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    Quote Originally Posted by CasualObserver View Post
    Whatever we see is not right with Flip, apparently NBA scouts are not concerned. There is a CBS Sports draft ranking out today and Flip is 15Öwith many players ahead of him already international pros or in G league. They must see a plan that makes him just outside a lottery pick. I wish they would share that with Scheyer.

    I expect people will jump on me and say the NBA will use him only at the 4. However, arenít most NBA fours as big and tough and college 5s?
    The biggest difference is how defenses are run. Pretty rare to see more than a moment of big on big leaning on each other with the short shot clock, defensive rules essentially prohibit packing the paint, and the focus is on offense. Game flows much more than most college games, so his size and the way he moves would seem to translate very well. A good team will fix shooting mechanics if he has problems there and I would think his foul shooting percentage would increase dramatically if he gets significant minutes. I can see how NBA scouts would value him.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    OFFENSE
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    2pt%: 52.4% (awful, driven mainly by very poor shooting in the midrange)
    ...
    In a vacuum, it's awful, but considering that ND only allows teams to shoot 44% from 2 in the conference, I would think that 52% is at least respectable.

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    I also thought the game was ugly with lots of tiny mental mistakes.

    I'd like to see us step on the throat of a lowly opponent like ND when we go up 10, no matter which players are in the game.

    Glad to see Stewart's big play. Hopefully he can build on it. Sean had more fun in a 20 second segment on a random Wednesday night than Flip has had all season.

    Seems that Tyrese and Flip are having trouble being high level two way players. I wonder if it is a matter of strength and conditioning.
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    This is an interesting point. Kyle's minutes per game aren't up much from last year to this year (29.2 to 29.8), but he's played 15 games this year with more than 30 minutes compared to 20 all last season. Without taking the time to do a more through analysis, my guess is that there's a lot more variance in those numbers this year (i.e., more heavy minute games cancelled out by those when foul trouble has kept him out). If Sean has truly played himself into the rotation, it might make it easier for Coach Scheyer to aim for 25-30 minutes from Kyle each night rather than 30-35. Could be worth a try to "unlock" him.
    Flip unlocked himself last night with foul trouble. I think thatís the only reason his minutes were down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post

    Now, on the positive note... I'm coming around to the idea of more minutes with Kyle and Sean on the floor together, especially if the opponent has a 5 man that Sean can conceivably guard. One of the reasonable hypotheses for Kyle's inconsistencies this year is the added toll of guarding the 5 defensively, so perhaps having him play 5-10 minutes a game matched up with the 4 defensively is a solution. As much as I love Ryan, I still think that will work better with Sean's complimentary skillset than Ryan's. I'd love to see Ryan getting his 5-10 minutes a game as Kyle's direct sub, and Sean getting 5-10 minutes a game alongside Kyle at the 4 when Mark needs a breather.
    This is something I was really hoping we would see back in December or early January, sort of a pipe-dreamish hope on my part. But the speed of the game has just been proving too much for Stewart in his freshman year. However, it would significantly change the dynamic and load carried by Kyle to have an athletic energy guy in there when Mark is out that can rebound (which Stewart obviously can) and make defensive plays while often defending the other team's primary big. I think a sophomore Stewart would fit that role rather nicely, but he may just not be there yet as a freshman.

    We get on Kyle a lot for his inconsistency and struggles but none of what we've been seeing from him this season should be at all surprising. A) He has come off a summer of hip surgery where he wasn't even on a court at all and B) he is spending the entire season playing out of position. That latter point might sound ridiculous given that he is 7ft and most college 5's are undersized anyways. But it's clear that being that lone big man to bang away in the post to generate offense as well as being the primary defender in the paint is not what Kyle has developed his game for. A guy with a smooth shooting stroke that misses a lot of free throws is a sign of fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    Flip unlocked himself last night with foul trouble. I think thatís the only reason his minutes were down.
    Exactly my point... I think that the reality that Flip is playing more high-leverage minutes this season is obscured in the numbers by the number of games in which foul trouble has limited his minutes. I wonder, then, if utilizing Sean to lower Flip's workload might be beneficial, if indeed he's "wearing down" playing the 5 as many posters have hypothesized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azzefkram View Post
    In a vacuum, it's awful, but considering that ND only allows teams to shoot 44% from 2 in the conference, I would think that 52% is at least respectable.
    Uggh, that was an editing fail. I should fire my editor . Yes, 52.4% is solid, and by no means awful.

    Basically, we did everything offensively pretty well except make our 3s ("should" have hit 3 more of them) and our FTs ("should" have hit 2 more of them).

    To let you know how the sausage is made, I copy/paste from a previous post-game thread, and I forgot to update the editorial on the %.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Uggh, that was an editing fail. I should fire my editor . Yes, 52.4% is solid, and by no means awful.

    Basically, we did everything offensively pretty well except make our 3s ("should" have hit 3 more of them) and our FTs ("should" have hit 2 more of them).

    To let you know how the sausage is made, I copy/paste from a previous post-game thread, and I forgot to update the editorial on the %.
    No worries. I really appreciate the recap. As for the editor, even Mo blew some saves .

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by TKG View Post
    Several of you have mentioned the ineffectiveness of Flipís spin move. I think the other thing that teamís have figured out is that being physical with Flip impacts his agressiveness. Flip becomes less of a factor in the paint and, given his struggles at the line (where hers hitting just over 65% for the season), opponents are taking their chances that Flip will not make them pay with Free Throws. Thatís a double bonus for the other team. His spin move is defended, he reacts poorly to contact and he struggles at the line. He has to make them pay for fouling him.

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    Teams have had that game plan since last year vs Tennessee. Maul Flip and he is taken away

  10. #50
    It felt like Duke played great for 10 minutes and then kind of coasted through the rest of the game. It's disappointing that we didn't put them to the sword, but we did what was needed to win comfortably. And we did so while not shooting well. If we merely shoot 18/25 from the line and 6/18 from 3, we win by 27 and everyone is happy.

    Sean Stewart remains tantalizing. If he can truly emerge as a ~10 defensive specialist off the bench, that would really help. Everyone's talking about the block --> alley oop, but how about the 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and the nice short jumper? He is definitely going to be a good player at this level. I hope that happens this year.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Maturin View Post

    Sean Stewart remains tantalizing. If he can truly emerge as a ~10 defensive specialist off the bench, that would really help. Everyone's talking about the block --> alley oop, but how about the 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and the nice short jumper? He is definitely going to be a good player at this level. I hope that happens this year.
    Great points.

    I was also impressed with how he was able to move his feet when switched onto to smaller guards.

    He did a number of things very well and I think we're about to see a healthy dose of him in the next few games.

    Here's hoping he keeps it up.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    I see a lot of hand-wringing in the thread so far about the qualitative "ugliness" of the game last night... but I think we should've 100% expected that considering the type of team Notre Dame is. Despite being overall a bad team, and a horrendous offensive team, they're actually quite good defensively across the board. So this was never going to be a "get right," win comfortably by 20+ type of game, in my view. Add in Coach Scheyer getting deeper bench guys some more PT, which I liked BTW, and you have a bit of a inconsistent performance.

    The FT's look bad on paper, but in reality 2 of those misses were from Sean (who won't be taking many), and another two were from Jared (who we know is a solid FT shooter), so I'm not as concerned about that on a team level. I am, however, concerned about Kyle's continued inconsistency from the stripe considering he should be the guy taking the most FTs of anyone on the team. He can obviously shoot, so hopefully this is just a case of the yips he can work through.

    Similarly, I'd be more worried about Kyle's performance if he hadn't also struggled against Notre Dame in our first matchup. That said, the foul trouble is still inexcusable, especially since a lot of them are (again) fouls away from the basket rather than contesting at the rim. That's a pure mental mistake, and something that should be fixable with enough emphasis, but it obviously hasn't been done yet.

    Now, on the positive note... I'm coming around to the idea of more minutes with Kyle and Sean on the floor together, especially if the opponent has a 5 man that Sean can conceivably guard. One of the reasonable hypotheses for Kyle's inconsistencies this year is the added toll of guarding the 5 defensively, so perhaps having him play 5-10 minutes a game matched up with the 4 defensively is a solution. As much as I love Ryan, I still think that will work better with Sean's complimentary skillset than Ryan's. I'd love to see Ryan getting his 5-10 minutes a game as Kyle's direct sub, and Sean getting 5-10 minutes a game alongside Kyle at the 4 when Mark needs a breather.
    I was watching the game and thinking this same thought. This was Stewart's best game by far -- perhaps this paired strategy can be tried in the next few games but I don't think it's quite ready for prime time unless Sean makes a huge leap in his defensive positioning. Hope springs eternal.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by gumbomoop View Post
    As one who posted multiple times in the run-up to the ND game that I hoped Scheyer would ďjuice the DĒ by using Blakes and Stewart to ďinject energy, variety, surprise, and confidence,Ē I was happy to see that happen last night. I wouldnít claim any special insight, as it struck me that the games with ND and BC offered an obvious moment to give Stewart and Blakes some PT for D. Same with heyman25 [ďLast chance to get bench players playing timeĒ] and undoubtedly numerous other posters.

    Admittedly itís unlikely going forward that weíll see Blakes playing extended minutes, as all the other 4 guards are substantially smoother on O, whereas Blakes actually tends to disrupt our O-flow, every time. Presumably heíll get another 7-8 minutes against BC but after that, unclear. I suppose Blakesís minutes will depend somewhat on whether the ankle problem limits Roachís minutes.

    Stewart, though, looks a fair bet to play ~10 mpg. Between his maddening fouls and understandable exhaustion, Filipowski isnít going to play 30+ minutes most games. Even if Mitchell plays 32-34 minutes regularly (debatable in itself), there will be 15-25 minutes available between Stewart and Young.

    This little revival-experimentation moment, which could conceivably extend through the 3d straight home game with Wake, might see an increase to an 8-man rotation, or perhaps 7.5+. If Stewart, especially, contributes against BC and Wake, heís surely going to get a chance to help in some very tough away games.
    The place where Blakes really helped offensively this night was crashing the offensive glass. There were at least two plays that I remember where he got us another possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurkingdukedog View Post
    The place where Blakes really helped offensively this night was crashing the offensive glass. There were at least two plays that I remember where he got us another possession.
    Which is interesting, as he had zero offensive rebounds.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Which is interesting, as he had zero offensive rebounds.
    Yes, one of the plays he tipped to Foster (I believe) and the other play he fought with a Notre Dame player who touched it last going out of bounds.

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    If we were to make it more difficult for opponents to bring the ball up the court, maybe double some down low, then our defensive numbers would improve.

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