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  1. #741
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Getting rid of Notecard Nantz ("his mother is a letter carrier!") is classic addition by subtraction. Leave that man in Augusta...
    Or, at Pebble, where he lives.

  2. #742
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Getting rid of Notecard Nantz ("his mother is a letter carrier!") is classic addition by subtraction. Leave that man in Augusta...
    I’m not a Nantz fan, either, and welcome his retirement and replacement by Eagle. I wouldn’t object to Raftery getting one more year, but that’s it. Grant Hill gets better, though I don’t prefer him to Spanarkel. I’ll hope that by the 2025 NCAAT (at the latest) Eagle’s partner is Spanarkel or Hill, with just maybe Jay Wright as 3d guy.

  3. #743
    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Or, at Pebble, where he lives.
    I wouldn't mind taking a shot at his backyard.

  4. #744
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Or, at Pebble, where he lives.
    Nope, he actually lives in Nashville. He’s been all over the local CBS station this week.

  5. #745
    I hope Jim Spanarkel gets the color job, sooner rather
    than later! He’s the best in the biz- always focused on the game and very insightful. And maybe it’ll boost my decades long campaign to hang # 34 in the rafters!

  6. #746
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMeDoIt View Post
    Nope, he actually lives in Nashville. He’s been all over the local CBS station this week.
    Does he still own the Pebble Beach house with the scaled-down par 3 7th in the backyard?

  7. #747
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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    I wouldn't mind taking a shot at his backyard.
    He has a practice hole in it.

  8. #748
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    Kudos to Awful Announcing for putting together a compilation of calls of Lamont Butler's shot so soon after the SDU win over FAU. They've got the CBS broadcast, local San Diego sports radio, ESPN International, and Westwood One.

    It's worth a click. Thanks to some embedded tweets, you can watch or hear them. Or read them -- each call is transcribed. Jim Nantz was a bit slow on the "Butler did it" line, not having it ready right after the shot, but said some interesting things beforehand. Dick Vitale was covering the game for ESPN International, and was highly subdued, for him.
    Oof that San Diego local radio call was horrible

  9. #749
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    Quote Originally Posted by toughbuff1 View Post
    Oof that San Diego local radio call was horrible
    Wow just terrible. The other two were fine.

  10. #750
    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    He has a practice hole in it.
    I know this may surprise some people but I do exhibit some signs of restraint.

  11. #751
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    Awful Announcing: Rate the 2023 NCAA Tournament announcers

    They've put up a poll -- really, a Google Form where you assign each announcing team a letter grade. Unfortunately, they only list the names of the announcers, and not the location or games they were assigned. So...

    Brian Anderson, Jim Jackson (Allie LaForce): Des Moines
    Kansas/Howard, Arkansas/Illinois, Kansas/Arkansas; Texas/Colgate, Texas A&M/Penn State, Texas/Penn State

    Lisa Byington, Avery Johnson, Steve Smith (Andy Katz): Denver
    Baylor/UCSB, Creighton/NC State, Baylor/Creighton; Gonzaga/Grand Canyon, TCU/Arizona State, Gonzaga/TCU

    Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas (Jamie Erdahl): Columbus
    Purdue/FDU, Memphis/Florida Atlantic, FDU/Florida Atlantic; Michigan State/USC, Marquette/Vermont, Michigan State/Marquette

    Spero Dedes, Deb Antonelli (AJ Ross): Albany
    Miami/Drake, Indiana/Kent State, Miami/Indiana; St. Mary's/VCU, Connecticut/Iona, St. Mary's/Connecticut

    Ian Eagle, Jim Spanarkel (Evan Washburn): Greensboro
    Kentucky/Providence, Kansas State/Montana State, Kentucky/Kansas State; Iowa State/Pittsburgh, Xavier/Kennesaw State, Pittsburgh/Xavier

    Kevin Harlan, Dan Bonner, Stan Van Gundy (Lauren Shehadi): Orlando
    Duke/Oral Roberts, Tennessee/Louisiana, Duke/Tennessee; SDSU/Charleston, Virginia/Furman, SDSU/Furman

    Jim Nantz, Bill Raftery, Grant Hill (Tracy Wolfson): Birmingham
    Alabama/TAMCC, Maryland/West Virginia, Alabama/Maryland; Houston/Northern Kentucky, Iowa/Auburn, Houston/Auburn

    Brad Nessler, Brendan Haywood (Dana Jacobson): Sacramento
    Missouri/Utah State, Arizona/Princeton, Missouri/Princeton; Northwestern/Boise State, UCLA/UNC Asheville, Northwestern/UCLA

    Voting ends Friday. Grading each team is important. For Brendan Haywood, this may be the closest he will ever get to an official transcript.
    With the tournament completed, I thought I would follow up on this.

    Awful Announcing: The 2023 NCAA Tournament broadcaster rankings

    By popular vote, each team was given a letter grade for their job during the first weekend of the tournament. (You can see the sites and games they worked in the quoted post above.) Just like in school, the letter grades are then converted to numbers on a 0 to 4 point scale and then averaged, so think of each number below as a grade point average.

    I'm just going to list the rankings; click over to see a further breakdown (most commonly assigned letter grade by vote percentage, past performances, and commentary).

    8. Lisa Byington, Avery Johnson, and Steve Smith – 1.93
    7. Spero Dedes and Deb Antonelli – 2.25
    6. Brad Nessler and Brendan Haywood – 2.75
    5. Andrew Catalon and Steve Lappas – 3.00
    4. Brian Anderson and Jim Jackson – 3.10
    3. Jim Nantz, Grant Hill, and Bill Raftery – 3.36
    2. Kevin Harlan, Dan Bonner, and Stan Van Gundy – 3.64
    1. Ian Eagle and Jim Spanarkel – 3.73


    You can also check previous years. 2021 is noteworthy because it was the year that Jim Spanarkel missed the first weekend due to COVID protocols and Grant Hill filled in. The Eagle/Hill pairing was a revelation and the #1 ranked team that year:

    "Broken out of the trio he was in with Nantz and Raftery, Hill was able to shine in the first two rounds before being moved back into his long-time booth this week. Eagle’s NCAA Tournament broadcast teams prior to his partnership with Spanarkel show that he doesn’t have that kind of chemistry with everyone, but in Hill, he may have found a partner that is a more than adequate stand-in."

    This bodes well for the future. We know that Ian Eagle is taking over for the retired Jim Nantz. While nothing more has been publicly decided, I doubt CBS will make further changes to the A-Team: it will probably be Eagle/Raftery/Hill next year. As for the trickle down, CBS will probably do the bare minimum here. After their call on the FDU-Purdue upset, Andrew Catalon and Steve Lappas became overnight successes, years in the making. I expect both to team up with Spanarkel to be the new fourth team, one that gets to keep announcing in the second weekend. Then CBS has to put together a new eighth team, but they can just promote from within, given all the studio, radio, and website people on their payroll.

  12. #752
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    With the tournament completed, I thought I would follow up on this.

    Awful Announcing: The 2023 NCAA Tournament broadcaster rankings

    By popular vote, each team was given a letter grade for their job during the first weekend of the tournament. (You can see the sites and games they worked in the quoted post above.) Just like in school, the letter grades are then converted to numbers on a 0 to 4 point scale and then averaged, so think of each number below as a grade point average.

    I'm just going to list the rankings; click over to see a further breakdown (most commonly assigned letter grade by vote percentage, past performances, and commentary).

    8. Lisa Byington, Avery Johnson, and Steve Smith – 1.93
    7. Spero Dedes and Deb Antonelli – 2.25
    6. Brad Nessler and Brendan Haywood – 2.75
    5. Andrew Catalon and Steve Lappas – 3.00
    4. Brian Anderson and Jim Jackson – 3.10
    3. Jim Nantz, Grant Hill, and Bill Raftery – 3.36
    2. Kevin Harlan, Dan Bonner, and Stan Van Gundy – 3.64
    1. Ian Eagle and Jim Spanarkel – 3.73


    You can also check previous years. 2021 is noteworthy because it was the year that Jim Spanarkel missed the first weekend due to COVID protocols and Grant Hill filled in. The Eagle/Hill pairing was a revelation and the #1 ranked team that year:

    "Broken out of the trio he was in with Nantz and Raftery, Hill was able to shine in the first two rounds before being moved back into his long-time booth this week. Eagle’s NCAA Tournament broadcast teams prior to his partnership with Spanarkel show that he doesn’t have that kind of chemistry with everyone, but in Hill, he may have found a partner that is a more than adequate stand-in."

    This bodes well for the future. We know that Ian Eagle is taking over for the retired Jim Nantz. While nothing more has been publicly decided, I doubt CBS will make further changes to the A-Team: it will probably be Eagle/Raftery/Hill next year. As for the trickle down, CBS will probably do the bare minimum here. After their call on the FDU-Purdue upset, Andrew Catalon and Steve Lappas became overnight successes, years in the making. I expect both to team up with Spanarkel to be the new fourth team, one that gets to keep announcing in the second weekend. Then CBS has to put together a new eighth team, but they can just promote from within, given all the studio, radio, and website people on their payroll.
    Van Gundy was fantastic IMHO.

  13. #753
    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    With the tournament completed, I thought I would follow up on this.

    Awful Announcing: The 2023 NCAA Tournament broadcaster rankings

    By popular vote, each team was given a letter grade for their job during the first weekend of the tournament. (You can see the sites and games they worked in the quoted post above.) Just like in school, the letter grades are then converted to numbers on a 0 to 4 point scale and then averaged, so think of each number below as a grade point average.

    I'm just going to list the rankings; click over to see a further breakdown (most commonly assigned letter grade by vote percentage, past performances, and commentary).

    8. Lisa Byington, Avery Johnson, and Steve Smith – 1.93
    7. Spero Dedes and Deb Antonelli – 2.25
    6. Brad Nessler and Brendan Haywood – 2.75
    5. Andrew Catalon and Steve Lappas – 3.00
    4. Brian Anderson and Jim Jackson – 3.10
    3. Jim Nantz, Grant Hill, and Bill Raftery – 3.36
    2. Kevin Harlan, Dan Bonner, and Stan Van Gundy – 3.64
    1. Ian Eagle and Jim Spanarkel – 3.73


    You can also check previous years. 2021 is noteworthy because it was the year that Jim Spanarkel missed the first weekend due to COVID protocols and Grant Hill filled in. The Eagle/Hill pairing was a revelation and the #1 ranked team that year:

    "Broken out of the trio he was in with Nantz and Raftery, Hill was able to shine in the first two rounds before being moved back into his long-time booth this week. Eagle’s NCAA Tournament broadcast teams prior to his partnership with Spanarkel show that he doesn’t have that kind of chemistry with everyone, but in Hill, he may have found a partner that is a more than adequate stand-in."

    This bodes well for the future. We know that Ian Eagle is taking over for the retired Jim Nantz. While nothing more has been publicly decided, I doubt CBS will make further changes to the A-Team: it will probably be Eagle/Raftery/Hill next year. As for the trickle down, CBS will probably do the bare minimum here. After their call on the FDU-Purdue upset, Andrew Catalon and Steve Lappas became overnight successes, years in the making. I expect both to team up with Spanarkel to be the new fourth team, one that gets to keep announcing in the second weekend. Then CBS has to put together a new eighth team, but they can just promote from within, given all the studio, radio, and website people on their payroll.
    These ratings seem to align well with my thoughts and those on this Board. Curious where a team of Corey A., Jay B and a random straightjacket from ESPN would fit if CBS needed another team.

  14. #754
    Quote Originally Posted by arnie View Post
    These ratings seem to align well with my thoughts and those on this Board. Curious where a team of Corey A., Jay B and a random straightjacket from ESPN would fit if CBS needed another team.
    Jay would have a 4.25 in my book!

  15. #755
    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    Jay would have a 4.25 in my book!
    Someone's poking bears this afternoon.

  16. #756
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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie View Post
    These ratings seem to align well with my thoughts and those on this Board. Curious where a team of Corey A., Jay B and a random straightjacket from ESPN would fit if CBS needed another team.
    On the surface there's nothing wrong with hearing the voices of Cory Alexander or Jay Bilas in an NCAA Tournament broadcast, but the problem arises if they maintain the nonstop pontificating that ESPN clearly encourages and CBS clearly avoids. To them, it wouldn't work because they wouldn't be allowed to be themselves.

    I am loath to pick sides, but I've always felt that ESPN college basketball and CBS/Turner/Warner Bros/Discovery college basketball were two separate cultures. An audience of casual bracket-guessers may not notice, but to the die hard college hoops fans, it's an awkward arrangement. ESPN brings the day-to-day grind of a full regular season, like a custodial parent, while CBS breezes in on weekends and then takes over in the glitzy last month, like a fun parent.

    Even their approach to personnel is different. Despite its rough proximity to New York City and its obsession with their pro sports teams, ESPN has almost always promoted voices that have a national rather than regional appeal. It's Midwestern, it's Johnny Carson. The decades-long "yous guys" standard of New York sports radio (or its equivalents in Boston or Philadelphia) is a deliberate omission in Bristol.

    CBS seems less concerned about uniformity and just casts a wide net of people who may have regional or national appeal. Some of us felt that Steve Lappas came across as abrasive in his announcing, and I think it's because our ears are calibrated, for better or worse, to the ESPN experience.

    While there is some free agency in sportscasting employment -- Andy Katz left ESPN to write for NCAA.com and does sideline reporting for CBS -- there's not much crossover here. I read that in the past CBS had asked ESPN to "borrow" Dick Vitale for the NCAA Tournament, and ESPN said no. In recent years ESPN has softened their stance, but Vitale has said he's loyal to ESPN and happy to keep calling the NCAA Tournament for ESPN's international radio broadcasts.

    As I hinted above, CBS Sports and their cable sports network offer more than enough backup talent to form an eighth broadcast team for the 2024 tournament. You could almost pick names out of a hat: Carter Blackburn (play-by-play), Renee Montgomery (analyst), Chris Walker (analyst), Jenny Chiu (reporter). That was easy.

  17. #757
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    <snip>

    ESPN brings the day-to-day grind of a full regular season, like a custodial parent, while CBS breezes in on weekends and then takes over in the glitzy last month, like a fun parent.

    <snip>
    I lol'd at this line, mainly because it's absolutely spot-on.

    - Chillin

  18. #758
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChillinDuke View Post
    I lol'd at this line, mainly because it's absolutely spot-on.

    - Chillin
    I love that CBS takes over just for the tournament. You get the CBS sports jingle. It just adds to that special feeling you get every year in March. It's better than Christmas.

  19. #759
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Someone's poking bears this afternoon.
    What do you mean?!?!

  20. #760
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Van Gundy was fantastic IMHO.
    I agree. Spanarkel is also very good in my opinion, but I wonder how much of a "bump" he gets from me subconsciously because I know he is a Duke guy. Even with this bump I would still put Van Gundy at 1 and Spanarkel at 2, so I am mildly surprised that the consensus (presumably including a bunch of non-Dukies) is reversed.

    Maybe people also like Ian Eagle a lot. Who knows, I tend not to notice play-by-play announcers as much as color commentators.

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