA stock is low and is transferring out of another program. Sure, he might improve quickly and leave for the pros, but that's less likely if he couldn't after year #1, and the odds of another transfer are relatively low. Plus he'd have three immediate years of eligibility.

Heck, maybe this isn't so new after all--think of it like the days where freshmen weren't eligible. UCLA only got Alcindor and Walton for three years!

And I think the odds of a jersey ever being retired again has officially dropped from close to zero to zero.

Never say never. There are still talented players who just won't ever be high on the NBA radar, no matter how good they get in college--like Luka Garza. But maybe they'll be someone who started at another school and then transferred to Duke for three years. And we've seen that three years can be enough to get your jersey retired.

[Tooold]

The potential for Duke is immense. We can identify mid-majors and others as stepping stones for promising players --- and then, having them transfer to Duke, they can't transfer again. Just kidding, but I am sure there will be some interesting recruiting tactics and strategy.

I don’t think this will help us retain players who are unhappy with their PT. In fact, we may lose more of our freshmen—those who came in thinking that the very fact that Duke recruited them means they are really good, but then were disappointed in their limited PT, will find the portal more appealing than in the past.. But if we can learn to take advantage of the transfer portal and actually recruit transfers, we could benefit as you say. Of course K is a master at adapting, so maybe we will be fine. But regardless I think it is a disappointing decision by the NCAA.

[LasVegas]

I don’t think this will help us retain players who are unhappy with their PT. In fact, we may lose more of our freshmen—those who came in thinking that the very fact that Duke recruited them means they are really good, but then were disappointed in their limited PT, will find the portal more appealing than in the past.. But if we can learn to take advantage of the transfer portal and actually recruit transfers, we could benefit as you say. Of course K is a master at adapting, so maybe we will be fine. But regardless I think it is a disappointing decision by the NCAA.

The real question is would K want to stick around for this? Would he want to adapt yet again? Roy made that decision. I suspect K isn’t too far behind. Recruiting basically an entire roster every year seems like it would be horrible.

[DukeTrinity11]

One and done.
Four and done.
One and transfer.

If Duke adapts we can build the kind of roster we need every year to maximize our potential with spending less resources on year to year player development.

Amen man, you're preaching to the choir.

This is an incredibly positive development for Duke Basketball since we're the gold standard so we can treat every other program as almost a farm system to feed us the best transfers who are still not high up on draft boards or decide to stay in the college realm for whatever reason.

Duke's roster building strategy going forward:

1. Recruit the top flight OADs who project as future NBA starters
2. Get 2-5 top tier transfers to fill out the rest of the starter and take up the remaining starting spots
3. Recruit Top 100+ recruits like Vrank and Goldwire who are fine being bench depth and spot minute players with the potential for more should an injury arise or if they organically improve tremendously

We can let the other teams do the player development for us and we can reload with All-Star college teams year after year to win championships.

The future looks bright!!