We’re Going!! Duke Bowl Selection Discussion

[CameronBornAndBred]

Yes, we'll get what we get and we'll be happy about it because just about no one saw us going to a bowl back in August. Maybe Nina can wine and dine us up a notch...

Damn skippy. Some of us would have been excited about the 5-6 side door. To be in a position of wanting for even more just then getting in legit fashion is wonderful.

[Reilly]

I've made many trips to Boston in the past several years. For what it's worth, the hotel prices for the Dec 16-18 weekend are very good right now (I look at Hilton) compared to many other times in the recent past, yet the Amtrak fares up the East coast are much higher than many other times that i have encountered recently. In case anyone is looking to make plans that can be canceled ...

[Reilly]

The Puente Negro Tattoo Parlor in Ciudad Juarez is running a 2-for-1 special, but you have to pay and book by December 1, which is before the bowl selection show.

[OldPhiKap]

The Puente Negro Tattoo Parlor in Ciudad Juarez is running a 2-for-1 special, but you have to pay and book by December 1, which is before the bowl selection show.

Puentenegro is where you go if you have serious dinero.

https://www.facebook.com/puentenegrotattoo

Mine was cheaper, until the infection took hold.

[duke2x]

I'm going to be Debbie Downer here for some of you, but the Fenway Bowl is right in the middle of Duke's exam week. There's a reasonable chance we turn down that bowl if we're offered. The same might apply to the Tampa bowl pre-Christmas, which is only a couple days after it.

Duke link: https://registrar.duke.edu/calendars...exam-schedules

[AustinDevil]

I'm going to be Debbie Downer here for some of you, but the Fenway Bowl is right in the middle of Duke's exam week. There's a reasonable chance we turn down that bowl if we're offered. The same might apply to the Tampa bowl pre-Christmas, which is only a couple days after it.

Duke link: https://registrar.duke.edu/calendars...exam-schedules

Zero chance of Duke turning down a bowl game unless we simultaneously announce we’re dropping down to FCS and joining the Patriot League.

[duke2x]

Zero chance of Duke turning down a bowl game unless we simultaneously announce we’re dropping down to FCS and joining the Patriot League.

It's not a default slot. We know some ACC team is going to Birmingham/Dallas/Tampa. There are several ACC teams that don't have exams that late in December (e.g. NCSU). It's not unreasonable to think Vincent Price might veto that particular one in favor of another. Tammany Hall in Greensboro does broker these spots to some extent.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

It's not a default slot. We know some ACC team is going to Birmingham/Dallas/Tampa. There are several ACC teams that don't have exams that late in December (e.g. NCSU). It's not unreasonable to think Vincent Price might veto that particular one in favor of another. Tammany Hall in Greensboro does broker these spots to some extent.

You raise an interesting point and I'm guessing it is a consideration. There is probably a bit of a conjoint analysis going on where we are pushing to avoid Boston but would do so under certain circumstances but not others - we will lobby hard and if we can get a roughly equal bowl instead that would be great. If we had to sink down to a really awful bowl, then we might do Fenway. Winning tomorrow would give us a much better position to negotiate from.

Yesterday I booked a refundable hotel room in Boston so I am hoping that that is where we end up. As someone else noted upthread, rooms are pretty reasonable. That is likely the only game I can go to so I am hoping it works out, but based on your good point, I'm guessing it is not likely.

[AustinDevil]

It's not a default slot. We know some ACC team is going to Birmingham/Dallas/Tampa. There are several ACC teams that don't have exams that late in December (e.g. NCSU). It's not unreasonable to think Vincent Price might veto that particular one in favor of another. Tammany Hall in Greensboro does broker these spots to some extent.

You first spoke of Duke just “turning down” this particular bowl invite, which to me at least implied Duke would go nowhere. This follow-up comment is closer to the truth that the ACC has tiered groupings of bowls and of teams, and works at finding good team-bowl matches. Duke wanting to try to get away from exam week is reasonable; Duke choosing to go nowhere is not.

[Reilly]

As of Nov 23, McMurphy has

Orange - Clem
Cheezit - ND
Gator - FSU

El Paso - WFU
Charlotte - Pitt
Pinstripe - Lville

Holiday - UNC
Annapolis - NCSU
Gasparilla - Syr

Fenway - Duke

Miami is a 6.5 point underdog playing Pitt tonight; Miami could get eligible.

Right now, it doesn't seem we really deserve to leapfrog any of the other ACC teams. If we pummel WFU and if Pitt loses to Miami, maybe we can be said to deserve a better bowl than Pitt.

[hallcity]

It's not a default slot. We know some ACC team is going to Birmingham/Dallas/Tampa. There are several ACC teams that don't have exams that late in December (e.g. NCSU). It's not unreasonable to think Vincent Price might veto that particular one in favor of another. Tammany Hall in Greensboro does broker these spots to some extent.

My understanding is that Duke can help its chances of going to one bowl over another by offering a higher ticket sales guarantee to one — buying your way in.

[Acymetric]

I'm going to be Debbie Downer here for some of you, but the Fenway Bowl is right in the middle of Duke's exam week. There's a reasonable chance we turn down that bowl if we're offered. The same might apply to the Tampa bowl pre-Christmas, which is only a couple days after it.

Duke link: https://registrar.duke.edu/calendars...exam-schedules

I am fairly certain Duke is not the only ACC school in this boat and that the ACC/bowls/schools have an understanding on the issue. Duke won't get picked by a bowl they can't attend. This isn't a new thing this year.

[duke2x]

Right now, it doesn't seem we really deserve to leapfrog any of the other ACC teams. If we pummel WFU and if Pitt loses to Miami, maybe we can be said to deserve a better bowl than Pitt.

I think you are mostly correct here. The results last night probably locked one of UNC or NCSU in Charlotte against Maryland if possible. We will have 1 quality win--Wake Forest--if we win today. If we lose, we can argue which of the really bad ACC teams or Northwestern was our best win. I think we're trending toward the contingent spot regardless of what we do today, and I'm ecstatic with that outcome compared to last year. Whether I can attend the game is always an undercurrent in my thoughts (just like Duke getting placed in Greensboro in March since I got mine with a 30% off promo code).

Annapolis should be v. the AAC champ. Don't ask me which team. We might get this one if it's Duke v. Syracuse as the choice, particularly if Syracuse loses today.
Fenway should be v. Cincinnati because U Clifton uses the quarter system. I think Wake gets this spot because they will be done with exams 1 week earlier. Syracuse has the same exam problem as Duke.

? Bowl and location - Duke or Syracuse.

[throatybeard]

Pittsburgh is slapping Miami around. Miami will finish 5-7.

[BigWayne]

ACC bowl spots fall into this order more or less:

Bowl/Date/Payout
Capital One Orange Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 CFP Pool split
Cheez-It Bowl Thurs. Dec. 29, 2022 $6,071,760
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 $5,350,000
San Diego County Holiday Bowl Wed., Dec. 28, 2022 $6,532,700

Duke’s Mayo Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 $4,780,461
Pinstripe Bowl Thurs., Dec. 29, 2022 $4,400,000
Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 $4,550,000

Military Bowl Presented by Peraton Wed., Dec. 28, 2022 $2,066,990
TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl Tues., Dec. 27, 2022 $1,374,545
Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl Fri., Dec. 23, 2022 $1,125,000
Wasabi Fenway Bowl Sat., Dec. 17, 2022 $???


So after today’s results, I believe the top 4 group will be Clemson/FSU/ND/UNC. FSU will go to one of the Florida bowls, ND probably to the other, and UNC to SD.

I believe the middle 3 will be filled by Pitt/State/Duke.

That leaves, Louisville, Wake, and Syracuse for the bottom group and the Fenway bowl not getting an ACC team.

If for some reason Duke gets ranked down lower, I bet we would go to the Military bowl and not Birmingham or Tampa.

[OldPhiKap]

ACC bowl spots fall into this order more or less:

Bowl/Date/Payout
Capital One Orange Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 CFP Pool split
Cheez-It Bowl Thurs. Dec. 29, 2022 $6,071,760
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 $5,350,000
San Diego County Holiday Bowl Wed., Dec. 28, 2022 $6,532,700

Duke’s Mayo Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 $4,780,461
Pinstripe Bowl Thurs., Dec. 29, 2022 $4,400,000
Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl Fri., Dec. 30, 2022 $4,550,000

Military Bowl Presented by Peraton Wed., Dec. 28, 2022 $2,066,990
TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl Tues., Dec. 27, 2022 $1,374,545
Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl Fri., Dec. 23, 2022 $1,125,000
Wasabi Fenway Bowl Sat., Dec. 17, 2022 $???


So after today’s results, I believe the top 4 group will be Clemson/FSU/ND/UNC. FSU will go to one of the Florida bowls, ND probably to the other, and UNC to SD.

I believe the middle 3 will be filled by Pitt/State/Duke.

That leaves, Louisville, Wake, and Syracuse for the bottom group and the Fenway bowl not getting an ACC team.

If for some reason Duke gets ranked down lower, I bet we would go to the Military bowl and not Birmingham or Tampa.

Great breakdown BW, thanks!

[MarkD83]

I am sure you can find this information in a more "professional" site but since I started keeping this tally I might as well list a final tally...

There are now 81 teams with 6 wins, but JMU is not eligible since this is their first year in the FBS division, so 80 teams and 2 slots left.

Army is 5-6 and still plays Navy on 12/10.
Buffalo is 5-6 and still play a ppd game with Akron on 12/2.
New Mexico State is 5-6 and had a game with San Jose State ppd but the game is not rescheduled.

These are the three teams that would possibly get the last 2 slots. There are also 16 teams at 5-7 if two of these three teams do not get to 6 wins.

The conference break down is

SEC - 11 eligible teams
ACC (including ND) - 10
Big 10 - 9
Big 12 - 8
Sunbelt - 8 (without JMU)
Pac 12 - 7
AAC - 7
MWC - 7
Conf USA - 5
MAC - 5 (with Buffalo still possible)
Independents - 3 (with Army and New Mexico St still possible)

[budwom]

I am guessing that Nina King will schmooze us into an attractive bowl...it isn't all done strictly by W-L records...she's been completely on top of football ever since she took over from White. So hopefully one of those mid tier bowls, though the payouts don't particularly matter since revenue is shared within the ACC.

[MarkD83]

Here is one of those "more professional" sites with some added information about filling the last few bowl slots.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bowl-pr...111457428.html

[budwom]

Here is one of those "more professional" sites with some added information about filling the last few bowl slots.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bowl-pr...111457428.html

College Football News is pretty good and they also have us going to the Gasparilla Bowl vs Marshall...might have liked a higher profile opponent, but it's all good at this point. Still could see Nina bumping us up a notch.