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  1. #341
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    If the front page is accurate, the Big and ACC may stand pat for the present time (although Texas A&M would warn that conference plotting isn’t always transparent).
    It would be prudent for Duke to have contingency plans. The NIL issue is a different challenge. It will be challenging for Duke NIL money to keep up with the big boys in basketball but there is no chance in football. Any attempt to compete will dilute basketball NIL $. So what if Duke decided, as a contingency, to chart their own course instead of continuously reacting to the winds of change? Why not prepare to be the Notre Dame of basketball? If they must have a conference, the Southern Conference should suffice for football and Olympic Sports although I don’t think Duke is ready to compete with App State yet in football. If that’s not appealing, just drop football altogether and find some kindred spirits like Wake, Vandy and UVA to merge with the A10. Then you could actually offer full baseball scholarships without 40 football Scholarships to match under Title IX. So no football but super strong Baseball and Hoops and a reasonable travel schedule for Olympic sports. I know the $$ don’t reflect it but the youngsters do not have the same interest in football as my generation or my parents generation. Most kids I know don’t don’t even dream of playing HS football these days . The TV $ is going to continue for the foreseeable future but idk if the stadiums will always be filled or if our kids will be anxious to fund a football scholarships in exchange for season tickets and a good parking space at the stadium. I think Duke could lead the way to an exciting brand of basketball that would be the envy of the blue bloods who sold out for football. At some point and time, those same winds of change might blow those guys back around to the league that Duke built.
    the duke students so oft criticized as not supporting athletics as much as students are the alumni donors of the future.
    1200. DDMF.

  2. #342
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    If the front page is accurate, the Big and ACC may stand pat for the present time (although Texas A&M would warn that conference plotting isn’t always transparent).
    It would be prudent for Duke to have contingency plans. The NIL issue is a different challenge. It will be challenging for Duke NIL money to keep up with the big boys in basketball but there is no chance in football. Any attempt to compete will dilute basketball NIL $. So what if Duke decided, as a contingency, to chart their own course instead of continuously reacting to the winds of change? Why not prepare to be the Notre Dame of basketball? If they must have a conference, the Southern Conference should suffice for football and Olympic Sports although I don’t think Duke is ready to compete with App State yet in football.
    You do realize that App State hasn't been in the SoCon for some time?

  3. #343
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    You do realize that App State hasn't been in the SoCon for some time?
    Yeah, the SoCon has taken a fairly large step back in the last decade. Believe App's last year in the conference was 2013, so a good while ago but not that​ long ago!

  4. #344
    Great idea! Duke takes a leadership role recognizing the future landscape of college sports. Sixty teams will not continue to compete for the expanded twelve team CFP. It’s too expensive. We all know the names of the national universities that can form a new alliance outside of the CFP. Frankly, it is Duke’s responsibility to design and sell this to similar institutions. Reach out to UVA to demonstrate that this includes private and public universities. Do it now.

  5. #345
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallcity View Post
    Even better, the SoCon tournament was held in what was then Duke Indoor Stadium at least a couple of times in the 1940s.
    I want to say -- "Every year at Duke Indoor until Reynolds Coliseum opened." Well, 1947-1950. Funny thing -- State won all four years. (Duke won in 1946 and 1944 at a venue in Raleigh.)
    Sage Grouse

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    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    You do realize that App State hasn't been in the SoCon for some time?
    Oops I should have known that since my son just graduated from Coastal. I don’t keep up with football much obviously. The Gamecocks have struggled against the SoConn and the Sunbelt lately so maybe that’s how I got confused.

    Duke football would have their hands full in the Sunbelt but I’d prefer a modified A10 if it came to that.

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkD83 View Post

    With any luck Duke could play Ala once a decade in football.
    Didn't we play them in 2010 and 2019? So business as usual 🙂

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by dudog84 View Post
    A lot more space in the sky than on an interstate.
    And a lot less margin for error way up high in the sky at 30,000-plus feet while flying at 600 mph!

    And if you prefer to not use the self-driving feature you could simply — get this — NOT USE IT!! Teslas perform admirably well with or without using self-driving mode. It’s all a matter of personal preference.

  9. #349
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    There aren't that many things that would get me to drop a multi-decade relationship with the Iron Dukes, but joining the SEC would surely do it. An absolutely horrific idea. Arguably the weakest aspect of Duke (football) dictating conference alignment? Seriously Jay?

  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    There aren't that many things that would get me to drop a multi-decade relationship with the Iron Dukes, but joining the SEC would surely do it. An absolutely horrific idea. Arguably the weakest aspect of Duke (football) dictating conference alignment? Seriously Jay?
    Well, Duke isn't choosing the driving powers here. Football is in the driver's seat, everyone else is a passenger. In the back seat. In a child's seat. Facing the rear.

    If Duke makes their own path with basketball first, I'll be excited. But they won't be aligned with most other power colleges. Which might be fine too.

    They need to think creatively and quickly. Much easier than building a respectable football program, but still not simple.

  11. #351
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Well, Duke isn't choosing the driving powers here. Football is in the driver's seat, everyone else is a passenger. In the back seat. In a child's seat. Facing the rear.

    If Duke makes their own path with basketball first, I'll be excited. But they won't be aligned with most other power colleges. Which might be fine too.

    They need to think creatively and quickly. Much easier than building a respectable football program, but still not simple.
    that's fine, but no one can convince me that the SEC is anything less than a horrific match for Duke. I'd be far, far happier with an alignment with the Big 10, it has a whole lot of very good academic instituions with whom we have MUCH more in common.

    As to the speed required right now, I'm hardly convinced. Yes, the Big 12 has had the radish, but they've been on death row for years. Acting quickly now makes little sense.

  12. #352
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    that's fine, but no one can convince me that the SEC is anything less than a horrific match for Duke. I'd be far, far happier with an alignment with the Big 10, it has a whole lot of very good academic instituions with whom we have MUCH more in common.

    As to the speed required right now, I'm hardly convinced. Yes, the Big 12 has had the radish, but they've been on death row for years. Acting quickly now makes little sense.
    And if Duke moves to the Big10 we can renew our rivalry with Maryland. maybe thats a bad idea.

  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    Well, Duke isn't choosing the driving powers here. Football is in the driver's seat, everyone else is a passenger. In the back seat. In a child's seat. Facing the rear.

    If Duke makes their own path with basketball first, I'll be excited. But they won't be aligned with most other power colleges. Which might be fine too.

    They need to think creatively and quickly. Much easier than building a respectable football program, but still not simple.
    Agree, I’ve thought joining Big East b-ball and letting football land “wherever” might work. But on another thread I see we are continuing the arms race by adding more athletic offices and facilities.

    I doubt Duke has a contingency plan for being left out of big boy football $$.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by arnie View Post
    Agree, I’ve thought joining Big East b-ball and letting football land “wherever” might work. But on another thread I see we are continuing the arms race by adding more athletic offices and facilities.

    I doubt Duke has a contingency plan for being left out of big boy football $$.
    I was worried we might stop beating our head against that cement wall.

    I see my level of optimism about football is shared by many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkD83 View Post
    And if Duke moves to the Big10 we can renew our rivalry with Maryland. maybe thats a bad idea.
    as long as they commit to only throwing empty plastic bottles at our fans, I'm OK with it. I barf at the notion of "competing" in football with Mississippi, Mizzippi State, LSU, Auburn et al...just a totally preposterous proposition. GIve me Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, Iowa any day of the week. Better yet, let's stop the panic and stay where we are.

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    as long as they commit to only throwing empty plastic bottles at our fans, I'm OK with it. I barf at the notion of "competing" in football with Mississippi, Mizzippi State, LSU, Auburn et al...just a totally preposterous proposition. GIve me Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, Iowa any day of the week. Better yet, let's stop the panic and stay where we are.
    I'm sure we would all prefer to stay where we are. I just don't know if that's going to end up an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I'm sure we would all prefer to stay where we are. I just don't know if that's going to end up an option.
    they may prove to be true, but I'd much rather align with the Big 10 if a move needs to be made...and I seriously would rather drop football than align with the SEC...talk about devaluing your brand, sheesh.
    In our last five years in the ACC, our conference record is 11-31, despite more admissions flexibility under Cut than we've ever had before (not saying that's terribly bad, but how do we compete in the SEC if we can hardly compete in the ACC?)

    https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/2...ig-ten-merger/

    even a Clemson site notes that a Big 10 merger might make more sense...

  18. #358
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    as long as they commit to only throwing empty plastic bottles at our fans, I'm OK with it. I barf at the notion of "competing" in football with Mississippi, Mizzippi State, LSU, Auburn et al...just a totally preposterous proposition. GIve me Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, Iowa any day of the week. Better yet, let's stop the panic and stay where we are.
    You think we’d win games against Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State but lose games against Ole Miss and MSU?

    Or is it that the SEC’s academics are challenged? if so take a look at recent ACC entries, and we’re now looking at Cincy and WVU, both of which have some excellent profs and excellent students but don’t have the academic chops of places like U Florida or Texas A&M.

    Having said that, I don’t like any of these changes, and wouldn’t like it even if it were basketball driven and allowing us enhanced prestige/cash/control.

  19. #359
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    I’m also skeptical about the supposed profits. Even if football keeps raking in cash (and nothing is guaranteed for a sport that many parents haven’t allow their boys to play for the past 20 years), it’s already true that most college sports programs don’t make much profit, and that’s before schools have to start flying their track team from Florida to play Oklahoma.

    Further, having grown up in Texas, much of the football watching was done within families, including families who attended a variety of schools that would routinely play each other. They went to UT, A&M, Baylor, SMU, OU, OSU, etc. While I was an anomaly going to Duke, it wouldn’t have remotely occurred to anybody to go to any school in the SEC aside from A&M. Okay, maybe Ole Miss. Maybe Vandy. And many of the people half-watching the games were people who didn’t care much about football but understood the social importance of, say, the Texas Tech game.

    It’s very similar to Duke playing Louisville. Sure, Louisville has good sports, but the only ACC people with family members or close buddies who attended Louisville are likely to be from Kentucky. So, it makes for a more competitive league, maybe, but the human drama gets attenuated, at least to casual observers. And the family members I know from, say, Oklahoma, are far more happy about beating Oklahoma State than they’d be about beating Tennessee. And they’d almost certainly prefer to beat OSU than to lose to Alabama in a regular season game.

    It’s just hard to see how these continuing realignments are good for college football, much less college athletics. To say nothing about the social aspects of college.

    But I guess it’s way too much to ask for any wisdom or perspective from the guys at the apex of sports, whether we’re talking ncaa, olympics, tennis, golf, nfl...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    And a lot less margin for error way up high in the sky at 30,000-plus feet while flying at 600 mph!
    Seriously? Literally nothing around you for at least a mile, including land. Versus being separated, probably surrounded, by feet from other speeding vehicles.

    Edit: I was going to add that I'm also not completely comfortable with the autopilot, and therefore include the youtube clip from Airplane!, but realized that it is probably not appropriate for the board.
    Last edited by dudog84; 07-28-2021 at 09:45 AM.

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