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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Yeah, I am inclined to agree with this. Mark's best games have largely been against teams where his superior athleticism allowed him to overwhelm opposing forward. His performances lately against P5 teams from Oregon St, Purdue, and Ohio State have been quite poor. Obviously, there is plenty of time for him to improve and show well in ACC play (and against Iowa) but I suspect he is going to see his playing time take a dip as Whitehead returns to form in coming weeks. I have a hard time seeing him getting first-round money from a NBA team.

    That said, I won't be surprised if he decides to turn pro regardless of what his NBA stock may be. Hard to know what is in his head and if he wants to go, he's gonna go.

    It is also worth noting that the arrival of Mgbako, Power, and Stewart next season would make for an exceedingly crowded group of forwards if Mitchell returned to the program (especially if Flip maybe returns).
    Maybe we can start 3 PFs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. synellinden View Post
    Despite not putting much stock in some of these sites, I found it very surprising that NBADraft.net has only one Duke player in its projected 2023 draft ..

    ... Tyrese Proctor (16)

    And it has six Duke players in the 2024 first round - in this order:

    Mgbako
    Whitehead
    Mitchell
    Filipowski
    McCain
    Lively

    Not very likely but would certainly make for a loaded team next year.
    With this projection for 2024, it occurred to me that NBAdraft.net is just trolling Duke fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    With this projection for 2024, it occurred to me that NBAdraft.net is just trolling Duke fans.
    Either their website was hacked or they dont follow basketball.

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    I applaud that site for putting our frequent mock drafts and continually updating it throughout the college basketball season. In my experience, it is among the least reliable sites for accurately mocking the drafts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southgate0809 View Post
    Sadly, I think Mitchell is the only one of the freshmen (other than Schutt and Reeves) that we have a hope of retaining. I hope Roach would return too, but that's not a given.
    Moving the discussion here from the post-game thread. I expect Lively to go no matter what, high school rankings still carry a lot of weight at draft time and he'll go in the first round based off potential. Whitehead is gone for sure. Flip feels 50/50 at the moment or maybe 67/33 in favor of leaving; he had a great start but has settled into being at the level we expected which is really good but not elite. One issue for him will be whether he projects as a legit center at the next level or whether he'll have to be able to guard 4's. Proctor feels like he reclassified because he wanted to be in the 2023 draft, but he might decide another year would be good for him after his slow adjustment. Mitchell should come back but you never know, plus he overlaps so much with Mackenzie Mgbako (even down to their initials).

    If we return Mitchell, Schutt, Reeves plus Blakes and Young (who still has his covid year remaining) that's a pretty solid core for the Duke OAD era. Three of them would be potential starters. Then add our five 5* recruits and I'm happy with that roster. I wonder who our leader would be, my guess would be Blakes and Young are captains. Getting back some combination of Roach, Proctor or Flip would put us in top-10 territory IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Moving the discussion here from the post-game thread. I expect Lively to go no matter what, high school rankings still carry a lot of weight at draft time and he'll go in the first round based off potential. Whitehead is gone for sure. Flip feels 50/50 at the moment or maybe 67/33 in favor of leaving; he had a great start but has settled into being at the level we expected which is really good but not elite. One issue for him will be whether he projects as a legit center at the next level or whether he'll have to be able to guard 4's. Proctor feels like he reclassified because he wanted to be in the 2023 draft, but he might decide another year would be good for him after his slow adjustment. Mitchell should come back but you never know, plus he overlaps so much with Mackenzie Mgbako (even down to their initials).

    If we return Mitchell, Schutt, Reeves plus Blakes and Young (who still has his covid year remaining) that's a pretty solid core for the Duke OAD era. Three of them would be potential starters. Then add our five 5* recruits and I'm happy with that roster. I wonder who our leader would be, my guess would be Blakes and Young are captains. Getting back some combination of Roach, Proctor or Flip would put us in top-10 territory IMO.
    With the arrival of Foster, I dont see Roach electing to return. I think the anticipation is that Foster will be handed the keys and learn on the go. And Foster is a fantastic looking prospect.

    I think Jason alluded earlier that if Mitchell elected to return that the forwards room would be incredibly crowded. Even though Mgbako, Stewart and Power all have differences in their respective games, Mitchell may find it tough in a logjam for minutes.

    I have no idea what is going through the mind of Proctor, but with McCain and Foster's arrival, I'm sure his minutes would see a little cap. Inevitably there has to be some attrition, either by declaring for the draft of transfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    I have no idea what is going through the mind of Proctor, but with McCain and Foster's arrival, I'm sure his minutes would see a little cap. Inevitably there has to be some attrition, either by declaring for the draft of transfer.
    But Proctor was originally in the same class as McCain and Foster and IIRC he was the last one to commit. So he was already expecting to compete for time with those two. I agree that the potential exists for overcrowding in both the backcourt (if Foster or Roach returns) and the front court (Flip or Mitchell) but I've never been one to believe that an incumbent player is going to be scared off by an incoming player. If anything the incoming player would be the one who may change their mind, but then again all of these guys commit knowing that they're going to be fighting for playing time against other elite players.

    Blakes's improvement throws another piece into the mix, he was expected to be a career backup but if he continues to improve then he will push for a starting role next season as well.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    But Proctor was originally in the same class as McCain and Foster and IIRC he was the last one to commit. So he was already expecting to compete for time with those two. I agree that the potential exists for overcrowding in both the backcourt (if Foster or Roach returns) and the front court (Flip or Mitchell) but I've never been one to believe that an incumbent player is going to be scared off by an incoming player. If anything the incoming player would be the one who may change their mind, but then again all of these guys commit knowing that they're going to be fighting for playing time against other elite players.

    Blakes's improvement throws another piece into the mix, he was expected to be a career backup but if he continues to improve then he will push for a starting role next season as well
    True that Proctor was originally in the same class with Foster and McCain, but his re-class might be more telling as to what his mindset was when he arrived in Durham. His plan may have already been established that he intended to forego at the end of this year, regardless.
    Last edited by -jk; 01-05-2023 at 04:53 PM. Reason: Fix quote tag

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    But Proctor was originally in the same class as McCain and Foster and IIRC he was the last one to commit. So he was already expecting to compete for time with those two. I agree that the potential exists for overcrowding in both the backcourt (if Foster or Roach returns) and the front court (Flip or Mitchell) but I've never been one to believe that an incumbent player is going to be scared off by an incoming player. If anything the incoming player would be the one who may change their mind, but then again all of these guys commit knowing that they're going to be fighting for playing time against other elite players.

    Blakes's improvement throws another piece into the mix, he was expected to be a career backup but if he continues to improve then he will push for a starting role next season as well.
    I like Blakes a lot and have been pleasantly surprised by his play overall so far. But if we're in a position of putting Blakes in a starting role then we're in huge trouble. He's a role guy, and he's finding ways to impact the game by being disruptive and knock down occasional open shots (with an awkward release). Remember, we had Goldwire as a senior in that position in '21 and things didn't go so well for that team - not that I'm laying that at his feet. Goldwire developed himself into a solid role guy - but he wasn't a guard that you would put into position of distributing and scoring for a team with tournament aspirations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    With the arrival of Foster, I dont see Roach electing to return. I think the anticipation is that Foster will be handed the keys and learn on the go. And Foster is a fantastic looking prospect.

    I think Jason alluded earlier that if Mitchell elected to return that the forwards room would be incredibly crowded. Even though Mgbako, Stewart and Power all have differences in their respective games, Mitchell may find it tough in a logjam for minutes.

    I have no idea what is going through the mind of Proctor, but with McCain and Foster's arrival, I'm sure his minutes would see a little cap. Inevitably there has to be some attrition, either by declaring for the draft of transfer.
    Funny how folks are elevating these HS players to be better than sophomore versions of the current players. Mitchell next year will be far better than he is now and could be better than any of those Frosh you mention for a good part of the season. There is a learning curve for these guys as this year shows. Mitchell is likely to go because he feels he is ready for the next step. I suspect he will be drafted in the second round at worst. Proctor is less likely to be drafted at all- as he does not yet have the strength for the NBA and has not shown himself to be a reliable shooter from deep. He can always go home to Australia and work on his game there or continue to improve in college at Duke or somewhere else. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukelifer View Post
    Funny how folks are elevating these HS players to be better than sophomore versions of the current players. Mitchell next year will be far better than he is now and could be better than any of those Frosh you mention for a good part of the season. There is a learning curve for these guys as this year shows. Mitchell is likely to go because he feels he is ready for the next step. I suspect he will be drafted in the second round at worst. Proctor is less likely to be drafted at all- as he does not yet have the strength for the NBA and has not shown himself to be a reliable shooter from deep. He can always go home to Australia and work on his game there or continue to improve in college at Duke or somewhere else. Time will tell.
    Gimme a senior Roach or a sophomore Proctor over next year's freshman. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Roach hasn't improved much from this year to last. He's still shoot-first, and his shot isn't very good.

    But I want the experience and the leadership of those two players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    With the arrival of Foster, I dont see Roach electing to return. I think the anticipation is that Foster will be handed the keys and learn on the go. And Foster is a fantastic looking prospect.

    I think Jason alluded earlier that if Mitchell elected to return that the forwards room would be incredibly crowded. Even though Mgbako, Stewart and Power all have differences in their respective games, Mitchell may find it tough in a logjam for minutes.

    I have no idea what is going through the mind of Proctor, but with McCain and Foster's arrival, I'm sure his minutes would see a little cap. Inevitably there has to be some attrition, either by declaring for the draft of transfer.
    If Roach chooses to leave, where does he go? Overseas or tranfer portal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie View Post
    If Roach chooses to leave, where does he go? Overseas or tranfer portal?
    I would tend to believe he goes overseas or the G-League route, but for all intents and purposes, does it matter? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingdutchdevil View Post
    Gimme a senior Roach or a sophomore Proctor over next year's freshman. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Roach hasn't improved much from this year to last. He's still shoot-first, and his shot isn't very good.

    But I want the experience and the leadership of those two players.
    Worth noting that Proctor was rated about where Foster and McCain were in the few recruiting services that ranked him before he reclassed. So based on that and the fact that he will have had a year in the system and against college players, I agree. When the recruiting rankings are reasonably close, the experience can make the difference. That said, I'll be surprised if Proctor returns.

    I have been as big a supporter of Roach as there is on this board. But I had hoped he'd be better. I was not expecting an elite passing season from him, but was thinking more like Nolan Smith's junior year. I will say that IF the team next year has better shooters around him, I think he could find that form. And who knows? Maybe he pulls a Nolan Smith and becomes a PG as a senior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie View Post
    If Roach chooses to leave, where does he go? Overseas or tranfer portal?
    This question answers itself. As far as I can tell he's not on a single mock draft board, and I can't recall a player ever leaving early to play overseas.

    Kids that choose the G-League (especially in place of college) tend to be super-athletic but raw and don't want to be distracted by academics. As far as I can tell Roach is neither of those things, and he would probably make more on NIL than G-league anyway.

    Roach will be the PG next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartford Dukie View Post
    Or Enter the Portal
    Yep. This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Worth noting that Proctor was rated about where Foster and McCain were in the few recruiting services that ranked him before he reclassed. So based on that and the fact that he will have had a year in the system and against college players, I agree. When the recruiting rankings are reasonably close, the experience can make the difference. That said, I'll be surprised if Proctor returns.

    I have been as big a supporter of Roach as there is on this board. But I had hoped he'd be better. I was not expecting an elite passing season from him, but was thinking more like Nolan Smith's junior year. I will say that IF the team next year has better shooters around him, I think he could find that form. And who knows? Maybe he pulls a Nolan Smith and becomes a PG as a senior.
    Roach's defense has gotten better. His advanced stats are pretty solid on that end.

    But offensively, the kid just cannot shoot (I understand this is applicable to basically all of our guards this year). His FG is down early 8% from soph to junior! I understand usage is up from 17% to 22%, but my goodness! 8%!!!!! His assists per 100 possessions is identical and his turnovers are worse than last year (but better than this freshman year). Roach has improved defensively and I'd like to think his leadership too, but his offense is still 'meh' at best and arguably poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartford Dukie View Post
    Or Enter the Portal
    Exactly. I think it's weird that someone might ask where else would so and so go. The answer is to the transfer portal to quickly transfer to any school in the nation without having to sit out a year anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Worth noting that Proctor was rated about where Foster and McCain were in the few recruiting services that ranked him before he reclassed. So based on that and the fact that he will have had a year in the system and against college players, I agree. When the recruiting rankings are reasonably close, the experience can make the difference. That said, I'll be surprised if Proctor returns.

    I have been as big a supporter of Roach as there is on this board. But I had hoped he'd be better. I was not expecting an elite passing season from him, but was thinking more like Nolan Smith's junior year. I will say that IF the team next year has better shooters around him, I think he could find that form. And who knows? Maybe he pulls a Nolan Smith and becomes a PG as a senior.
    I had probably unrealistically high expectations for Jeremy coming into the season. He has definitely not improved. I do think his toe is having an impact on his current bad stretch.

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