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    MBB: Duke 56, Purdue 75 Post-Game Thread

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    First and foremost, I’m extremely proud of this team. They fought. It could’ve gotten very ugly very early, and these guys played with pride.

    Second, let’s please not panic. Purdue is the worst-case scenario for a team to face with little prep time (especially when, let’s be honest, we were probably getting ready for Gonzaga subconsciously). They’re so damn unique, and Edey is insane. They’re a really good team.

    Third, let’s please not overreact about Lively. He’s young, he’s coming back from injury, and this was the exact worst case matchup for him. He’s going to get better and better as the year goes on.

    On a positive note, we saw the player Proctor could be today. We need him to be a creator, and he showed more glimpses of that today. Also, Jeremy continued showing he’s an offensive force, and seems to be no worse for wear from the injury (fingers crossed).

    How we come back on Wednesday will say a lot about this team. If we can perform well, that’ll say something for our resilience. If this team has that, the sky is still the limit, because we’re only going to get better.
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    Purdue is really good. I had not seen them play before today.

    Weíve got a ways to go, obviously, but I appreciated the teamís tenacity in the 2nd half. Definitely encouraged by Proctorís performance. Weíve got to find some consistent shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    First and foremost, Iím extremely proud of this team. They fought. It couldíve gotten very ugly very early, and these guys played with pride.

    Second, letís please not panic. Purdue is the worst-case scenario for a team to face with little prep time (especially when, letís be honest, we were probably getting ready for Gonzaga subconsciously). Theyíre so damn unique, and Edey is insane. Theyíre a really good team.

    Third, letís please not overreact about Lively. Heís young, heís coming back from injury, and this was the exact worst case matchup for him. Heís going to get better and better as the year goes on.

    On a positive note, we saw the player Proctor could be today. We need him to be a creator, and he showed more glimpses of that today. Also, Jeremy continued showing heís an offensive force, and seems to be no worse for wear from the injury (fingers crossed).

    How we come back on Wednesday will say a lot about this team. If we can perform well, thatíll say something for our resilience. If this team has that, the sky is still the limit, because weíre only going to get better.
    I agree with all of these points. Proctorís play was a definite silver lining in my view. This team really needs to establish an effective offensive identity and approach, and Proctor and Whitehead are arguably the keys to that.

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    The switch to zone by Coach Scheyer and staff really got Duke back into the game. I think Duke cut the lead to 6 at one point in the 2nd half and it was still very much anyoneís game. I was glad to see Roach return from injury and I hope he is ok going forward. Roach, Proctor, and Flip had good games offensively but as a team Duke shot just 2-19 from 3. Duke was also out rebounded 42-32 and out assisted 17 to 8. Purdue is a good team and Edey is a lot to handle in the post. Hopefully, the young guys can learn from this and be better for it going forward. Tough game overall but a lot of season left and Duke still has a high ceiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    First and foremost, Iím extremely proud of this team. They fought. It couldíve gotten very ugly very early, and these guys played with pride.

    Second, letís please not panic. Purdue is the worst-case scenario for a team to face with little prep time (especially when, letís be honest, we were probably getting ready for Gonzaga subconsciously). Theyíre so damn unique, and Edey is insane. Theyíre a really good team.

    Third, letís please not overreact about Lively. Heís young, heís coming back from injury, and this was the exact worst case matchup for him. Heís going to get better and better as the year goes on.

    On a positive note, we saw the player Proctor could be today. We need him to be a creator, and he showed more glimpses of that today. Also, Jeremy continued showing heís an offensive force, and seems to be no worse for wear from the injury (fingers crossed).

    How we come back on Wednesday will say a lot about this team. If we can perform well, thatíll say something for our resilience. If this team has that, the sky is still the limit, because weíre only going to get better.
    I am in full agreement with this post. There were a couple of possessions where Duke could have cut the lead to 5. They fought hard to get to that position in this game.

    Iím glad that Jeremy looked good after the foot issue.

    I also liked the zone.

    I hope Jon can teach ĎĎem up before Wednesday

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    Glad we were able to trim the deficit to make it at least somewhat competitive before Purdue pulled away for good. Our offense is pretty disjointed though, at least against quality opponents. Saw some good things from Proctor, Flip was relatively quiet, and Roach fought but wasn't 100% after getting banged up. Nobody else really did anything. The zone defense was effective even though it did cost us rebounding.

    It's tough to continue to be patient but Whitehead and Lively just need more time to make up for all they lost in the preseason. Unfortunately it may not be until the Christmas break that they are fully up to speed.

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    Firstly, Purdue is good. Theyíre better than 4th to 6th best in the B10 that people initially thought.

    Really, really concerned with two very, very horrendous offensive performances this long weekend. We do not have outside shooting consistency of any kind yet, and we lack real shotmakers. Whitehead might be one, but heís a ways off right now from that. Flip could be one too, but heís still catching up to the speed of the college game, and Iíd wish heíd stop flopping around the floor.

    The next poll will be indicative of where we truly are. Probably between 12 and 15 right now.

    I love our effort on defense, and we should have gone zone earlier. But Iím really concerned about our offense going forward.

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    Just hoping Jeremy's foot is OK. I'll take the L.

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    Two things. Glad Roach is ok . A statistic that does not lie,one point in the last 8 minutes. We need to score points.Purdue is a good team, but they made Duke look bad today. Zone defense helped,but this was a poor performance by Duke. Time to give Lively and Whitehead the green light to play.

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    2 for 19 from three and outrebounded 41-28. Thatís the statistical story of the game. Purdue was the better team today but I was very impressed with our heart as we tried to come back in the second half. Thatís my takeaway from this game. We do need to shoot better. Guys have to learn what a good shot is for each one of them and what a good shot is in the context of the game. Some of our misses were good shots and others were not. Credit Purdueís defense somewhat but thatís part of what we need to learn during the next few weeks.

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    College hoops is a three point contest and this team canít shoot

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    Call me crazy but I thought we played okay. Offense created a number of decent looks but couldn't make a 3. Purdue was uniquely situated to take away our greatest offensive strength - offensive rebounding.

    Defensively, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do with Edey. Especially with the way the game was officiated. Purdue played a nearly perfect offensive game, save for that lull midway through the second half. I don't think anybody dy in CBB was beating Purdue today.

    This team is a work in progress. I saw some progress this weekend. On to the next one.

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    I was not able to watch but followed on Gamecast. Was this just an issue of the team not shooting well from behind the arc? It seems Proctor and Roach played well. Would have liked to see more assists but when you only go 2-17 that probably contributes to low assist numbers. Also, Purdue only being 24 is a joke, so losing to a good team is not a cause for alarm.

    The issue for the team seems to be an offensive identity. I'd like to see them get Mitchell and Whitehead more involved. As for Lively, I just don't think he'll be an impact player. Which is not to say he can't contribute, of course.

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    I haven't watched every team play this year, but Purdue looked like the best team in the country the way they played today. They are going to be a tough out in March. I'm not sure what else you say other than Purdue is vastly better at this point in the season. Good news for Duke is...it's still November and not March. I would think Duke will improve at a much greater rate than a team like Purdue will as the season marches on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    The switch to zone by Coach Scheyer and staff really got Duke back into the game. I think Duke cut the lead to 6 at one point in the 2nd half and it was still very much anyoneís game. I was glad to see Roach return from injury and I hope he is ok going forward. Roach, Proctor, and Flip had good games offensively but as a team Duke shot just 2-19 from 3. Duke was also out rebounded 42-32 and out assisted 17 to 8. Purdue is a good team and Edey is a lot to handle in the post. Hopefully, the young guys can learn from this and be better for it going forward. Tough game overall but a lot of season left and Duke still has a high ceiling.
    100% agreed, knew I forgot something in my post

    Iím also encouraged by some of the coaching moves weíve seen from Scheyer of late, including the shift to the 2-3. We forget, just like our players should get better as the season goes on, so should our coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    First and foremost, Iím extremely proud of this team. They fought. It couldíve gotten very ugly very early, and these guys played with pride.

    Second, letís please not panic. Purdue is the worst-case scenario for a team to face with little prep time (especially when, letís be honest, we were probably getting ready for Gonzaga subconsciously). Theyíre so damn unique, and Edey is insane. Theyíre a really good team.

    Third, letís please not overreact about Lively. Heís young, heís coming back from injury, and this was the exact worst case matchup for him. Heís going to get better and better as the year goes on.

    On a positive note, we saw the player Proctor could be today. We need him to be a creator, and he showed more glimpses of that today. Also, Jeremy continued showing heís an offensive force, and seems to be no worse for wear from the injury (fingers crossed).

    How we come back on Wednesday will say a lot about this team. If we can perform well, thatíll say something for our resilience. If this team has that, the sky is still the limit, because weíre only going to get better.
    Lively is fine- but he is not going to transform into a double double guy. He is too limited at O right now- no little jump hook- no footwork to get him baskets. Whitehead may start having big games but maybe it will take a couple months. Until then- this team will struggle against experienced team. Purdue crushed Gonzaga so they are clearly a good team. Edey is unique. This team might not have enough to be elite. Time will tell.

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    Three point shooting

    For the three games, Duke shot 5/29 (17%), 5/11 (46%), and 2/19 (11%).

    For the season Proctor is 5/32 (16%).

    That should give the team something to work on during the break.

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    We got beat at the three-point line. We may be saying this quite a few times this year.
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    We are now 299 in three point shooting according to Kenpom. We will lose quite a few more games if this trend continues.

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