NCAAT: tracking the ACC and also the Duke Coaching Family

[BlueDevil2K]

This thread is as good a place as any to track the performances of all the conferences in the NCAA Tournament.

ENTERING ROUND OF 32 (listing only teams still in the field)

6-2 SEC: (1) Alabama, (4) Tennessee, (6) Kentucky, (7) Missouri, (8) Arkansas, (9) Auburn
5-2 Big XII: (1) Kansas, (2) Texas, (3) Baylor, (3) Kansas State, (6) TCU
5-3 Big Ten: (4) Indiana, (7) Northwestern, (7) Michigan State, (8) Maryland, (10) Penn State
4-1 Big East: (2) Marquette, (3) Xavier, (4) Connecticut, (6) Creighton
4-2 ACC*: (5) Duke, (5) Miami, (11) Pittsburgh
2-0 West Coast: (3) Gonzaga, (5) St. Mary's
2-0 Northeast*: (16) Fairleigh Dickinson
2-3 Pac-12*: (2) UCLA
1-0 C-USA: (9) Florida Atlantic
1-0 Ivy: (15) Princeton
1-0 Southern: (13) Furman
1-1 American: (1) Houston
1-3 Mountain West: (5) San Diego State

1-1 Southland*
0-1 America East, Atlantic 10, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Horizon, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Missouri Valley, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC)

* Pittsburgh (ACC) and Fairleigh Dickinson (Northeast) each won a First Four game and are currently 2-0. Arizona State (Pac-12) and Texas A&M Corpus Christi (Southland) went 1-1, winning in Dayton and then getting eliminated in the 1st round.

Overperforming:

Northeast (+1 team)
Ivy (+1)
SoCon (+1)
Conference USA (+1)

Underperforming:

Big Ten (-1)
Pac-12 (-1)
Big XII (-1)
American (-1)

No huge outliers through round 1...

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ENTERING SWEET 16

9-5 SEC: (1) Alabama, (4) Tennessee, (8) Arkansas
7-2 Big East: (3) Xavier, (4) Connecticut, (6) Creighton
7-5 Big XII: (2) Texas, (3) Kansas State
6-7 Big Ten: (7) Michigan State
5-4 ACC*: (5) Miami
3-1 West Coast: (3) Gonzaga
3-3 Pac-12*: (2) UCLA
2-0 C-USA: (9) Florida Atlantic
2-0 Ivy: (15) Princeton
2-1 American: (1) Houston
2-3 Mountain West: (5) San Diego State

2-1 Northeast*
1-1 Southern, Southland*
0-1 America East, Atlantic 10, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Horizon, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Missouri Valley, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC

* Includes First Four wins in Dayton for Pittsburgh (ACC), Fairleigh Dickinson (Northeast), Arizona State (Pac-12) and Texas A&M Corpus Christi (Southland).

[BlueDevil2K]

Overperforming:

Mountain West (+1)
Ivy (+1)
Conference USA (+1)
SEC (+1)

Underperforming:

Big Ten (-1)
Pac-12 (-1)
Big XII (-2)

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ENTERING ELITE 8

9-3 Big East: (4) Connecticut, (6) Creighton
9-5 Big XII: (2) Texas, (3) Kansas State
6-4 ACC*: (5) Miami
4-1 West Coast: (3) Gonzaga
3-0 C-USA: (9) Florida Atlantic
3-3 Mountain West: (5) San Diego State

9-8 SEC
6-8 Big Ten
3-4 Pac-12*
2-1 Ivy
2-1 Northeast*
2-2 American
1-1 Southern, Southland*
0-1 America East, Atlantic 10, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Horizon, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Missouri Valley, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC

* Includes First Four wins in Dayton for Pittsburgh (ACC), Fairleigh Dickinson (Northeast), Arizona State (Pac-12) and Texas A&M Corpus Christi (Southland).

[BlueDevil2K]

Overperforming:

Conference USA (+1) - FAU
Mountain West (+1) - San Diego State
Big East (+1) - Creighton, UConn, but no Marquette
ACC (+1) - Miami
West Coast (+1) - Gonzaga

Underperforming:

SEC (-1) - Alabama
Big Ten (-1) - Purdue
American (-1) - Houston
Pac-12 (-2) - Arizona, UCLA


Cumulatively Through 3 Rounds:

Conference USA (+3)
Mountain West (+2)
Ivy (+2)
Big East (+1)
ACC (+1)
WCC (+1)
SoCon (+1)
Northeast (+1)

Underperforming:

American (-2 and will eventually drop to -4)
Big XII (-3 despite having 2 teams remaining)
Big Ten (-3 and will eventually drop to -4)
Pac-12 (-4)

[SEC will eventually drop to -3]

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This seems as good a thread as any to bring up some Elite Eight storylines, connections, and coincidences:

1. Rodney Terry (Texas) is trying to be the first interim head coach to win a national championship since Steve Fisher did it with Michigan in 1989. Brian Dutcher (head coach of San Diego State) was a Michigan assistant coach that year.

2. Nijel Pack (Miami) transferred out of Kansas State, and now both schools are in the Elite Eight.

3. Florida Atlantic is the second 9 seed to defeat a 16 seed on its way to the Elite Eight. The first to do it? The next opponent, Kansas State, back in 2018.

4. The West Regional final between Connecticut and Gonzaga is a rematch of the 1999 West Regional final. That was a breakthrough year for both of them: Gonzaga was a 10-seed Cinderella in its second-ever tournament appearance, and Connecticut had previously failed to make a Final Four. The Huskies won by 5, but Duke history would be a lot different had Gonzaga won that game.

5. Ryan Nembhard (Creighton) hopes to do as well as his older brother, Andrew Nembhard, who not only played in the Elite Eight with Gonzaga in 2021, but reached the title game. (That Gonzaga team beat Creighton in the Sweet 16.)

[MarkD83]

This seems like the most appropriate thread for this.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...oops-narrative

The ACC wants to change the narrative about ACC basketball with the intent of getting more teams in the NCAA. On this board, we often argue about the best way to rate conferences. My belief is when Jim Phillips and the basketball coaches have this discussion, they first need to define the goal and the metric to try to influence.

It does not matter if success in the NCAA tournament is the best way to judge conferences. If that is your goal it IS the best metric. If reaching this goal means improving NET rankings that this IS the factor that you need to target. (Although Jim Phillips disagrees.) If NET is the factor then changing scheduling to best influence the NET IS the action that needs to be addressed.

For longtime ACC fans (like myself) this may well include giving up the concept of home and home games with preferred competitors. It may mean giving up 20 games a year. It may mean making more opportunities late in the season to schedule non-conference games.

One concept I hope they consider (from the NFL) is to look at the conference standings from the year before and schedule so that the bottom teams play one another more often and the top teams do the same. This potentially gives top teams more chances at Q1/Q2 wins and less chances for bad losses. It also gives the bottom teams more chances to move up the standings.

The other concept is to have "ACC/B10" challenges with non-P6 conferences late in the season. For example a Big East/ ACC challenge in Feb. In addition don't set the match-ups in October. Instead wait to January and then schedule 1 vs 1; 2 v 2 etc in large venues, such as 7-8 games in Charlotte over multiple days and 7-8 games in MSG.

Perhaps Jim should give me a call and invite me to the meetings

[DukieInBrasil]

Miami carries the ACC banner into the Final 4!
As pointed out elsewhere, Miami is guaranteed to lose shockingly little from this year's iteration of the Canes. Wong and Poplar may test the waters, i honestly have no idea how much the NBA values them. Miami could be reaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyy good next year if they keep everyone who's eligible.

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ENTERING FINAL FOUR

10-4 Big East: (4) Connecticut
7-4 ACC*: (5) Miami
4-0 C-USA: (9) Florida Atlantic
4-3 Mountain West: (5) San Diego State

9-7 Big XII
9-8 SEC
6-8 Big Ten
4-2 West Coast
3-4 Pac-12*
2-1 Ivy
2-1 Northeast*
2-2 American
1-1 Southern, Southland*
0-1 America East, Atlantic 10, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Horizon, MAAC, MAC, MEAC, Missouri Valley, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Summit, Sun Belt, SWAC, WAC

* Includes First Four wins in Dayton for Pittsburgh (ACC), Fairleigh Dickinson (Northeast), Arizona State (Pac-12) and Texas A&M Corpus Christi (Southland).

[CDu]

Miami carries the ACC banner into the Final 4!
As pointed out elsewhere, Miami is guaranteed to lose shockingly little from this year's iteration of the Canes. Wong and Poplar may test the waters, i honestly have no idea how much the NBA values them. Miami could be reaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyy good next year if they keep everyone who's eligible.

And they will undoubtedly bring in the top transfer (or multiple transfers) available this summer thanks to LifeWallet guy’s deep pockets.

[-jk]

And they will undoubtedly bring in the top transfer (or multiple transfers) available this summer thanks to LifeWallet guy’s deep pockets.

Yep. That's the landscape we compete in now.

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[Phredd3]

And they will undoubtedly bring in the top transfer (or multiple transfers) available this summer thanks to LifeWallet guy’s deep pockets.

I'm glad it's SDSU in the FF and not UCSC. Somebody's a bit salty today.

[CDu]

I'm glad it's SDSU in the FF and not UCSC. Somebody's a bit salty today.

I just have no love for Miami.

[dukelifer]

Miami carries the ACC banner into the Final 4!
As pointed out elsewhere, Miami is guaranteed to lose shockingly little from this year's iteration of the Canes. Wong and Poplar may test the waters, i honestly have no idea how much the NBA values them. Miami could be reaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyy good next year if they keep everyone who's eligible.

Miller and Wong are going to leave. That is not a loss of little.

[SavDukeGrad]

Miller and Wong are going to leave. That is not a loss of little.

Wong has another year of eligibility, if he chooses to come back.

[BlueDevil2K]

Overperforming:

Conference USA (+1) - FAU
Mountain West (+1) - San Diego State
Big East (+1) - UConn
ACC (+1) - Miami

Underperforming:

SEC (-1) - Alabama
Big 10 (-1) - Purdue
American (-1) - Houston
Big XII (-1) - Kansas


Cumulatively Through 4 Rounds:

Overperforming:

Conference USA (+4)
Mountain West (+3)
Big East (+2)
ACC (+2)
Ivy (+2)
WCC (+1)
SoCon (+1)
Northeast (+1)

Underperforming:

SEC (-1, and will eventually drop to -3)
American (-3 and will eventually drop to -4)
Big XII (-4)
Big Ten (-4)
Pac-12 (-4)

[Bay Area Duke Fan]

Overperforming:

Conference USA (+1) - FAU
Mountain West (+1) - San Diego State
Big East (+1) - UConn
ACC (+1) - Miami

Underperforming:

SEC (-1) - Alabama
Big 10 (-1) - Purdue
American (-1) - Houston
Big XII (-1) - Kansas


Cumulatively Through 4 Rounds:

Overperforming:

Conference USA (+4)
Mountain West (+3)
Big East (+2)
ACC (+2)
Ivy (+2)
WCC (+1)
SoCon (+1)
Northeast (+1)

Underperforming:

SEC (-1, and will eventually drop to -3)
American (-3 and will eventually drop to -4)
Big XII (-4)
Big Ten (-4)
Pac-12 (-4)

Teams without future NBA stars are dominating. It's the wave of the future for the NCAA. Team basketball played by student-athletes.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Teams without future NBA stars are dominating. It's the wave of the future for the NCAA. Team basketball played by student-athletes.

Just makes sense. Future NBA stars have too many distractions and too much money due to NIL. I don't know why we didn't see this sooner.

[JasonEvans]

Miller and Wong are going to leave. That is not a loss of little.

Miller is a 5th year senior. He is done with college. Wong has a decision to make, that's for sure.

Miller is considered the #87 prospect on ESPN's list of the top 100 prospects (not taking into account who declares or not) and Wong is the #93 prospect. Now, it is possible that with their performances in the tourney, each player could rise in those rankings but they are still a long way from being likely draft picks, let alone sniffing first round guaranteed money. Will Wong give up his last year of Lifewallet money to try the draft? That will be one of the big questions for the ACC offseason.

[dukelifer]

Miller is a 5th year senior. He is done with college. Wong has a decision to make, that's for sure.

Miller is considered the #87 prospect on ESPN's list of the top 100 prospects (not taking into account who declares or not) and Wong is the #93 prospect. Now, it is possible that with their performances in the tourney, each player could rise in those rankings but they are still a long way from being likely draft picks, let alone sniffing first round guaranteed money. Will Wong give up his last year of Lifewallet money to try the draft? That will be one of the big questions for the ACC offseason.

Not sure I understand why Wong is not viewed as a pro. Yes he is old, but the guy can score the ball. That is a valuable skill set. I am hoping he catches someone’s eye- but otherwise he will be the Lifewallet spokesperson.