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**HereBeforeCoachK** · 12-08-2021, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by duke79

So another potential Duke hire is off the table? Jeez, maybe Jason Garrett WILL be the new Duke head coach! (just joking here, I think it is extremely unlikely Duke would go down that road. Too much risk with such a pick).

Not saying one way or the other on Garrett...but Elliott was the WRONG guy for Duke....

**-jk** · 12-08-2021, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK

Not saying one way or the other on Garrett...but Elliott was the WRONG guy for Duke...

Sigh. C'mon, show your work.

-jk

**TywinBlue** · 12-08-2021, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Steven43

If Duke chose Jason “Vanilla Meh” Garrett as head coach I would be 100% out on Blue Devils football for the rest of my life.

Ditto

**brevity** · 12-08-2021, 09:29 PM

According to sources, Miami did the whole process backwards.

First: pursue new head football coach (December 3-5)
Second: fire existing head football coach (December 6)
Third: hire new athletic director (December 8)

**HereBeforeCoachK** · 12-08-2021, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by -jk

Sigh. C'mon, show your work.

-jk

I have, earlier. Even got sporks for it. My theory is that Elliott's offensive success at Clemson (and the same for Chad Morris) was based on superior speed, talent, size...not based on scheme. I futher theorized that a lot of coaches could score points with Etienne, Lawrence, and their receiver group. Chad Morris also bombed as a head coach. And then there's the fact that Clemson fans are hoping and praying someone hires him away....so Dabo doesn't have to fire him.

Seems I can't win. When I repeat a theory, I get slammed for that. When I don't, I get slammed for that. It is what it is.

**CrazyNotCrazie** · 12-08-2021, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK

I have, earlier. Even got sporks for it. My theory is that Elliott's offensive success at Clemson (and the same for Chad Morris) was based on superior speed, talent, size...not based on scheme. I futher theorized that a lot of coaches could score points with Etienne, Lawrence, and their receiver group. Chad Morris also bombed as a head coach. And then there's the fact that Clemson fans are hoping and praying someone hires him away...so Dabo doesn't have to fire him.

Seems I can't win. When I repeat a theory, I get slammed for that. When I don't, I get slammed for that. It is what it is.

Believe it or not we don't all keep detailed notes on all of your analyses and how you defended your latest theory/hot take.

Slow down. Read the room. There are a lot of really smart, interesting, charismatic posters here.

**Steven43** · 12-08-2021, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK

Seems I can't win. When I repeat a theory, I get slammed for that. When I don't, I get slammed for that. It is what it is.

Somebody has to be the punching bag; it’s an important role. 😜

**laxdawg97** · 12-08-2021, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK

I have, earlier. Even got sporks for it. My theory is that Elliott's offensive success at Clemson (and the same for Chad Morris) was based on superior speed, talent, size...not based on scheme. I futher theorized that a lot of coaches could score points with Etienne, Lawrence, and their receiver group. Chad Morris also bombed as a head coach.

Morris bombed as a HC because he believed his rep as a scheme guru and QB whisperer meant he could short-change other elements of the CEO job. He bolted SMU before it caught up with him there, but got exposed quickly in the SEC.

To me, Clemson's track record of player development is far more relevant to Duke than anything they've done schematically. Yes, they benefited from a weak conference schedule to preserve their depth, but they also beat Alabama on the biggest stage with recruiting classes mostly ranked in the teens. Particularly impressive is how they've developed the OL room.

Elliott has also never coached QBs, and as long as our interview committee understands how to scrutinize staff construction, the risk of the shortcomings you cite is very manageable. Culture, recruiting, and player development are what Duke needs to prioritize, and where Elliott's Clemson tenure excites me.

My key concerns with Elliott are:

A) Clemson staff stability = fewer potential hires whom he's worked alongside = higher risk of misses. He may end up battling for first-choice position coaches with Venables and OU, who will win the bidding war 100/100 times.
B) While Duke needs to recruit beyond the SEC footprint, Elliott has never played or coaches outside of the state of SC; in fairness, he is a CA native, but ties TBD.

**budwom** · 12-09-2021, 09:06 AM

Sounds like Elliott and his family went to Charlottesville, so I suspect that's where he ends up...

**CameronBornAndBred** · 12-09-2021, 09:20 AM

Ex-Duke DC Mike MacIntyre is replacing Butch Davis at FIU.

MacIntyre, the former coach at Colorado and San Jose State, emerged Wednesday in FIU's search, as ESPN first reported, and an agreement was finalized early Thursday. He replaces Butch Davis, who went 24-32 at Florida International and 1-11 this season.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...football-coach

MacIntyre returned to college football as defensive coordinator for Duke from 2008 to 2009. His defenses produced two of the best seasons statistically the Blue Devils had achieved. In 2009, the American Football Coaches Association recognized MacIntyre as FBS Assistant Coach of the Year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_MacIntyre

**TheDevilMadeMeDoIt** · 12-09-2021, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred

Ex-Duke DC Mike MacIntyre is replacing Butch Davis at FIU.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...football-coach

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_MacIntyre

Yep, those were the good old days, lose a good defensive coordinator and replace with equally good Jim Knowles. Then we starting replacing experienced assistants with young inexperienced guys. Wonder why we went down hill?

**HoKogan** · 12-09-2021, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMeDoIt

Yep, those were the good old days, lose a good defensive coordinator and replace with equally good Jim Knowles. Then we starting replacing experienced assistants with young inexperienced guys. Wonder why we went down hill?

When Latina was replaced by Marcus Johnson and then Jim Bridge (who was AWFUL), thats when the new assistants really started to decline in quality IMO...so 2017 I think?

**Acymetric** · 12-09-2021, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by HoKogan

When Latina was replaced by Marcus Johnson and then Jim Bridge (who was AWFUL), thats when the new assistants really started to decline in quality IMO...so 2017 I think?

If we wanted to do a post-mortem on Cutcliffe's tenure and where things went wrong, I think the place to start is to find the last time he said "we are competing for championships" and then look at why he might have quit saying it. Seems like it was probably around that time (although maybe I've just been missing it)...

**TheDevilMadeMeDoIt** · 12-09-2021, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Acymetric

If we wanted to do a post-mortem on Cutcliffe's tenure and where things went wrong, I think the place to start is to find the last time he said "we are competing for championships" and then look at why he might have quit saying it. Seems like it was probably around that time (although maybe I've just been missing it)...

Excellent point.

**AustinDevil** · 12-10-2021, 02:09 AM