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    ACC Basketball Discussion: 2022-23 Season

    I didn't see a thread for this so decided to start one.

    Jon Rothstein reports that Jaylen Gainey, a 6'9" post player that transferred from Brown to FSU, will miss the entire 2022-23 season due to a knee injury. Gainey was a top interior defender and figured to play a big role for the Seminoles this season. That's going to be a tough loss for a team that dealt with more than its share of injuries last season. Gainey figured to be the starting C or a significant backup for 7'4" C Naheem McLeod. Without Gainey, the 'Noles will have McLeod and then a pair of freshmen forwards in Cameron Corhen and De'Ante Green. Neither are true centers like Gainey or McLeod. It will be interesting to see how Coach Leonard Hamilton juggles his deep but inexperienced rotation of young big men.

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    Here's another hit for Florida State. The NCAA has ruled freshmen Baba Miller out for the first 16 games of the season. He was paid to travel from his native Spain to the US for a basketball event before his recruitment to FSU. When his family found out this was a violation of recruiting policies, they immediately repaid the people that paid for the flights. The NCAA decided they don't care and slapped Miller with a ban for about half the season.

    Duke hosts FSU on December 31st. If the ban remains, they will be without two of their most important frontcourt players in Jaylin Gainey and Baba Miller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBenAkiva View Post
    Here's another hit for Florida State. The NCAA has ruled freshmen Baba Miller out for the first 16 games of the season. He was paid to travel from his native Spain to the US for a basketball event before his recruitment to FSU. When his family found out this was a violation of recruiting policies, they immediately repaid the people that paid for the flights. The NCAA decided they don't care and slapped Miller with a ban for about half the season.

    Duke hosts FSU on December 31st. If the ban remains, they will be without two of their most important frontcourt players in Jaylin Gainey and Baba Miller.
    In the world of NIL, this seems ridiculously harsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGDukesky View Post
    In the world of NIL, this seems ridiculously harsh
    Agreed. This is just unfortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBenAkiva View Post
    Here's another hit for Florida State. The NCAA has ruled freshmen Baba Miller out for the first 16 games of the season. He was paid to travel from his native Spain to the US for a basketball event before his recruitment to FSU. When his family found out this was a violation of recruiting policies, they immediately repaid the people that paid for the flights. The NCAA decided they don't care and slapped Miller with a ban for about half the season.

    Duke hosts FSU on December 31st. If the ban remains, they will be without two of their most important frontcourt players in Jaylin Gainey and Baba Miller.
    I guess the only mistake Fla. State made was being located in Tallahassee instead of Chapel Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Music man55 View Post
    I guess the only mistake Fla. State made was being located in Tallahassee instead of Chapel Hill.
    FSU should have just explained to the NCAA that non-athletes also received flights, therefore there is no violation.

    (No, that joke will never get old. I hate UNC.)

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    In almost every case, it is almost like the NCAA asks, “what is the right thing to do in this case?” and then they do the opposite.

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    Kenny Payne

    Has a rough start, losing to Lenoir-Rhyne, 57-47.

    https://twitter.com/louisvillembb/st...YLDrNXLV2W5QeA

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    Quote Originally Posted by MChambers View Post
    Has a rough start, losing to Lenoir-Rhyne, 57-47.

    https://twitter.com/louisvillembb/st...YLDrNXLV2W5QeA
    Whew... the Cards are gonna be bad.

    https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...n/69590400007/

    the Bears — a Division II team coming off a 10-18 season and playing without the top two scorers from that squad — stunned Louisville 57-47 in front of a sparse crowd.

    Payne said his team "needed this whoopin'," and the Bears delivered, snapping Louisville's streak of 39 straight exhibition wins.

    The Bears didn't have a fluke shooting night. They made 35.7% of their shots and 7 of 28 3-pointers.
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Today was a good day for Louisville. They largely avoided punishment from the NCAA and then held on to defeat Chaminade in an exhibition tonight. Chaminade led for much of the game but UofL pulled it out late for an 80-73 win.

    The Cardinals are going to be a bad team this year. The clouds over the program have lifted, though, so that's good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBenAkiva View Post
    Today was a good day for Louisville. They largely avoided punishment from the NCAA and then held on to defeat Chaminade in an exhibition tonight. Chaminade led for much of the game but UofL pulled it out late for an 80-73 win.
    Lose to Lenoir-Rhyne, have to come back late against Chaminade... it has been several years since an ACC team feel outside of the top 200 in KenPom, but it sure feels like the Cardinals are headed in that direction.

    Lowest rated ACC teams in KenPom, by year --

    2022: Pitt - 195
    2021: Wake - 175
    2020: BC - 179
    2019: Wake - 174
    2018: Pitt - 227 (last time an ACC team went 0-for in the conference)
    2017: BC - 173
    2016: BC - 225 (another 0-18 team)
    2015: Va Tech - 175
    2014: Va Tech - 174
    2013: Va Tech - 169
    2012: BC - 261 (this year also featured Wake ranked #211 and Ga Tech #174... the bottom of the ACC was horrid this year)
    2011: Wake - 259
    2010: Virginia - 76 (yup, the entire ACC was ranked in the top 80)
    2009: Virginia - 104
    2008: Nc State - 110
    2007: Miami - 109
    2006: Ga Tech - 103
    2005: Fla St - 102
    2004: Clemson - 107
    2003: Clemson - 105
    2002: UNC - 137 (now you know why I kept on tracking this all the way back to this glorious year)
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    2002: UNC - 137 (now you know why I kept on tracking this all the way back to this glorious year)
    Gotta spread sporks, but this line deserves some public accolades, anyway! GTHC!

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    Here's how ESPN's BPI ranks the ACC teams nationally this year.

    UNC 15
    U.Va. 17
    Miami 23
    Notre Dame 26
    Duke 31
    FSU 39
    WFU 40
    Va.Tech 44
    NCSU 62
    Clemson 70
    Ga. Tech 89
    Pitt 98
    BC 109
    Syracuse 110
    Louisville 173

    Somehow, I don't think these predictions will age well.

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    What the bleepity-bleep happened in the shift from the aughts to the twenty-teens?

    2002-2010 avg wost ranked ACC team about 106
    2011-2022 avg worst ranked ACC team about 199 (PLUS multiple 0-fers, and years like 2012 with three teams at or below 174)

    This conference was one a shining example of quality and depth.... a "can't ever take a night off" conference. I won't say, "oh how the mighty have fallen", because the top teams are still pretty good/elite more often than not. But the middle and bottom of the conference have been REALLY slipping noticeably for the last decade.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Lose to Lenoir-Rhyne, have to come back late against Chaminade... it has been several years since an ACC team feel outside of the top 200 in KenPom, but it sure feels like the Cardinals are headed in that direction.

    Lowest rated ACC teams in KenPom, by year --

    2022: Pitt - 195
    2021: Wake - 175
    2020: BC - 179
    2019: Wake - 174
    2018: Pitt - 227 (last time an ACC team went 0-for in the conference)
    2017: BC - 173
    2016: BC - 225 (another 0-18 team)
    2015: Va Tech - 175
    2014: Va Tech - 174
    2013: Va Tech - 169
    2012: BC - 261 (this year also featured Wake ranked #211 and Ga Tech #174... the bottom of the ACC was horrid this year)
    2011: Wake - 259
    2010: Virginia - 76 (yup, the entire ACC was ranked in the top 80)
    2009: Virginia - 104
    2008: Nc State - 110
    2007: Miami - 109
    2006: Ga Tech - 103
    2005: Fla St - 102
    2004: Clemson - 107
    2003: Clemson - 105
    2002: UNC - 137 (now you know why I kept on tracking this all the way back to this glorious year)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahoo2000 View Post
    What the bleepity-bleep happened in the shift from the aughts to the twenty-teens?

    2002-2010 avg wost ranked ACC team about 106
    2011-2022 avg worst ranked ACC team about 199 (PLUS multiple 0-fers, and years like 2012 with three teams at or below 174)

    This conference was one a shining example of quality and depth... a "can't ever take a night off" conference. I won't say, "oh how the mighty have fallen", because the top teams are still pretty good/elite more often than not. But the middle and bottom of the conference have been REALLY slipping noticeably for the last decade.
    The simple answer is coaches. Some of the mediocre/bottom-feeder programs of today used to have...

    Rick Pitino
    Al Skinner
    Skip Prosser
    Paul Hewitt
    Oliver Purnell
    Jamie Dixon
    Herb Sendek

    Jim Boeheim isn't what he used to be, either.

    Not all of these guys were great, per se, but they had their teams consistently good. Some years, they were darn good. The SEC had a coaching problem for most of the 2000s-2010s. Now they have good coaches at Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, etc.

    If things work out for Jon Scheyer, Hubert Davis, Earl Grant, Steve Forbes, and Kenny Payne and the next guys at NC State, Syracuse, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame, then the ACC will be right back on top. Assuming there is an ACC by then...

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    Watching Louisville-Bellarmine. How do you even pronounce that? Oof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSurprise View Post
    Watching Louisville-Bellarmine. How do you even pronounce that? Oof.
    The definitive pronunciation is "Lull-ville". Barkley assures us so.

    -jk

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    Louisville w8th 9 straight points, with ball, down 1 with 27 seconds left. Missed 2 layups to lose by 1 at home.

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    Based on their scrimmage results and tonight's game, Louisville looks like they could ultimately flirt with sub-200 kenpom status without marked improvement. This is the state of the ACC. The bottom teams are in the bottom 1/3 of D1. How in the world did it come to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahoo2000 View Post
    Based on their scrimmage results and tonight's game, Louisville looks like they could ultimately flirt with sub-200 kenpom status without marked improvement. This is the state of the ACC. The bottom teams are in the bottom 1/3 of D1. How in the world did it come to this?
    This is how we end up wondering where all the Q1 win opportunities went when February rolls around.

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