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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    I meant winning a World Series. The Dodgers defeated the Yankees in the 1981 World Series, no?

    4-1 Red Sox, now. The Yankees are done …
    Saw the line with “World Series” but didn’t connect the word “winning” in the paragraph above that. So, in the words of the late Emily Latella, “Nevermind!”

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by DU82 View Post
    Saw the line with “World Series” but didn’t connect the word “winning” in the paragraph above that. So, in the words of the late Emily Latella, “Nevermind!”
    All good, my friend. I knew what you meant. Sorry about the Yankees, but they’re still well positioned for the next few years. Even if they get a new skipper. That AL East division is a gauntlet, though … or as Coach K would say, a meat grinder …

  3. #23

    Joe West to call balls and strikes behind plate in NL Wild Card Game

    Hoo boy … this one could get interesting …

    Country Joe West has the dish tonight at Dodger Stadium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    Hoo boy … this one could get interesting …

    Country Joe West has the dish tonight at Dodger Stadium.
    Is Frank Drebin busy protecting the Queen from Reggie Jackson?

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    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    Hoo boy … this one could get interesting …

    Country Joe West has the dish tonight at Dodger Stadium.
    I was appalled when I read that. Joe West isn't a very good home plate umpire.

    I suppose that Scherzer and Wainwright have both pitched a lot of games with Joe West as the home plate umpire, so at least they know what to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MChambers View Post
    I suppose that Scherzer and Wainwright have both pitched a lot of games with Joe West as the home plate umpire, so at least they know what to expect.
    Does anyone really know what to expect when Joe West is behind the plate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phredd3 View Post
    Does anyone really know what to expect when Joe West is behind the plate?
    West is terrible, but he isn't even close to being the worst MLB ump in my lifetime; that's Angel Hernandez.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasputin View Post
    West is terrible, but he isn't even close to being the worst MLB ump in my lifetime; that's Angel Hernandez.
    C.B. Bucknor would like a word as well.
    CameronDuke's original point and MChambers' follow-up (among others) remain on target, though: It's utterly inexplicable that MLB continues to trot him out, let alone in a very high-stakes game on a featured stage.
    And they do it all the time. Sam Holbrook, another awful umpire, made the single worst call I ever witnessed in person at the approximately 500 MLB games I attended over the course of a quarter century or so (the infield fly ruling at the 2012 Braves vs. Cardinals wild card game...a call I will never get over despite the fact that the Barves and MLB are largely dead to me), and then was back in action to make another awful call on a runner interference play in the 2019 World Series.
    And these are but two of many examples of how in so, so, many ways, MLB has its proverbial head up its [posterior].

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    C.B. Bucknor would like a word as well.
    CameronDuke's original point and MChambers' follow-up (among others) remain on target, though: It's utterly inexplicable that MLB continues to trot him out, let alone in a very high-stakes game on a featured stage.
    And they do it all the time. Sam Holbrook, another awful umpire, made the single worst call I ever witnessed in person at the approximately 500 MLB games I attended over the course of a quarter century or so (the infield fly ruling at the 2012 Braves vs. Cardinals wild card game...a call I will never get over despite the fact that the Barves and MLB are largely dead to me), and then was back in action to make another awful call on a runner interference play in the 2019 World Series.
    And these are but two of many examples of how in so, so, many ways, MLB has its proverbial head up its [posterior].
    Funny you mention that infield fly call. I was just discussing that play in the 2012 wild card game with a friend the other day. Like you said, it was a totally wrong call and a terrible one, too. And I am a Cardinals fan. I actually grew up a huge Braves fan. I was angry for the Braves that night. Andrelton Simmons was batting and hit a fly ball to shallow left field. Pete Kozma drifted out from his shortstop position to catch the pop up but it was out of his range so he deferred to a charging Matt Holliday from left field. The two stood there looking at one another and the ball fell in between them. The infield fly rule states essentially the infielder has to exert “ordinary effort” in order to potentially catch the pop up. Kozma was on his horse and was never really displaying to me in my judgment that he was going to be able to catch the darn thing. For the umpires to call that an infield fly was bizarre. He never was fully under the baseball to make the catch. Infield fly rule judgment calls don’t even have to be on the infield. If the infielder can run into the outfield and exert ordinary effort to catch a pop up, it can still be an infield fly call. That was a terrible call. The Atlanta fans tossed beer bottles onto the field after that for quite a while.

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    Scherzer and Wainwright

    Quote Originally Posted by Phredd3 View Post
    Does anyone really know what to expect when Joe West is behind the plate?
    Scherzer and Wainwright know to expect the unexpected!

  11. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    Funny you mention that infield fly call...That was a terrible call. The Atlanta fans tossed beer bottles onto the field after that for quite a while.
    It really and truly was the single worst officiating call I've ever seen live, in any sport.
    Another thing that really galled me about the post-mortem of that moment was that after years of dismissing Atlanta fans as "fickle" or "lukewarm" or whatever, suddenly the talking heads did an about face to castigate attendees for being too invested in that moment. I of course get that it's never appropriate to throw things on the field, but if ever a group of fans had legitimate cause to be truly livid in that way, it was Barves fans at that game. Many in the city are still angry about it, and it's seriously one of those things you just don't bring up around here.
    And again, that Sam Holbrook not only didn't face significant discipline, but also became a crew chief a few years later and continues to umpire in high-stakes and high-visibility postseason games...just beggars belief to me. As most of y'all know, I swore off the Barves (and basically baseball in general) in 2013, but I still find it unfathomable that these men are still allowed to officiate games.

  12. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    Funny you mention that infield fly call. I was just discussing that play in the 2012 wild card game with a friend the other day. Like you said, it was a totally wrong call and a terrible one, too. And I am a Cardinals fan. I actually grew up a huge Braves fan. I was angry for the Braves that night. Andrelton Simmons was batting and hit a fly ball to shallow left field. Pete Kozma drifted out from his shortstop position to catch the pop up but it was out of his range so he deferred to a charging Matt Holliday from left field. The two stood there looking at one another and the ball fell in between them. The infield fly rule states essentially the infielder has to exert “ordinary effort” in order to potentially catch the pop up. Kozma was on his horse and was never really displaying to me in my judgment that he was going to be able to catch the darn thing. For the umpires to call that an infield fly was bizarre. He never was fully under the baseball to make the catch. Infield fly rule judgment calls don’t even have to be on the infield. If the infielder can run into the outfield and exert ordinary effort to catch a pop up, it can still be an infield fly call. That was a terrible call. The Atlanta fans tossed beer bottles onto the field after that for quite a while.
    I agree that it was a terrible call. I also think that the infield fly rule is the stupidest rule in baseball. IMO it would be cool to watch infielders let a pop-up drop and then try to get a double play. It wouldn't always work. Sometimes it would be an easy DP, but if you don't like it, then don't hit a pop-up (Joey Votto went several years between pop-outs).

  13. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
    Funny you mention that infield fly call. I was just discussing that play in the 2012 wild card game with a friend the other day. Like you said, it was a totally wrong call and a terrible one, too. And I am a Cardinals fan. I actually grew up a huge Braves fan. I was angry for the Braves that night. Andrelton Simmons was batting and hit a fly ball to shallow left field. Pete Kozma drifted out from his shortstop position to catch the pop up but it was out of his range so he deferred to a charging Matt Holliday from left field. The two stood there looking at one another and the ball fell in between them. The infield fly rule states essentially the infielder has to exert “ordinary effort” in order to potentially catch the pop up. Kozma was on his horse and was never really displaying to me in my judgment that he was going to be able to catch the darn thing. For the umpires to call that an infield fly was bizarre. He never was fully under the baseball to make the catch. Infield fly rule judgment calls don’t even have to be on the infield. If the infielder can run into the outfield and exert ordinary effort to catch a pop up, it can still be an infield fly call. That was a terrible call. The Atlanta fans tossed beer bottles onto the field after that for quite a while.
    Maybe it was payback for the Don Denkinger call that went against the Cardinals in the 6th game of the 1985 World Series. The Cardinals were up 3 games to 2. The call in question came in the bottom of the ninth inning with the Cardinals leading 1-0. He called the KC leadoff hitter, Jorga Orta safe at first base when he was out by at least half step. The Royals went on to win the game and in the 7th game, the Royals routed the Cards, To his credit he later owned up to the bad call.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    It really and truly was the single worst officiating call I've ever seen live, in any sport.
    .
    Jim Joyce says hi, and he ruined a man's one chance at a perfect game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    Jim Joyce says hi, and he ruined a man's one chance at a perfect game.
    I remember that game vividly. Ack.
    As for Joe, he gets hungry late in games, the strike zone expands (the kitchen closes at 11), plan accordingly. The game should be good for at least one major brouhaha.

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    I beg to differ

    Quote Originally Posted by curtis325 View Post
    I agree that it was a terrible call. I also think that the infield fly rule is the stupidest rule in baseball. IMO it would be cool to watch infielders let a pop-up drop and then try to get a double play. It wouldn't always work. Sometimes it would be an easy DP, but if you don't like it, then don't hit a pop-up (Joey Votto went several years between pop-outs).
    I was surprised at the call at the time, but when I read the articles about it the next day and also read the wording of the infield fly rule, I concluded that the umpire made the call required by the rule. One can question whether the infield fly rule should apply that far from the, uh, infield, but by its terms it does.

    So I'll go with the 2019 WS interference call on Turner as the worst in recent years.

  17. #37
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    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    Jim Joyce says hi, and he ruined a man's one chance at a perfect game.
    No doubt, he missed the call, but Joyce was one of the good umpires. I saw a game on TV late in Joyce's last year, and he didn't miss a single pitch the entire game. It was the best HP job I've ever seen.

    Also, he wrote some mighty impressive novels, even if they were hard, or even impossible, to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    Jim Joyce says hi, and he ruined a man's one chance at a perfect game.
    Oh I'm not denying that there have been other catastrophically terrible calls; I'm just referring to ones I've witnessed live in the however many hundreds of sporting events I've attended over the years.

    Like, Grave Digger got robbed by the judges at Atlanta Monster Jam a couple of years ago.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    Maybe it was payback for the Don Denkinger call that went against the Cardinals in the 6th game of the 1985 World Series. The Cardinals were up 3 games to 2. The call in question came in the bottom of the ninth inning with the Cardinals leading 1-0. He called the KC leadoff hitter, Jorga Orta safe at first base when he was out by at least half step. The Royals went on to win the game and in the 7th game, the Royals routed the Cards, To his credit he later owned up to the bad call.
    Yes the Redbirds got hosed there. He did admit he was wrong which was nice to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Oh I'm not denying that there have been other catastrophically terrible calls; I'm just referring to ones I've witnessed live in the however many hundreds of sporting events I've attended over the years.

    Like, Grave Digger got robbed by the judges at Atlanta Monster Jam a couple of years ago.
    Such a good post.

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