2024 U.S. Presidential election

[OldPhiKap]

I’m note sure Trump cares about electoral politics when it comes to his possible VP choice. He wants someone who is loyal, and who will attack his enemies without overshadowing Trump.

[lotusland]

I can't really respond to "I like Haley" without violating Board rules. I agree that she can present well. Others have noted that she can be flexible in her policy positions. My strongest memory of her came from her resignation speech, when, seemingly out of nowhere, she portrayed Kushner as Einstein and Gandhi all in one package. It came across to me as very weird at the time. Later, Pompeo added context with the claim that she was angling through Kushner and Ivanka to replace Pence on the ticket. In the current campaign, she seems to be managing to appeal to anti-MAGA GOP voters, while not entirely burning bridges with Trump. Trump's chances in the general election could swing significantly if he picked Haley, MTG, or Tucker Carlson as his running mate.

https://www.businessinsider.in/nikki...w/66138923.cms

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...nikki-haley-vp

Exactly. I see Haley as a political animal. She managed to pick the foreign policy job, in the Trump administration, that was very unlikely to get her involved in scandal or on the wrong side of Trump. DeSantis has been painting her as the next coming of HRC and I do see Clinton like calculations and an ability to make nonsense sound important. She recently sent a tweet that criticized Biden for not getting American hostages released and admonishing that we ought to “demand” their release. Great idea! Perhaps we should also stamp our feet? Reminds me of how, in speeches, Bill Clinton would identify a complex problem like poverty or homelessness in detail then bite his lip, look into the camera and say “we ought to do better”. Brilliant! Down with the worsers, we need better! Haley says Trump was the right president at the time but not now. No real explanation needed apparently. I watch political speech like Kubuki theatre and pay attention to what they actually do or propose to do in detail.

[PackMan97]

I’m note sure Trump cares about electoral politics when it comes to his possible VP choice. He wants someone who is loyal, and who will attack his enemies without overshadowing Trump.

Must spread sporks. I think this disqualifies both DeSantis and Haley. It certainly does Pence and Christie.

[camion]

Must spread sporks. I think this disqualifies both DeSantis and Haley. It certainly does Pence and Christie.

And MTG?

Asking for a friend in SC.

[PackMan97]

And MTG?

Asking for a friend in SC.

Naw, MTG is good. (AFAIK, I don't follow her)

[PackMan97]

Ramaswamy's campaign starting to lose talent.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/polit...ign/index.html

Brian Swensen formally resigned from his role as national political director for the Ramaswamy campaign over the weekend and has joined the Trump campaign, a source familiar with his departure told CNN. Swensen is expected to be working on the campaign’s political operation in the early-voting states, specifically in Nevada, two Trump campaign sources told CNN.

Swensen’s departure is the latest indicator of Ramaswamy’s stagnating campaign, which has struggled to gain momentum even as the candidate closely aligns himself with Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 GOP nomination. Earlier this month, Brandon Goodyear, the Ramaswamy team’s director of content, stepped away from the campaign, a source familiar with the departure told CNN.

[AGDukesky]

Ramaswamy's campaign starting to lose talent.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/polit...ign/index.html

Completely forgot about that guy

[burnspbesq]

The millions of people in this country who think that Biden is doing a very good job as President — just like millions thought that Trump did a very good job, will not decide who will be POTUS.

Just like 2016, those who are currently casting aspersions on both parties/candidates will pick the next POTUS. Maybe, they should be allowed a voice on this thread?

It’s actually pretty simple. If you want a voice in who the Democrats select as their nominee, be a Democrat.

[sagegrouse]

Exactly. I see Haley as a political animal. She managed to pick the foreign policy job, in the Trump administration, that was very unlikely to get her involved in scandal or on the wrong side of Trump. DeSantis has been painting her as the next coming of HRC and I do see Clinton like calculations and an ability to make nonsense sound important. She recently sent a tweet that criticized Biden for not getting American hostages released and admonishing that we ought to “demand” their release. Great idea! Perhaps we should also stamp our feet? Reminds me of how, in speeches, Bill Clinton would identify a complex problem like poverty or homelessness in detail then bite his lip, look into the camera and say “we ought to do better”. Brilliant! Down with the worsers, we need better! Haley says Trump was the right president at the time but not now. No real explanation needed apparently. I watch political speech like Kubuki theatre and pay attention to what they actually do or propose to do in detail.

Her best move in the UN job was resigning before Trump got around to firing her -- he fires everybody, sooner or later.

[Jeffrey]

It’s actually pretty simple. If you want a voice in who the Democrats select as their nominee, be a Democrat.

Lord, grant me the strength to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

[Jeffrey]

One is probably causing the other

Yep, I think they’re traveling companions.

[PackMan97]

It’s actually pretty simple. If you want a voice in who the Democrats select as their nominee, be a Democrat.

Or in many states, be an Independent and vote in any one primary.

All of the Independents voters could EASILY swamp either party and determine the winner in the NC primaries.

Registered voters as of today (https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegStat/Results...11%2F25%2F2023)
Democrats: 2,413,710
Republicans: 2,213,969
Independents: 2,683,654

[Skydog]

Or in many states, be an Independent and vote in any one primary.

All of the Independents voters could EASILY swamp either party and determine the winner in the NC primaries.

Registered voters as of today (https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegStat/Results...11%2F25%2F2023)
Democrats: 2,413,710
Republicans: 2,213,969
Independents: 2,683,654

So maybe the states where independents can vote in either party primary can split into two equal size teams. In A states all the independents vote for the same acceptable GOP candidate and in the B states they all vote for the same acceptable Democrat. Voila, problem solved. We will call it the Skydog Plan to Get Better/Younger Candidates!

[lotusland]

It’s actually pretty simple. If you want a voice in who the Democrats select as their nominee, be a Democrat.

Or Bernie.

[burnspbesq]

In case you’re wondering, yes, the defendants are both Republicans.

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/172...852678621?s=61

Funny how the ones screaming the loudest about vote fraud and election interference so often end up under indictment for the very crimes they profess to hate.

Dress rehearsal for 2024? Quien sabe.

[burnspbesq]

Not even Judge Cannon can save him now.

https://x.com/abc/status/1729989440368517457?s=61

[CameronBornAndBred]

Not even Judge Cannon can save him now.

https://x.com/abc/status/1729989440368517457?s=61

Yes she can. She can keep delaying it as she has been. Can't bring evidence to a jury without a trial.

[OldPhiKap]

New HarrisX poll: https://themessenger.com/politics/po...en-exclusive-2

A few things I found of note:

*Trump leads Biden by a bit more than the MOE (46%-42%). No big deal, but I think this is: “Biden and Trump’s support mostly breaks down along partisan lines. Independents, however, tilt towards Trump, 40%-34%, while 25% were undecided.” Biden won over Independents 52%-43% in 2020 by contrast. (source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbre...h=254d57d010ba )

* “In a four-way race with independent candidates Robert F. Kennedy and Dr. Cornel West on the ballot, Trump earned 41%, Biden 33%, Kennedy 13%, and West 2%.” That means that Trump loses 5%, Biden loses 9% and was behind to start.

* While the majority of voters do not want either Trump or Biden to run, Dems have more discontent over Biden than Republicans do about Trump. “Most voters don’t want Biden (67%) or Trump (55%) to seek another four-year term. Forty percent of Democrats say they don’t want Biden to seek another term while 22% of Republicans say they don’t want Trump to run again either.” That points to a pretty sizable enthusiasm gap if these two end up being the nominees.

[PackMan97]

I don't think the Biden discontent will lead to an enthusiasm gap. Trump, Dobbs and other issues will turn out Democrat voters.

They may not want Biden to run again, but they certainly don't want Trump to win.