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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    It seems like about half of those guys didn’t turn out to be excellent (above 40%) three-point shooters in college. It also matters more if you can hit them in the crucial moments of the big games and not just against lesser opponents when the physical and mental pressure is not nearly as great.

    I would prefer that Duke target three-point shooters through the transfer option — guys who have already proven themselves on the college level. Lots of players can shoot well in high school, but it doesn’t necessarily translate to the Duke level.

    Whatever it is there’s a reason that Duke is not consistently among the leaders in three-point shooting (not even close, I don’t think) even though they are the recruiting behemoth of all of college basketball. Something doesn’t add up.

    There was a time year in year out we had good three point shooters. We were known for making more foul shots than our opponents took, and we had consistent foul shooting which obviously helps in close games. Those factors should not matter whether one and done or 4 year based teams. Now when we shoot free throws especially at the end of games, I cross my fingers and close my eyes. For years now, we usually leave too many points off the board ( is that the right expression)

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Good thing we have two weeks to steam over this loss. Because that means our players and coaches do too.

    Let's get after it!!!
    Seems a bit odd to have such a long break this time of year no?

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by duke96 View Post
    Seems a bit odd to have such a long break this time of year no?
    Fairly common in recent years, from my memories.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Fairly common in recent years, from my memories.
    Every year for exams.

  5. #305
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    Every year for exams.
    … then usually a second one for the holidays/semester break, although this year I think it is only for one week …

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Messimorgan17 View Post
    There was a time year in year out we had good three point shooters. We were known for making more foul shots than our opponents took, and we had consistent foul shooting which obviously helps in close games. Those factors should not matter whether one and done or 4 year based teams. Now when we shoot free throws especially at the end of games, I cross my fingers and close my eyes. For years now, we usually leave too many points off the board ( is that the right expression)
    Here's Duke's FT% for all of Coach K's 42 years at Duke:

    Code:
    Year	FT%
    1990	76.35%
    2017	76.25%
    2006	76.13%
    2010	75.86%
    2011	75.30%
    1992	74.78%
    2022*	74.60%
    2000	74.19%
    1983	73.90%
    2013	73.87%
    2004	73.60%
    2014	72.92%
    1991	72.64%
    1984	72.40%
    2016	72.29%
    1993	72.08%
    2009	71.99%
    2020	71.98%
    1988	71.85%
    1986	71.60%
    2005	71.25%
    2003	71.24%
    1994	71.14%
    2018	71.05%
    1987	70.98%
    1999	70.48%
    1996	70.30%
    2012	70.14%
    1997	70.04%
    2015	69.87%
    2008	69.72%
    2001	69.56%
    1985	69.30%
    2021	69.08%
    2002	68.98%
    2007	68.91%
    2019	68.62%
    1982	67.90%
    1981	67.70%
    1989	67.47%
    1998	67.40%
    1995	67.05%
    * so far

    If we keep up our current pace this year's team would be the 7th best FT shooting team of Coach K's time at Duke. Perhaps you should open your eyes.

    You imply we've been poor at FT shooting "for years now," but 7 of our top 15 FT shooting teams have come since 2010.

    Also, we've made more free throws this season than our opponents have attempted (103 to 80).
    Last edited by Kedsy; 12-04-2021 at 04:53 PM.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    Every year for exams.
    Thought that was usually later in dec. thanks

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Here's Duke's FT% for all of Coach K's 42 years at Duke:

    Code:
    Year	FT%
    1990	76.35%
    2017	76.25%
    2006	76.13%
    2010	75.86%
    2011	75.30%
    1992	74.78%
    2022*	74.60%
    2000	74.19%
    1983	73.90%
    2013	73.87%
    2004	73.60%
    2014	72.92%
    1991	72.64%
    1984	72.40%
    2016	72.29%
    1993	72.08%
    2009	71.99%
    2020	71.98%
    1988	71.85%
    1986	71.60%
    2005	71.25%
    2003	71.24%
    1994	71.14%
    2018	71.05%
    1987	70.98%
    1999	70.48%
    1996	70.30%
    2012	70.14%
    1997	70.04%
    2015	69.87%
    2008	69.72%
    2001	69.56%
    1985	69.30%
    2021	69.08%
    2002	68.98%
    2007	68.91%
    2019	68.62%
    1982	67.90%
    1981	67.70%
    1989	67.47%
    1998	67.40%
    1995	67.05%
    * so far

    If we keep up our current pace this year's team would be the 7th best FT shooting team of Coach K's time at Duke. Perhaps you should open your eyes.

    You imply we've been poor at FT shooting "for years now," but 7 of our top 15 FT shooting teams have come since 2010.

    Also, we've made more free throws this season than our opponents have attempted (103 to 80).
    There is always the question of how teams shoot when there is game pressure. Or how many front ends of one and ones are missed etc. Raw FT shooting % does not reveal everything. All that said- Duke shot 60% against Gonzaga in a close game and 75% against OSU. They are probably going to be in the low 70’s for the season. The question for me is whether anyone will end up above 40% in threes.

  9. #309
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukelifer View Post
    The question for me is whether anyone will end up above 40% in threes.
    As long we're hitting 33% as a team and getting good open looks, that should be enough to space the floor. I don't believe this team needs to shoot a ton of 3s to win. We're taking too many 3s, IMO, and we're not good enough on the offensive glass to get 2nd shots on misses. We would be more efficient if we played to our strengths: get the ball inside via drive or pass and force the defense to play a physical game. This team is bigger/stronger/more athletic at multiple positions all the time. Shooting a ton of 3s is exactly what opposing coaches want us to do.

    Some of the most frustrating moments from the 2nd half of the Ohio State game for me were when we kept taking bad shots early in the shot clock. And when we did get it in the paint, we took shots trying to avoid contact (fades, floaters). The officials definitely had something to do with this, since it seemed like the entire team was allergic to contact in the final 4 minutes of the game. Those ticky tack charge calls earlier in the half made us change the way we attacked them.

  10. #310
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    Really enjoyed the front page article from Mr. Sumner that recaps the Zoom conference from Nolan Smith. He echoes a lot of what we've been discussing here since the OSU game - lack of ball movement on offense, lack of team play leading to bad shots, and a sense of contentment after the big Gonzaga win. Really good point about missing kickouts to open shooters. When you trade a potential wide open shot for a heavily contested shot, over the course of the game you're costing yourself a lot of points.

    I like the term "team shot," meaning the best shot that the team can get rather than the best shot an individual can get. That must be a really hard concept to instill in young players who have been the focal point of their offense for their whole lives, but maybe a loss will help develop a teaching moment. Also it's good to know that the coaches are in fact aware that players get tired when they play too many minutes, and that a bench can help offset that .

    Reading between the lines a little, it sounds like there wasn't much time to teach or develop in between the Gonzaga and OSU games, but now that they have a break and some easier games they can make adjustments and put some new wrinkles in place. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the team looks over the upcoming stretch.

  11. #311

    Team Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Really enjoyed the front page article from Mr. Sumner that recaps the Zoom conference from Nolan Smith. He echoes a lot of what we've been discussing here since the OSU game - lack of ball movement on offense, lack of team play leading to bad shots, and a sense of contentment after the big Gonzaga win. Really good point about missing kickouts to open shooters. When you trade a potential wide open shot for a heavily contested shot, over the course of the game you're costing yourself a lot of points.

    I like the term "team shot," meaning the best shot that the team can get rather than the best shot an individual can get. That must be a really hard concept to instill in young players who have been the focal point of their offense for their whole lives, but maybe a loss will help develop a teaching moment. Also it's good to know that the coaches are in fact aware that players get tired when they play too many minutes, and that a bench can help offset that .

    Reading between the lines a little, it sounds like there wasn't much time to teach or develop in between the Gonzaga and OSU games, but now that they have a break and some easier games they can make adjustments and put some new wrinkles in place. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the team looks over the upcoming stretch.
    Thanks, UC, for your excellent post. I also really like the term "team shot" -- that there's a synthetic team buildup to any single shot taken.

    I'm also struck by Coach K's delegating to a young assistant coach, Nolan, the task and opportunity of articulating to the media the learnings from a significant team loss [our only one this season]. I would have been positively impressed by giving this task to Scheyer. To give this role to Nolan is impressive and encouraging. And, IMV, Nolan did a great job -- he was honest, insightful and supportive of his players.
    “I love it. Coach, when we came here, we had a three-hour meeting about the core values. If you really represent the core values, it means diving on the floor, sacrificing your body for your teammates, no matter how much you’re up by or how much you’re down by, always playing hard.” -- Zion

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