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  1. #301
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    Austin, TX
    Likely a low rated World Series but it should be fun. Braves seem like a likable team. And I don’t have to hear Bellinger whine and moan. So that’s good. Looking forward to it.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by A-Tex Devil View Post
    Likely a low rated World Series but it should be fun. Braves seem like a likable team. And I don’t have to hear Bellinger whine and moan. So that’s good. Looking forward to it.
    Everyone not in Houston will be rooting for the Bravos.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Everyone not in Houston will be rooting for the Bravos.
    I don't really have a problem with Houston. Baseball has a deeeeeeep vein of "extra curricular" activities. It is part and parcel of the game. Spitballs, pine tar, steroids, sign stealing, scuffing.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    I don't really have a problem with Houston. Baseball has a deeeeeeep vein of "extra curricular" activities. It is part and parcel of the game. Spitballs, pine tar, steroids, sign stealing, scuffing.
    I suspect you are in the minority. Everyone I know that cares about baseball is anti-Astros.

    Admittedly, it's a small group.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I suspect you are in the minority. Everyone I know that cares about baseball is anti-Astros.

    Admittedly, it's a small group.
    Oh I agree. I just think that is a smidge selective, given the history. But I am a Braves fan, so I am against the Astros. Just not because of the sign stealing. That I don't care about.

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    Oh I agree. I just think that is a smidge selective, given the history. But I am a Braves fan, so I am against the Astros. Just not because of the sign stealing. That I don't care about.
    There is a difference in sign stealing from
    Second base and using video to steal signs.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by kshepinthehouse View Post
    There is a difference in sign stealing from
    Second base and using video to steal signs.
    I don't love the use of technology. But there is a long history of cheating. I get it. And there is a difference.

  8. #308
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    Steamboat Springs, CO
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Everyone not in Houston will be rooting for the Bravos.
    Not I -- I've been an Astros fan since Joe Morgan and Rusty Staub played there. i should add that, until the last five years, it has been "long suffering."
    Sage Grouse

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  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Not I -- I've been an Astros fan since Joe Morgan and Rusty Staub played there. i should add that, until the last five years, it has been "long suffering."
    Le Grande Orange!

  10. #310
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    Austin, TX
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Everyone not in Houston will be rooting for the Bravos.
    Don’t know what to do with that. I imagine it’s mostly true. And I imagine, based on some of the raw data people with way more time than any of us put together evaluating all of the bangs and the Astros’ home/road splits that the benefit was marginal making it more a crime of eye rolling stupidity more than anything else.

    I also believe, based on Beltran’s supposed push to institute something when he arrived back in Houston in 2017, that it is more common that not. But Astros got caught so benefit of doubt out the window. Totally get that. All they can do now is go out and win.

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by A-Tex Devil View Post
    Don’t know what to do with that. I imagine it’s mostly true. And I imagine, based on some of the raw data people with way more time than any of us put together evaluating all of the bangs and the Astros’ home/road splits that the benefit was marginal making it more a crime of eye rolling stupidity more than anything else.

    I also believe, based on Beltran’s supposed push to institute something when he arrived back in Houston in 2017, that it is more common that not. But Astros got caught so benefit of doubt out the window. Totally get that. All they can do now is go out and win.
    Agree with all of this.

  12. #312
    Dan Bern dropped another clever folk ditty today on the Tony Kornheiser Show.

    https://www.tonykornheisershow.com/archives

    Cue it up to exactly 31 minutes in. The chorus goes:

    27 pitchers
    gettin' one out each

  13. #313
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    St. Louis
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Everyone not in Houston will be rooting for the Bravos.
    Not I. I won't be rooting for either team (but I'll still watch). I can't abide cheaters, but I cannot support a team that encourages the Tomahawk Chop, either.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by rasputin View Post
    Not I. I won't be rooting for either team (but I'll still watch). I can't abide cheaters, but I cannot support a team that encourages the Tomahawk Chop, either.
    I hate the chop as well. I hate all native iconography and find it abhorrent for non native folks to engage in it. And I am a Braves fan but recognize how fraught that is.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by rasputin View Post
    Not I. I won't be rooting for either team (but I'll still watch). I can't abide cheaters, but I cannot support a team that encourages the Tomahawk Chop, either.
    I have no issues with the Atlanta Baseball Team.

  16. #316
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    St. Louis
    Quote Originally Posted by ClemmonsDevil View Post
    I hate the chop as well. I hate all native iconography and find it abhorrent for non native folks to engage in it. And I am a Braves fan but recognize how fraught that is.
    I fought with my undergraduate school, Southeast Missouri State, for decades, to dump the nickname "Indians." They changed their name, finally, to RedHawks, a move that, I am sure, had nothing to do with me. BTW, I loved SEMO. Cape Girardeau is a lot like Durham (I went to Duke for law school). I guess SEMO could have changed to RedNecks, and nobody would have noticed. (Kidding)

  17. #317
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    Winston Salem, NC
    Quote Originally Posted by rasputin View Post
    I fought with my undergraduate school, Southeast Missouri State, for decades, to dump the nickname "Indians." They changed their name, finally, to RedHawks, a move that, I am sure, had nothing to do with me. BTW, I loved SEMO. Cape Girardeau is a lot like Durham (I went to Duke for law school). I guess SEMO could have changed to RedNecks, and nobody would have noticed. (Kidding)
    Are you Native American decent? My wife is, on both sides of her family(Cherokee) and she doesn't see it in a negative way. She's proud of her Cherokee heritage and she sees it as a tribute to Native Americans. As for the game itself, I'll be rooting for the Braves because my Dad loved those Braves of old even though they weren't very good but I don't hate the Astros.

  18. #318
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    Washington, D.C.

    Yep

    Quote Originally Posted by rasputin View Post
    Not I. I won't be rooting for either team (but I'll still watch). I can't abide cheaters, but I cannot support a team that encourages the Tomahawk Chop, either.
    I can't root for either team. The Astros have a lineup full of cheaters that were not adequately punished for their misdeeds. I don't really dislike any of the Braves players, except for Will Smith, the closer, but I really don't like the tomahawk chop. I'm also old enough to remember Chief Knockahoma.

    I like Dusty Baker and think he does an amazing job in the regular season, but I don't think he is a particularly good postseason manager, to put it mildly.

    I probably won't watch any of this, but the rest of my family may turn the games on, so I won't be able to completely ignore it.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    Are you Native American decent? My wife is, on both sides of her family(Cherokee) and she doesn't see it in a negative way. She's proud of her Cherokee heritage and she sees it as a tribute to Native Americans. As for the game itself, I'll be rooting for the Braves because my Dad loved those Braves of old even though they weren't very good but I don't hate the Astros.
    I would echo that a year or two ago, when the WFT went through their name change process, the Braves entered into a partnership with the EBCI (Cherokee Nation from NC) to make sure the team portrays Native Americans in an appropriate manner. The relationship continues and the head of the EBCI was on the field at the outset of either the NLDS or NLCS leading the entire stadium in the chop. While I certainly wouldn't suppose to speak on behalf of any particular Native American and whether they are "OK" with the chop, it does seem like institutionally the Braves have done their DD and are acting accordingly.

    As an aside, I love the WS coming to Atlanta after the absurd movement to move the All Star game out of Atlanta at mid-season.
    My Quick Smells Like French Toast.

  20. #320
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    Vermont
    Quote Originally Posted by MChambers View Post
    I can't root for either team. The Astros have a lineup full of cheaters that were not adequately punished for their misdeeds. I don't really dislike any of the Braves players, except for Will Smith, the closer, but I really don't like the tomahawk chop. I'm also old enough to remember Chief Knockahoma.

    I like Dusty Baker and think he does an amazing job in the regular season, but I don't think he is a particularly good postseason manager, to put it mildly.

    I probably won't watch any of this, but the rest of my family may turn the games on, so I won't be able to completely ignore it.
    Ha, I agree, post season Dusty has done some really stupid things.

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