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    Who killed JFK?

    Iíve just spent a few minutes reading some of RFK Jr.ís opinions. He seems rather adamant the CIA killed JFK. Who do you think did it?

    If I knew basic tech, Iíd start a poll. Since I donít, my guess is the Mob.

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    Oswald acting alone. I haven't always felt this way but I have purged my life of conspiracy theories in any form. To me all of this stuff boils down to how many people would have to know and be involved? How many people would have to be quiet? Conspiracies that require too many moving parts got flushed from my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    Oswald acting alone. I haven't always felt this way but I have purged my life of conspiracy theories in any form. To me all of this stuff boils down to how many people would have to know and be involved? How many people would have to be quiet? Conspiracies that require too many moving parts got flushed from my life.
    Finally have to disagree with you. I donít think the evidence supports that conclusion.


    As a partial aside, Rob Reinerís podcast on this topic is very good and enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acdevil View Post
    Finally have to disagree with you. I don’t think the evidence supports that conclusion.
    And I will disagree with you and side with Clem. Posner's book (the updated version) pretty much has me convinced, and it is (as Clem mentioned) the simplest explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    And I will disagree with you and side with Clem. Posner's book (the updated version) pretty much has me convinced, and it is (as Clem mentioned) the simplest explanation.
    Does the book explain why Jack Ruby kills Oswald? That was always the part that felt like a conspiracy to me, but Iím very curious and might have to go read that book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGDukesky View Post
    Does the book explain why Jack Ruby kills Oswald? That was always the part that felt like a conspiracy to me, but Iím very curious and might have to go read that book.
    It does about as good as anybody can do to explain it. It is not nearly as convincing an explanation as to why Oswald shot JFK, but it is persuasive. What it does go into detail about is that Ruby was not a mobster ... the mob bosses wanted no part of him. He was Jewish, and although he wasn't rigorous about it he did admire JFK for including Jews in his retinue. He publicly referred to Oswald as "that lousy Commie". But Posner admits it's harder getting inside Ruby's head to determine motivation than it was for Oswald's.

    I do recommend the updated Posner book. It is heavily annotated and just seems very convincing to me. It has been updated a couple of times since initial publication, the last time in September 2023. That last update doesn't have much meat, but the 2003 update came after the initial release of the FBI's JFK files which in general tend to support the lone gunman theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    It does about as good as anybody can do to explain it. It is not nearly as convincing an explanation as to why Oswald shot JFK, but it is persuasive. What it does go into detail about is that Ruby was not a mobster ... the mob bosses wanted no part of him. He was Jewish, and although he wasn't rigorous about it he did admire JFK for including Jews in his retinue. He publicly referred to Oswald as "that lousy Commie". But Posner admits it's harder getting inside Ruby's head to determine motivation than it was for Oswald's.

    I do recommend the updated Posner book. It is heavily annotated and just seems very convincing to me. It has been updated a couple of times since initial publication, the last time in September 2023. That last update doesn't have much meat, but the 2003 update came after the initial release of the FBI's JFK files which in general tend to support the lone gunman theory.
    I fully agree w/ 75Crazie here. Posner does a fine job sorting the wheat from the chaff, and the chapter on the medical data is excellent. Nearly all the conspiracy 'experts' -because they have no medical training- get tripped up on the xray and entrance-exit wounds evidence.

    It is a good read.
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    mobsters can't be Jewish? Meyer Lansky would be SO disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    mobsters can't be Jewish? Meyer Lansky would be SO disappointed.
    Yes and what about Don Rickles in casino or Billy Crystal in Analyze This??

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    Ted Cruz's dad...am I right?

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    Had to be

    Trump.

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    I will preface this by saying that I am not well versed in JFK assassination data or conspiracy theories. I read Bill James's book Popular Crime where he posits a theory based on the "magic bullet" problem and the fact that there are eyewitness reports where people said they smelled gunpowder (not possible if the only shots fired were from the Texas Schoolbook Depository). He thinks it's possible one of the Secret Service agents in the car behind Kennedy accidentally fired the fatal shot in a confused reaction to Oswald firing his first shot.

    Feel free to point out where that theory is wrong. I'm not big on conspiracies but the theory was at least interesting to read.

    Shakespeare wrote the Shakespeare plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostondevil View Post
    I will preface this by saying that I am not well versed in JFK assassination data or conspiracy theories. I read Bill James's book Popular Crime where he posits a theory based on the "magic bullet" problem and the fact that there are eyewitness reports where people said they smelled gunpowder (not possible if the only shots fired were from the Texas Schoolbook Depository). He thinks it's possible one of the Secret Service agents in the car behind Kennedy accidentally fired the fatal shot in a confused reaction to Oswald firing his first shot.

    Feel free to point out where that theory is wrong. I'm not big on conspiracies but the theory was at least interesting to read.

    Shakespeare wrote the Shakespeare plays.
    Now, if you had found a way to tie in the Roswell aliens to your comment, it would have nailed all of the big three conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, well done!

    Posner goes into near-excruciating detail on the physics of the paths of all three bullets, based on several different pieces of evidence, and concludes that all three came from Oswald's rifle. I don't have the ability to critically assess his conclusions, I just find them compelling.

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    Who killed the Kennedys?

    After all, it was you and me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    Who killed the Kennedys?

    After all, it was you and me.
    Well Iím not gonna argue with Mick.
    Bob Green

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    Now, if you had found a way to tie in the Roswell aliens to your comment, it would have nailed all of the big three conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, well done!

    Posner goes into near-excruciating detail on the physics of the paths of all three bullets, based on several different pieces of evidence, and concludes that all three came from Oswald's rifle. I don't have the ability to critically assess his conclusions, I just find them compelling.
    For awhile there was a meme going around on FB asking people to start a fight in 6 words. I succeeded with "William Shakespeare wrote the Shakespeare plays." I added his first name to get to 6 words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    Now, if you had found a way to tie in the Roswell aliens to your comment, it would have nailed all of the big three conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, well done!

    Posner goes into near-excruciating detail on the physics of the paths of all three bullets, based on several different pieces of evidence, and concludes that all three came from Oswald's rifle. I don't have the ability to critically assess his conclusions, I just find them compelling.
    While Bill James's theory on the JFK assassination was interesting to read, it didn't have enough actual evidence to support it being taken seriously. The same book talks about the Lizzie Borden case and for that, Mr. James does present compelling evidence that Lizzie Borden was innocent. I know enough about historically accurate costuming to know what reasonably well off spinsters would have been wearing in the 1890s. The time between Andrew Borden being seen alive and Lizzie calling for help from the doorway was less than 15 minutes. When she called for help - there was no blood on her clothes, in her hair, on her shoes, nowhere. For heavens' sake, there was blood on the ceiling in the room where Andrew Borden was murdered. She did not have time to kill him, changes clothes, wash and dry her hair, and find another pair of shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostondevil View Post
    ...and find another pair of shoes.
    Especially decide on shoes. <ducks>
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    Especially decide on shoes. <ducks>
    The idiots who conducted the original investigation were all men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    Now, if you had found a way to tie in the Roswell aliens to your comment, it would have nailed all of the big three conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, well done!

    Posner goes into near-excruciating detail on the physics of the paths of all three bullets, based on several different pieces of evidence, and concludes that all three came from Oswald's rifle. I don't have the ability to critically assess his conclusions, I just find them compelling.
    Indeed, all of the ballistics and metal fragment analysis matches with the ammo Oswald had for his weapon; it doesn't seem possible that the Secret Service would use the same ammunition as the Mannlicher-Carcano mail order rifle.

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