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    Alabama star Brandon Miller invovled in murder investigation

    Whoa... this is gonna blow up!

    Brandon Miller, a potential first team All-American and the best player on #1 ranked Alabama apparently provided the gun used in a murder.

    https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/dari...source=twitter

    Alabama’s freshman basketball standout Brandon Miller brought the gun used on the Tuscaloosa strip killing of a woman that led to capital murder charges for his now former teammate Darius Miles and 20-year-old Michael “Buzz” Davis, according to law enforcement testimony today.

    Miles contacted Miller and asked him to bring his gun to where they were, according to police.

    When Miller got to the scene, Miles told Davis, “The heat is in the hat.” Det. Branden Culpepper said that meant a gun was present.

    Miles added, “There’s one in the head.” That, Culpepper said, meant a round was in the chamber.
    Meanwhile, Nate Oats thinks this is no big deal.

    Alabama coach Nate Oats said Tuesday that Miller is “not in any trouble” as a result of his alleged involvement.

    “We knew about that. Can’t control everything everybody does outside of practice. Nobody knew that was going to happen. College kids are out, Brandon hasn’t been in any type of trouble nor is he in any type of trouble in this case. Wrong spot at the wrong time,” Oats said.
    "Bring a gun" isn't an invitation for trouble!?!? Whew...
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    ^Iíve been trying to respond but that whole story and coachís reaction has me speechlessÖ
    Last edited by AGDukesky; 02-21-2023 at 03:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Whoa... this is gonna blow up!

    Brandon Miller, a potential first team All-American and the best player on #1 ranked Alabama apparently provided the gun used in a murder.

    https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/dari...source=twitter



    Meanwhile, Nate Oats thinks this is no big deal.



    "Bring a gun" isn't an invitation for trouble!?!? Whew...
    How is this not even a story on ESPN yet?!?!

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    [QUOTE=bshrader;1569114]How is this not even a story on

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    [QUOTE=ChrisP;1569115]
    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    How is this not even a story on

    I started to post about this earlier, but figured it was such a big story that surely, someone else that already beat me to the punch and I had just missed it up thread. Frankly, I am completely astounded at the coaches' blasť attitude about this situation.

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    As I recall, Miles, who was charged with murder, was referred to as a former member of the team before the articles were even written about the shooting. But of course, he wasnít much of a contributor to the team.

    But Brandon Miller is the best freshman in the country and star of the team. So thereís nothing to see here, according to Nate Oats.

    It appears as though Oats will do nothing to jeopardize his chances at a national championship, which run through Brandon Miller. Unless the university or law enforcement take the decision out of his hands.

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    Wow

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Whoa... this is gonna blow up!

    Brandon Miller, a potential first team All-American and the best player on #1 ranked Alabama apparently provided the gun used in a murder.

    https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/dari...source=twitter

    Meanwhile, Nate Oats thinks this is no big deal.

    "Bring a gun" isn't an invitation for trouble!?!? Whew...
    Amazing, especially Oats's reaction.

    Of course, as Groucho told us, in Alabama the Tuscaloosa.

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    Maybe it is just me, but if someone says, "I need you to come over here and bring your gun," the smart response is, "Nope."

    If Nate Oats had a brain, he would be talking about "internal discipline" and "teaching Brandon important lessons he will need for the rest of his life" and stuff that at least makes it sound like Miller has faced some sort of punishment and learned some sort of lesson. "Wrong place, wrong time" is just the lamest response possible and a great way for Oats to blow this thing up into an even bigger story.
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Maybe it is just me, but if someone says, "I need you to come over here and bring your gun," the smart response is, "Nope."

    If Nate Oats had a brain, he would be talking about "internal discipline" and "teaching Brandon important lessons he will need for the rest of his life" and stuff that at least makes it sound like Miller has faced some sort of punishment and learned some sort of lesson. "Wrong place, wrong time" is just the lamest response possible and a great way for Oats to blow this thing up into an even bigger story.
    I dont know Alabama law, but I'm wondering if your firearm is used in the commission of a felony, is that a crime in the state of Alabama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    I dont know Alabama law, but I'm wondering if your firearm is used in the commission of a felony, is that a crime in the state of Alabama?
    The way I read the story, Miller was bringing Miles' own gun to him (Miles).

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    Ok, the replies are coming fast and furious enough so that this needs its own thread and not just be lumped in with Other People's Basketball...
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisP View Post
    The way I read the story, Miller was bringing Miles' own gun to him (Miles).
    Oh, well in that case allow me to revise my earlier comment...

    Maybe it is just me, but if someone says, "I need you to come over here and bring my gun," the smart response is, "Nope.".
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Per the District Attorney, according to the article, there is "nothing" they can charge Miller with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    Per the District Attorney, according to the article, there is "nothing" they can charge Miller with.
    I could be wrong but wouldn't it be 'aiding in the act of' or 'conspiracy to commit' a felony, in this case a murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    I could be wrong but wouldn't it be 'aiding in the act of' or 'conspiracy to commit' a felony, in this case a murder?
    Maybe not for a star athlete in Tuscaloosa?

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    I guess in Alabama you can't be an accessory before the fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    I could be wrong but wouldn't it be 'aiding in the act of' or 'conspiracy to commit' a felony, in this case a murder?
    I am not a criminal attorney, but last time I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, I slept next to one.

    This would not be a conspiracy in CA based not the reported facts. To have a conspiracy, you have to have an agreement to commit a crime and acts in furtherance of the agreement.

    Miller got his friendís gun upon request. Nothing in the reporting suggests that Miller was part of an agreement to commit a crime. So no conspiracy.

    I donít know what ďaiding in the act ofĒ would be, but there could be any number of lawful reasons his friend wanted his gun, so merely bringing the gun at his friendís request would not by itself aid in the act of a crime. No intent.
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    A prosecutor would need to have some presentable evidence that Miller was aware that his buddy intended to commit a crime with the gun to be guilty of aiding and abetting. Something as simple as 'bring me my gun so I scare that punk' would make him an accessory to unlawful use of a firearm - which is a felony and in turn subjects him to felony murder prosecution. But the prosecutor needs to have something to hang his hat on wrt his buddies intent.

    I of course have no idea what Miller did or did not know when he brought the gun so I am agnostic as to whether he is or is not a criminal.

    (As a public defender I saw one of my friend's clients get life without parole for driving the car thinking his buddy was gonna beat up a guy - his buddy killed the guy so the client got convicted of acting in concert on the murder. Turned down 18yrs, will die in prison. The kid told the cops his buddy said he was gonna teach the guy a lesson. His own statement to the police was the knowledge of criminal intent that he was aiding.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    I could be wrong but wouldn't it be 'aiding in the act of' or 'conspiracy to commit' a felony, in this case a murder?

    Only if you can show that Miller had actual knowledge that Miles was going to use it in a crime. It certainly can be inferred, but I doubt there will be any evidence ​that Miller knew anything other than his friend wanted a weapon he was legally entitled to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisP View Post
    The way I read the story, Miller was bringing Miles' own gun to him (Miles).
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Oh, well in that case allow me to revise my earlier comment...

    Maybe it is just me, but if someone says, "I need you to come over here and bring my gun," the smart response is, "Nope.".
    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    Per the District Attorney, according to the article, there is "nothing" they can charge Miller with.
    I am far outside the "gun community" but it does seem like if somebody asks for their own gun BACK (and doesn't specify why), I don't see why you wouldn't do that. They own the gun, it's theirs. The part that would raise the eyebrow is why Miller had Miles gun to begin with? Not giving the gun back. I think that this probably won't turn into anything based on these facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBlue View Post
    I could be wrong but wouldn't it be 'aiding in the act of' or 'conspiracy to commit' a felony, in this case a murder?
    Not if it was Miles gun to begin with as someone said upthread and Miller was returning it to him. Miller didn't supply (read: purchase and own) the gun. He possessed Miles' gun for a period (I don't know why).

    Edited to add: I should have read article. I didn't realize he was at the scene at the time the crime was committed. Probably doesn't change criminal "Facts" but certainly LOOKS bad. And based on what Miller said...sheesh. Sounds like he sure knew what it was going to be used for. "Wrong place wrong time" is a joke. Definitely not a laughing matter.
    Last edited by Bluedog; 02-21-2023 at 03:57 PM.

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