2024 U.S. Presidential election

[bundabergdevil]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/6-10-trum...164910534.html

Surprised by this. Trump support wide but not deep? Assumed the exact opposite.

[dudog84]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/6-10-trum...164910534.html

Surprised by this. Trump support wide but not deep? Assumed the exact opposite.

Maybe it's a physical/mental description. Like the man himself.

[Bostondevil]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/6-10-trum...164910534.html

Surprised by this. Trump support wide but not deep? Assumed the exact opposite.

I'm not. The hardcore support has always been in the 30-40% range.

[ClemmonsDevil]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/6-10-trum...164910534.html

Surprised by this. Trump support wide but not deep? Assumed the exact opposite.

This is what I had been seeing. He has about 2/3 of the Republican electorate but only about a third locked in. But he's going to win because he doesn't have anyone running against him. So why would those people vote for another candidate at this point?

[bundabergdevil]

I'm not. The hardcore support has always been in the 30-40% range.

Guess I’ve been surprised by his floor of support. Nixon eventually cratered into the 20s. Assumed the same would happen here…granted years ago.

[Bostondevil]

Guess I’ve been surprised by his floor of support. Nixon eventually cratered into the 20s. Assumed the same would happen here…granted years ago.

Taking the US Government down is a feature, not a bug.

[cato]

New NBC News poll today...

Generic Republican 48% (+11)
Joe Biden 37%

Generic Democrat 46% (+6)
Donald Trump 40%

I eagerly await Generic entering the race.

Maybe Joe and Donny read something similar and though it said “Geriatric” not “Generic”.

[burnspbesq]

I realize that that the judge is attempting a nuanced argument and trying to apply the law fairly but saying that Trump can't be expected to be "Miss Manners" is a bit obtuse to this layperson. It has been legally established that Trump instigated an insurrection. The rhetoric is swinging wildly between extremes and it would be helpful if the judge was a little less prone to hyperbole.

In a twisted sense this is a win-win for Trump. He’s going to talk s**t about anyone and anything, all day every day, regardless of whether it’s permitted. If the order disappears, then there’s no reason for him to modify his behavior. If the order is reinstated, there’s no reason for him to modify his behavior, because if he violates the order and consequences ensue, that just reinforces his martyrdom narrative.

[burnspbesq]

A commentator with serious appellate advocacy experience weighs in on today’s argument.

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/ga...m_medium=email

[bundabergdevil]

A poll does normal thing in response to crazy political malfeasance in shock to everyone.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nj-sen-ro...004800555.html

[SouthernDukie]

Taking the US Government down is a feature, not a bug.

That's not a joke (not that you meant it to be). Look at the recent election in Argentina. Javier Milei is a very right-wing, libertarian who ran on a platform of cutting out tons of Govt positions. Right now it seems many nations have populist fever. America is no exception.

[Bostondevil]

That's not a joke (not that you meant it to be). Look at the recent election in Argentina. Javier Milei is a very right-wing, libertarian who ran on a platform of cutting out tons of Govt positions. Right now it seems many nations have populist fever. America is no exception.

I didn't mean it to be.

I have an access to healthcare bias. I view way too much through that prism and I admit it, but smaller government = less access to healthcare and it will widen the rural/urban divide. Rural hospitals are struggling already. More of them will close if there isn't governmental intervention.

[bundabergdevil]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/u...s-threats.html


An underreported trend caused by the attack on our electoral system is the loss of election workers in record numbers.

[PackMan97]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/u...s-threats.html


An underreported trend caused by the attack on our electoral system is the loss of election workers in record numbers.

In my experience, poll workers have always been old. I'm sure that plays a part.

Id volunteer but I hate people and I'm too prone to make stupid jokes. I'm sure I couldn't make it a full day without trying to tell a voter who had on way to much flair for their party that the election is tomorrow and this is just practice today.

[dudog84]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/u...s-threats.html


An underreported trend caused by the attack on our electoral system is the loss of election workers in record numbers.

And take away drop box locations. And limit early voting. Therefore longer lines, less voting. Surprise, the biggest problems will be in urban areas, where there are less Election Day voting locations per person.

If you can't win with your ideas and policies, you have to keep the other side from voting. Especially when thousands of your voters are dying every day (9,480 people died every day in the U.S. (us, get it?) in 2021). Meanwhile, there are more than 8 million newly eligible voters every election cycle (2 years, so that'll be 16 million since the last prez election), mostly young people who believe in women's health care, LBGQT rights, climate change, etc.

There's a tidal wave coming and they'll do anything to stop it. Must keep minority rule at all costs.

[dudog84]

In my experience, poll workers have always been old. I'm sure that plays a part.

A very, very small part. When has this ever happened before? There have always been replacements. What we're seeing is unprecedented, so don't try to make light of this attack on our democracy.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

And take away drop box locations. And limit early voting. Therefore longer lines, less voting. Surprise, the biggest problems will be in urban areas, where there are less Election Day voting locations per person.

If you can't win with your ideas and policies, you have to keep the other side from voting. Especially when thousands of your voters are dying every day (9,480 people died every day in the U.S. (us, get it?) in 2021). Meanwhile, there are more than 8 million newly eligible voters every election cycle (2 years, so that'll be 16 million since the last prez election), mostly young people who believe in women's health care, LBGQT rights, climate change, etc.

There's a tidal wave coming and they'll do anything to stop it. Must keep minority rule at all costs.

I have a neighbor (in her 70s) who has volunteered at the polls for ages. She's having a real conflict about whether it's safe to do so in the upcoming presidential cycle, and I don't blame her.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

And take away drop box locations. And limit early voting. Therefore longer lines, less voting. Surprise, the biggest problems will be in urban areas, where there are less Election Day voting locations per person.

If you can't win with your ideas and policies, you have to keep the other side from voting. Especially when thousands of your voters are dying every day (9,480 people died every day in the U.S. (us, get it?) in 2021). Meanwhile, there are more than 8 million newly eligible voters every election cycle (2 years, so that'll be 16 million since the last prez election), mostly young people who believe in women's health care, LBGQT rights, climate change, etc.

There's a tidal wave coming and they'll do anything to stop it. Must keep minority rule at all costs.

Yup. And the argument that these suppression efforts are to prevent people from voting who shouldn't be is incredibly lame. There is a much, much bigger issue with people who should be voting being unable to than people who shouldn't be voting being able to. I'm sure those who solely get their news from certain sources will get flooded and brainwashed with the one-off examples of someone voting who shouldn't be (and of course they will be doing that in one of the big, bad, blue urban areas even though most of the cases of this being found have happened in red, rural areas). But that is the exception, not the rule.

If those who are constantly looking to play games with the system would actually focus their efforts on helping their fellow Americans (and I mean all fellow Americans, rather than the divisiveness certain politicians seem obsessed with), the world would be a better place.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Yup. And the argument that these suppression efforts are to prevent people from voting who shouldn't be is incredibly lame. There is a much, much bigger issue with people who should be voting being unable to than people who shouldn't be voting being able to. I'm sure those who solely get their news from certain sources will get flooded and brainwashed with the one-off examples of someone voting who shouldn't be (and of course they will be doing that in one of the big, bad, blue urban areas even though most of the cases of this being found have happened in red, rural areas). But that is the exception, not the rule.

If those who are constantly looking to play games with the system would actually focus their efforts on helping their fellow Americans (and I mean all fellow Americans, rather than the divisiveness certain politicians seem obsessed with), the world would be a better place.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Agreed.

Anyone who is an American ought to be outraged by attempts to restrict voting access. This should not be a partisan issue, nor should it be even remotely controversial.

These massive changes to the laws in states are absolutely based on fear-mongering. There is extremely little evidence of voter fraud despite the wave of anxiety around the possibility of it.

It is a absolutely gross and anti-democratic to have these new laws that will 100% restrict voting in some particular communities more than others.

It makes me very angry.

[rsvman]

Every time I have been to the voting booth, they have made me prove my identity using a valid state-issued driver's license. No exceptions. They force me to vote at a certain place, and after I show them my ID, they look up my name on a list of registered voters to make sure I am on it. Then they make a note by my name to show that I have already voted, in case somebody else were to come to that place trying to vote using my name.

Are there places where this is not the case? I guess I don't understand all the angst about people voting who 'shouldn't vote,' given that the process for me has always been rigorous and exact.