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    Duke/ACC/National WBB for 2022-23 Season

    Starting a new collective thread for discussion of women's basketball across the ACC and the nation. We'll have separate game-specific threads for the Duke women's games.
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    I still think we need a dedicated DWBB thread for news that is not strictly game-related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    I still think we need a dedicated DWBB thread for news that is not strictly game-related.
    As with the men's team, if the news is sufficiently significant, then a standalone thread can be created. If it's a discussion of Duke's position in the conference or national scene, then I'd recommend putting it in the ACC/NCAA thread. If it's relatively trivial news, I would put it in the thread about the next women's game.

    I just felt it was a disservice to the women's team to lump all discussion of WBB (Duke, ACC, and NCAA) into one season-long thread. The thread was already up over 700 posts, and it wasn't January yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBDuke View Post
    As with the men's team, if the news is sufficiently significant, then a standalone thread can be created. If it's a discussion of Duke's position in the conference or national scene, then I'd recommend putting it in the ACC/NCAA thread. If it's relatively trivial news, I would put it in the thread about the next women's game.

    I just felt it was a disservice to the women's team to lump all discussion of WBB (Duke, ACC, and NCAA) into one season-long thread. The thread was already up over 700 posts, and it wasn't January yet.
    Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    I still think we need a dedicated DWBB thread for news that is not strictly game-related.
    Exaclty. It was the perfect thread to keep up with injury reports, progressions, general news and transfer/recruiting info.

    Now DWBB has been lessened, and lumped in with every other team in the country. Disrespectful and a really bad idea.
    As far as other teams, it's just as simple to leave the DWBB thread, and then have one that is simply for everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    Exaclty. It was the perfect thread to keep up with injury reports, progressions, general news and transfer/recruiting info.

    Now DWBB has been lessened, and lumped in with every other team in the country. Disrespectful and a really bad idea.
    As far as other teams, it's just as simple to leave the DWBB thread, and then have one that is simply for everyone else.
    Yeah, that was my initial reaction. CB&B just explained it better (much) than I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    Exaclty. It was the perfect thread to keep up with injury reports, progressions, general news and transfer/recruiting info.

    Now DWBB has been lessened, and lumped in with every other team in the country. Disrespectful and a really bad idea.
    As far as other teams, it's just as simple to leave the DWBB thread, and then have one that is simply for everyone else.
    Having a separate discussion of each game (exactly how we handle things with the men's team) is disrespectful... got it. The best way to show respect for our own team is to treat them the same as 350+ other teams and limit conversation about them to only one thread so they take up as little space as possible on the main DBR forum. Yup, that makes perfect sense. [/snark]

    The old thread about the entire nation of women's hoops had over 700 posts in it. Anyone who might be suddenly engaged about the Duke team and interested in talking about them would face a daunting task keeping up. JB's decision to have threads dedicated to Duke games and to national teams/trends is respectful and well-reasoned. Your criticism is poorly placed, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Having a separate discussion of each game (exactly how we handle things with the men's team) is disrespectful... got it. The best way to show respect for our own team is to treat them the same as 350+ other teams and limit conversation about them to only one thread so they take up as little space as possible on the main DBR forum. Yup, that makes perfect sense. [/snark]

    The old thread about the entire nation of women's hoops had over 700 posts in it. Anyone who might be suddenly engaged about the Duke team and interested in talking about them would face a daunting task keeping up. JB's decision to have threads dedicated to Duke games and to national teams/trends is respectful and well-reasoned. Your criticism is poorly placed, IMO.

    Go Duke! Kara's Killers!!
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    Jim Sumner's review of last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    Please remember that next year when the Duke football, Duke lacrosse, Duke baseball, and other Duke specific sports threads are introduced. In fact, might as well shut the LAX and baseball ones down now, since they were already started. I guess softball, also.

    If you are going to make bad decisions, at least do them consistently.
    So, you're saying that consistency across the years is more important than evolving to meet the needs of the DBR community? I think that's not what folks want around here. As this community's interest (and thus board traffic) changes over time, the boards and threads need to evolve to align to those interests, as long as they stay within the bounds provided by the site's owners and admins. While interest and traffic in discussing men's basketball is the foundation here, interest and traffic in discussing other Duke sports has waxed and waned, and how we treat those sports on these boards needs to change in response. The resurgence in Duke football's success and in the women's team's success (so far) this year has meant much more discussion and interest on these boards, and so the threads need to change in response to that renewed interest. As I noted in a previous response, the Football thread became too broad and cumbersome to meet the needs of the community this year, so we'll plan to do something different moving forward. The WBB thread was headed in the same direction, so I chose to act sooner rather than later.
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    Duke is #2 in the RPI!!! <ducks to avoid darts from a certain sector >
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBDuke View Post
    So, you're saying that consistency across the years is more important than evolving to meet the needs of the DBR community? I think that's not what folks want around here. As this community's interest (and thus board traffic) changes over time, the boards and threads need to evolve to align to those interests, as long as they stay within the bounds provided by the site's owners and admins. While interest and traffic in discussing men's basketball is the foundation here, interest and traffic in discussing other Duke sports has waxed and waned, and how we treat those sports on these boards needs to change in response. The resurgence in Duke football's success and in the women's team's success (so far) this year has meant much more discussion and interest on these boards, and so the threads need to change in response to that renewed interest. As I noted in a previous response, the Football thread became too broad and cumbersome to meet the needs of the community this year, so we'll plan to do something different moving forward. The WBB thread was headed in the same direction, so I chose to act sooner rather than later.
    I kinda understand your reasoning, but I think 90% of the "broad and cumbersome" problem is solved by splitting out the game threads.

    Also, it's a mistake to equate football to women's basketball. There's only one school in the country where the interest is even close, and that's UConn. That's because their women have been the undisputed premier program for a quarter century while their football team sucks. Just the way it is, interest in men's vs. women's sports, especially football.

    Simple solution: change the name of the thread. There is very, very little discussion of non-Duke WBB around here. Any such news has been gladly accepted (well, at least not spurned) in the DWBB thread. If there's news about one of our players, or Jadyn Donovan or on next year's recruiting, it fits comfortably in the DWBB thread. It's extremely rare to see comments/articles about other team's players or recruits around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    I kinda understand your reasoning, but I think 90% of the "broad and cumbersome" problem is solved by splitting out the game threads.

    Also, it's a mistake to equate football to women's basketball. There's only one school in the country where the interest is even close, and that's UConn. That's because their women have been the undisputed premier program for a quarter century while their football team sucks. Just the way it is, interest in men's vs. women's sports, especially football.

    Simple solution: change the name of the thread. There is very, very little discussion of non-Duke WBB around here. Any such news has been gladly accepted (well, at least not spurned) in the DWBB thread. If there's news about one of our players, or Jadyn Donovan or on next year's recruiting, it fits comfortably in the DWBB thread. It's extremely rare to see comments/articles about other team's players or recruits around here.
    Hear, hear! Dudog explained it better than I could. Also, the number of posters on this board that join in the DWBB thread is a small fraction of the overall population. Trust me, those trying to "keep up", are caught up.
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    One last point, and then I'll shut up (at least for a bit ). Just try changing the Duke Lax or Duke Soccer (baseball, golf, etc. etc.) threads to ACC/national threads. I'm quite sure the contributors there will have the same (if not more heated) response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    Please remember that next year when the Duke football, Duke lacrosse, Duke baseball, and other Duke specific sports threads are introduced. In fact, might as well shut the LAX and baseball ones down now, since they were already started. I guess softball, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    One last point, and then I'll shut up (at least for a bit ). Just try changing the Duke Lax or Duke Soccer (baseball, golf, etc. etc.) threads to ACC/national threads. I'm quite sure the contributors there will have the same (if not more heated) response.
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    Thread title changed to reflect Duke more directly. Good suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    the number of posters on this board that join in the DWBB thread is a small fraction of the overall population. Trust me, those trying to "keep up", are caught up.
    I dearly hope that folks who are not regular WBB fans are starting to pay more attention. After last night, I would expect the number of folks expressing interest in the WBB ACC standings and NET rankings and other stuff like that has increased significantly. By cleaning things up a bit, we have given the "newbies" a better launching off point.

    The changes have been made out of a desire to bring as many Duke fans as possible to the women's game, not to maintain the status quo for the die-hards who are already connected to the women's game.
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Thread title changed to reflect Duke more directly. Good suggestion.



    I dearly hope that folks who are not regular WBB fans are starting to pay more attention. After last night, I would expect the number of folks expressing interest in the WBB ACC standings and NET rankings and other stuff like that has increased significantly. By cleaning things up a bit, we have given the "newbies" a better launching off point.

    The changes have been made out of a desire to bring as many Duke fans as possible to the women's game, not to maintain the status quo for the die-hards who are already connected to the women's game.
    On that point, I most definitely agree. Thanks for the title change.
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    Two fun takeaways from today's AP poll.

    Duke was one of the the teams to knock off a top-10 squad last week, beating the Wolfpack. The Blue Devils entered the poll at No. 19. They are off to a 13-1 start with the lone loss coming against UConn. Kara Lawson's team is 3-0 in conference play for the first time since 2013-14 and is off to its best in six years.

    FALLING TAR HEELS

    North Carolina has lost three straight games and fallen to No. 22 in the poll after dropping contests to Florida State and Virginia Tech. The Tar Heels, who were sixth in the Top 25 two weeks ago, will try end the slide against Miami on Thursday.
    GTHC, Go Canes
    https://www.espn.com/womens-college-...-1st-ap-top-25
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    Crikey! Duke has moved to a #3 seed (and therefore hosting games) in bracketology.

    Meanwhile, this thread slipped to the 2nd page. Mods, seriously, please take "/ACC/National" off the title of the thread. It's stupid. I don't believe there is a single regular contributor on DWBB issues who agrees with the decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    Crikey! Duke has moved to a #3 seed (and therefore hosting games) in bracketology.

    Meanwhile, this thread slipped to the 2nd page. Mods, seriously, please take "/ACC/National" off the title of the thread. It's stupid. I don't believe there is a single regular contributor on DWBB issues who agrees with the decision.
    Agreed to the thread title, and that's great news about the 3rd seed. I knew we'd move, but that's a huge jump from the previous 6 or 7.

    We're still top 10 in the NET, too. Even though we won, we actually dropped a spot to 8, and even though they lost (again!), the Heels moved from 31 to the top 25. Still, I think the NET rankings are a much better metric of where we stand than the national polls are.
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