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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I have no interest in rehashing the discussion.

    I'd say we all are unanimous in wishing Baker the best.
    To be fair, your comment opened the rehash.

    But I agree, we can leave it there, and wish Baker the best.

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    Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    Didn’t Baker redshirt one year at Duke or am I confusing him with someone else?
    You're thinking of Grayson Allen, maybe. No, wait, K burned his redshirt in 2015. Too bad. Imagine how he would have been as a fifth year senior!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumbomoop View Post
    [Imported from Reeves thread]



    The Baker-Boeheim contrast is interesting and perhaps useful in understanding the Baker enigma. I agree with CDu that there should have been little reason why Baker didn’t develop while Boeheim did, but maybe there were 3 big reasons:

    1. Boeheim’s footwork improved sufficiently so he became a “ready” shooter. Baker, in contrast, needed an extra second most of the time.
    2. Boeheim developed a dependable — not to say excellent — handle. In 4 years, Baker’s handle improved minimally. Did Baker work diligently on this, but simply could not master this essential perimeter skill?
    3. Because Boeheim played in the Cuse zone, his (presumed) deficiencies on D were hidden. Baker couldn't hide, and so was a marked liability on D, limiting his minutes.
    And #4, Boeheim's dad was the head coach, while Baker's dad only came to games.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by MChambers View Post
    You're thinking of Grayson Allen, maybe. No, wait, K burned his redshirt in 2015. Too bad. Imagine how he would have been as a fifth year senior!
    I’m pleased Grayson’s redshirt was burned in 2015😀

  5. #85
    Henry Coleman and Texa A&M playing Kentucky on ESPN. Not a Buzz fan, but would like to see Coleman do well and KY lose. HC has 8 early points with 5 rebounds (he averages 10 and 6).

  6. #86
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    Henry Coleman and Texa A&M playing Kentucky on ESPN. Not a Buzz fan, but would like to see Coleman do well and KY lose. HC has 8 early points with 5 rebounds (he averages 10 and 6).
    This might be one of the few games when I can pull for Buzz.

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    Joey Baker’s about to get a chance to make a major impact for Michigan: Jett Howard has gone down with an ankle injury and is out for the second half against Minnesota. Baker started the second half

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    Joey Baker’s about to get a chance to make a major impact for Michigan: Jett Howard has gone down with an ankle injury and is out for the second half against Minnesota. Baker started the second half
    This didn't age well, apparently: https://twitter.com/roundballpod/sta...39324646412289

    He was trending on twitter, not for a good thing. Missed a wide open layup off a steal which Minn converted for a 3. Lots of rough comments including

    "Joey Baker missing a wide open layup and it leading to a Minnesota three sums up the whole season"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwillfan View Post
    This didn't age well, apparently: https://twitter.com/roundballpod/sta...39324646412289

    He was trending on twitter, not for a good thing. Missed a wide open layup off a steal which Minn converted for a 3. Lots of rough comments including

    "Joey Baker missing a wide open layup and it leading to a Minnesota three sums up the whole season"
    Ugh. To be fair I was just following the game on Gametracker since I assumed Michigan wouldn’t have trouble with the worst team in the B1G at home. I was mistaken… the Wolverines just aren’t very good haha
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    Joey starting for the injured Jett Howard for Michigan against No. 1 Purdue right now. The Wolverines will need some big shots to have a chance.
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    Joey starting for the injured Jett Howard for Michigan against No. 1 Purdue right now. The Wolverines will need some big shots to have a chance.
    Joey 4-10, 3-8 from three and 11 points. Michigan lost by 5 to #1 Purdue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    Joey 4-10, 3-8 from three and 11 points. Michigan lost by 5 to #1 Purdue.
    Yup… Joey started very slow, but started hitting shots in the last 10 minutes or so of the game to keep Michigan in contact.
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    Some stats...

    Henry Coleman
    2022 TA&M - 11.0ppg, 6.2rpg, 0.6apg, 0.4bpg, 1.3spg, 56.1%FG, 26.7 mins
    2023 TA&M - 9.7ppg, 5.8rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 1.0spg, 54.3%FG, 26.0 mins

    Jaemyn Brakefield
    2022 Ole Miss - 7.7ppg, 4.2rpg, 0.8apg, 0.2bpg, 0.7spg, 47.1%FG, 37.3% 3FG, 25.3 mins
    2023 Ole Miss - 9.2ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 0.4spg, 53.2%FG, 40.0% 3FG, 24.9 mins

    Joey Baker
    2022 Duke - 4.5ppg, 1.2rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 43.2%FG, 40.5% 3FG, 11.9 mins
    2023 Michigan - 4.8ppg, 2.0rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 38.0%FG, 42.6% 3FG, 15.1 mins

    I m glad they are all getting chances. Kinda hard to see what role they would be playing had they stayed at Duke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Some stats...

    Henry Coleman
    2022 TA&M - 11.0ppg, 6.2rpg, 0.6apg, 0.4bpg, 1.3spg, 56.1%FG, 26.7 mins
    2023 TA&M - 9.7ppg, 5.8rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 1.0spg, 54.3%FG, 26.0 mins

    Jaemyn Brakefield
    2022 Ole Miss - 7.7ppg, 4.2rpg, 0.8apg, 0.2bpg, 0.7spg, 47.1%FG, 37.3% 3FG, 25.3 mins
    2023 Ole Miss - 9.2ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 0.4spg, 53.2%FG, 40.0% 3FG, 24.9 mins

    Joey Baker
    2022 Duke - 4.5ppg, 1.2rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 43.2%FG, 40.5% 3FG, 11.9 mins
    2023 Michigan - 4.8ppg, 2.0rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 38.0%FG, 42.6% 3FG, 15.1 mins

    I m glad they are all getting chances. Kinda hard to see what role they would be playing had they stayed at Duke.
    We'd be saying, wonder why Shutt and Baker aren't playing more minutes.

    GoDuke!

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Some stats...

    Henry Coleman
    2022 TA&M - 11.0ppg, 6.2rpg, 0.6apg, 0.4bpg, 1.3spg, 56.1%FG, 26.7 mins
    2023 TA&M - 9.7ppg, 5.8rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 1.0spg, 54.3%FG, 26.0 mins

    Jaemyn Brakefield
    2022 Ole Miss - 7.7ppg, 4.2rpg, 0.8apg, 0.2bpg, 0.7spg, 47.1%FG, 37.3% 3FG, 25.3 mins
    2023 Ole Miss - 9.2ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 0.4spg, 53.2%FG, 40.0% 3FG, 24.9 mins

    Joey Baker
    2022 Duke - 4.5ppg, 1.2rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 43.2%FG, 40.5% 3FG, 11.9 mins
    2023 Michigan - 4.8ppg, 2.0rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 38.0%FG, 42.6% 3FG, 15.1 mins

    I m glad they are all getting chances. Kinda hard to see what role they would be playing had they stayed at Duke.
    Had Coleman stayed at Duke, I assume that Ryan Young would not have transferred in, although they don't play exactly the same position. I like what Ryan is doing for this team a lot, but I think HC may bring something that Duke needs that Ryan doesn't: defensive athleticism. HC also brings a bit more diversity to the court, although Ryan is exceptionally good at FG% around the rim, very good at Oboarding, and pretty good at overall rebounding.
    Had Jaemyn stayed it's somewhat unlikely that Mitchell would have come. Their stats this year are quite similar, although Mitchell seems like the more athletically gifted player. I don't remember Jaemyn standing out on defense, but maybe he has become a solid defender. We know that Mitchell is.
    I can imagine that Joey Baker might have the exact same role that he had last year and apparently has this year at UM. This team desperately needs a 3pt shooter, and he could play paired with Lively since they would kinda offset each other's weaknesses.

    None of this is to say that I would rather have those 3 on this year's team than the players we do have. I just think that their presence would probably negate the arrival of a couple of players, and that the difference between them and the players who currently fill their roles isn't that large.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Some stats...

    Henry Coleman
    2022 TA&M - 11.0ppg, 6.2rpg, 0.6apg, 0.4bpg, 1.3spg, 56.1%FG, 26.7 mins
    2023 TA&M - 9.7ppg, 5.8rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 1.0spg, 54.3%FG, 26.0 mins

    Jaemyn Brakefield
    2022 Ole Miss - 7.7ppg, 4.2rpg, 0.8apg, 0.2bpg, 0.7spg, 47.1%FG, 37.3% 3FG, 25.3 mins
    2023 Ole Miss - 9.2ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.2apg, 0.2bpg, 0.4spg, 53.2%FG, 40.0% 3FG, 24.9 mins

    Joey Baker
    2022 Duke - 4.5ppg, 1.2rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 43.2%FG, 40.5% 3FG, 11.9 mins
    2023 Michigan - 4.8ppg, 2.0rpg, 0.5apg, 0.3bpg, 0.3spg, 38.0%FG, 42.6% 3FG, 15.1 mins

    I m glad they are all getting chances. Kinda hard to see what role they would be playing had they stayed at Duke.
    Coleman is the one I was most disappointed to see leave. I do think his body type and physicality would definitely benefit this team. But I don't know that it would surpass Young's role, and I agree we probably don't get Young if Coleman is still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Coleman is the one I was most disappointed to see leave. I do think his body type and physicality would definitely benefit this team. But I don't know that it would surpass Young's role, and I agree we probably don't get Young if Coleman is still around.
    Yeah, we almost certainly don't get Young if a junior Coleman is still around. The issue for Coleman was the return of Williams along with the arrival of Banchero and Griffin and to a lesser degree John for the 2022 season. Coleman saw that he definitely wasn't going to start in 2022, and was likely going to be limited to 10-15 mpg off the bench. And the situation wasn't likely to change for 2023, as Duke was surely going to recruit top-tier frontcourt players for the 2023 season too.

    It sucked to lose Coleman and Brakefield. But that's the challenge when recruiting in that range (the 25-75ish range of the recruiting rankings) while also consistently landing the top-tier guys. Those guys know they can go elsewhere and start immediately, so it's hard to keep them for 3-4 years. Sometimes we get lucky: guys like DeLaurier and Baker stayed 4 years as backups; O'Connell stayed 3; heck even a fringe top-10 guy like Bolden stayed 3 years as a backup. But often those guys leave: Jeter, Coleman, Brakefield, Tucker, etc. We just can't count on those guys being willing to play small roles for 2-3 years in hopes that they'll become starters down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    ...and to a lesser degree John for the 2022 season.
    I know we've had this conversation before, but I still strongly believe it was 100% the arrival of Theo John. Or at least that was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's spinal column.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    It sucked to lose Coleman and Brakefield. But that's the challenge when recruiting in that range (the 25-75ish range of the recruiting rankings) while also consistently landing the top-tier guys. Those guys know they can go elsewhere and start immediately, so it's hard to keep them for 3-4 years. Sometimes we get lucky: guys like DeLaurier and Baker stayed 4 years as backups; O'Connell stayed 3; heck even a fringe top-10 guy like Bolden stayed 3 years as a backup. But often those guys leave: Jeter, Coleman, Brakefield, Tucker, etc. We just can't count on those guys being willing to play small roles for 2-3 years in hopes that they'll become starters down the road.
    This will almost certainly be a discussion we will be having in April this year regarding Jaden Schutt and perhaps even Jaylen Blakes. Duke has a lot of backcourt talent coming in Foster and McCain. There is at least some chance that Proctor sticks around for another season. How long with Schutt wait to get minutes? Now that Blakes has shown he can play at this level, will he want to play somewhere that will offer his a larger role?

    I suspect that Scheyer's more liberal use of the bench this season may be an incentive to guys to stick around longer.
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  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by DukieInBrasil View Post
    Had Coleman stayed at Duke, I assume that Ryan Young would not have transferred in, although they don't play exactly the same position.
    I would make that trade every day and twice on Sunday. Quality players staying multiple years and mixing with OAD is what many seem to be clamoring for. Henry would add not just experience to this year's team, but Duke experience.

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