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  1. #381
    At least everyone has heard the term "YINZERS"

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by SamHouston View Post
    After Coach K retires, he can design a confederation for Duke and similar universities who are not a fit for the SEC or Super Conference. Your thoughts?
    Sam, havenít you heard the news that Coach K is keeping his Duke office? You canít be retired if youíre still coming to the office.

    Try to keep up, okay? 😉

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by SamHouston View Post
    Great idea! Duke takes a leadership role recognizing the future landscape of college sports. Sixty teams will not continue to compete for the expanded twelve team CFP. Itís too expensive. We all know the names of the national universities that can form a new alliance outside of the CFP. Frankly, it is Dukeís responsibility to design and sell this to similar institutions. Reach out to UVA to demonstrate that this includes private and public universities. Do it now.
    As a Hoo, I endorse this.

    Iíd love to see a fairly academically elite, basketball-focused conference with a not-too-crazy-large geographic footprint. Ideally, just drop football, as itís far too damaging to the brain and body, because eventually colleges will have to drop it for that reason, and because of the Title IX headaches it creates. If you must keep it, perhaps make it FCS and optional for member schools.

    I suggest this: Duke, Vandy, U.Va., UNC (sorry - omit that if you wish), Wake, GT, W&M, Georgetown, Villanova, and Davidson.

    You could have such a conference replicate the Big Ten by creating a parallel academic consortium, to commonly pursue research and offer cross-institutional opportunities to faculty, students, and alumni of member schools.

    Having said that, I wonder why such a highly selective school such as Duke wants to participate in the whorehouse of big-time revenue college sports. I love having elite basketball at Virginia, but is a comprehensive high-major college sports program worth all the distortion and negative externalities to the school? No.

    Admissions wise, yaíll are your own tier in the ACC. You should consider forming a UAA-style conference and academic consortium with true peers who currently arenít in the Ivy League. Perhaps Duke, Vandy, Emory, Rice, WashU, Chicago, Northwestern, and Hopkins. MIT too? You have no business getting down in the mud with Louisville and its ilk. Your better than that.

  4. #384
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeadingEdge View Post
    As a Hoo, I endorse this.

    Iíd love to see a fairly academically elite, basketball-focused conference with a not-too-crazy-large geographic footprint. Ideally, just drop football, as itís far too damaging to the brain and body, because eventually colleges will have to drop it for that reason, and because of the Title IX headaches it creates. If you must keep it, perhaps make it FCS and optional for member schools.

    I suggest this: Duke, Vandy, U.Va., UNC (sorry - omit that if you wish), Wake, GT, W&M, Georgetown, Villanova, and Davidson.

    You could have such a conference replicate the Big Ten by creating a parallel academic consortium, to commonly pursue research and offer cross-institutional opportunities to faculty, students, and alumni of member schools.

    Having said that, I wonder why such a highly selective school such as Duke wants to participate in the whorehouse of big-time revenue college sports. I love having elite basketball at Virginia, but is a comprehensive high-major college sports program worth all the distortion and negative externalities to the school? No.

    Admissions wise, yaíll are your own tier in the ACC. You should consider forming a UAA-style conference and academic consortium with true peers who currently arenít in the Ivy League. Perhaps Duke, Vandy, Emory, Rice, WashU, Chicago, Northwestern, and Hopkins. MIT too? You have no business getting down in the mud with Louisville and its ilk. Your better than that.
    everybody be tuning in and the donors giving the big bucks to see that hot Duke-on-MIT bball action!

    For better or worse, the basketball team drives a huge amount of international awareness for the school and donor dollars.

    At least one alumnus on this board chose duke over another similarly ranked school due to appreciating the sports culture there.
    basketball is back, baby!

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by LeadingEdge View Post


    Having said that, I wonder why such a highly selective school such as Duke wants to participate in the whorehouse of big-time revenue college sports. I love having elite basketball at Virginia, but is a comprehensive high-major college sports program worth all the distortion and negative externalities to the school? No.
    I love the Hoos on this board and their perspective. Having said, I agree that it i$ a real my$tery a$ to why $chool$ with high academic $tandard$ would participate in this gro$$ charade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I love the Hoos on this board and their perspective. Having said, I agree that it i$ a real my$tery a$ to why $chool$ with high academic $tandard$ would participate in this gro$$ charade.
    Are you trying to $ubtly $ay $something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    It works out to 32 if ACC/SEC keeps Notre Dame and adds Texas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia.

    Miami, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech
    UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake Forest
    Virginia, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
    Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, West Virginia

    Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
    Arkansas, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU
    Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida
    South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky


    Here's a look at the Big Ten/Pac 12. Added BYU plus 5 remnants of the Big XII.

    Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State
    Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin
    Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern
    Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma State

    Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
    Stanford, California, UCLA, USC
    Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
    BYU, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Baylor


    Those groupings of 4 are mostly to make the counting easier. Left out are Iowa State and TCU.
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    I'd much rather align with the Big 10 if a move needs to be made...
    So let's try that. The ACC/Big Ten keeps Notre Dame and adds Kansas, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia.

    Miami, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech
    UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake Forest
    Virginia, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
    Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, West Virginia

    Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State
    Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin
    Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern
    Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma State


    The SEC/Pac 12 adds Texas, Oklahoma, 3 more Big XII teams, and BYU.

    Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
    Arkansas, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU
    Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida
    South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky

    Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
    Stanford, California, UCLA, USC
    Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
    BYU, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Baylor


    If that looks like a cut-and-paste job, it's because it was. Originally I made four blocks of 16 teams (ACC plus West Virginia, Big Ten plus Kansas and Oklahoma State, SEC plus Texas and Oklahoma, Pac-12 plus BYU, Kansas State, Texas Tech, and Baylor), and just rearranged them this time.

    I don't see Iowa State getting picked either way. I may have underestimated TCU's chances before for the Big Ten/Pac-12 league -- it's the only power conference school in the Dallas-Fort Worth area -- but it's unlikely to make the cut in a SEC/Pac-12 league that would already have Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeadingEdge View Post

    Having said that, I wonder why such a highly selective school such as Duke wants to participate in the whorehouse of big-time revenue college sports.
    Thank you for the chuckles & please next time don't hold back.

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    i mean, it's not like this doesn't happen without the understanding that ESPN would support it...whether "not caring about the future of the B12" is the same as "destabilizing" is a bit of semantics.
    basketball is back, baby!

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    Worth considering that destabilizing the Big 12 would also happen to deal a serious blow to an ESPN competitor, maybe (that may have already been mentioned here...I'm losing track of what I read where).

    Edit: Had to laugh a little at reading that article ON ESPN! Felt a little like watching Roy talk in the third person.

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Are you trying to $ubtly $ay $something?
    It wa$ not particularly $ubtle if you a$k me.

  13. #393
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I love the Hoos on this board and their perspective. Having said, I agree that it i$ a real my$tery a$ to why $chool$ with high academic $tandard$ would participate in this gro$$ charade.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Are you trying to $ubtly $ay $something?
    $ubtlety is hard to avoid when all of the highest paid employees of an academic institution are sports figures.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    It wa$ not particularly $ubtle if you a$k me.
    I know. I was just trying to get in another $.

  15. #395

    I hope we are!

    Quote Originally Posted by LeadingEdge View Post
    As a Hoo, I endorse this.

    Iíd love to see a fairly academically elite, basketball-focused conference with a not-too-crazy-large geographic footprint. Ideally, just drop football, as itís far too damaging to the brain and body, because eventually colleges will have to drop it for that reason, and because of the Title IX headaches it creates. If you must keep it, perhaps make it FCS and optional for member schools.

    I suggest this: Duke, Vandy, U.Va., UNC (sorry - omit that if you wish), Wake, GT, W&M, Georgetown, Villanova, and Davidson.

    You could have such a conference replicate the Big Ten by creating a parallel academic consortium, to commonly pursue research and offer cross-institutional opportunities to faculty, students, and alumni of member schools.

    Having said that, I wonder why such a highly selective school such as Duke wants to participate in the whorehouse of big-time revenue college sports. I love having elite basketball at Virginia, but is a comprehensive high-major college sports program worth all the distortion and negative externalities to the school? No.

    Admissions wise, yaíll are your own tier in the ACC. You should consider forming a UAA-style conference and academic consortium with true peers who currently arenít in the Ivy League. Perhaps Duke, Vandy, Emory, Rice, WashU, Chicago, Northwestern, and Hopkins. MIT too? You have no business getting down in the mud with Louisville and its ilk. Your better than that.
    Thank you, Leading Edge! We will see what Duke's academic/athletic identity and character turn out to be. Values in abstract don't mean much. As Mark Twain once said, "There is nothing so weak as a value that's not been tested in the fire." Our institutional values are being tested.

    I like your values and your vision. Would be fun, and gratifying, to compete with schools that preserve a serious meaning to the student/athlete concept. Hope that UVA ends up being a competitive partner.

    As a later poster said, the Hoos posters on this board are classy, respectful and insightful. Even, especially, when you tell it like it is. My main complaint against you guys is that my dear wife, who I think likes me a lot, is downright smitten by your men's basketball coach. Not to blame you or anything.
    ďI love it. Coach, when we came here, we had a three-hour meeting about the core values. If you really represent the core values, it means diving on the floor, sacrificing your body for your teammates, no matter how much youíre up by or how much youíre down by, always playing hard.Ē -- Zion

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by uh_no View Post
    everybody be tuning in and the donors giving the big bucks to see that hot Duke-on-MIT bball action!
    You jest, and sure Duke would have a dramatic talent advantage over the other schools in this proposed non-Ivy academically elite conference.

    But have you seen how well MIT plays as a team? They ALWAYS have a core group of guys who have been playing together for four years ó no OADs at this basketball program, no sir! And when your team mascot is Tim the Beaver, well, letís just say our Blue Devil had better watch his back.

    I think MIT just might give Duke one heckuva run for their money. 😉
    Last edited by Steven43; 07-29-2021 at 01:40 AM.

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    Yes, but MIT's coach just invented flubber, so they'll still have a distinct advantage over us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    $ubtlety is hard to avoid when all of the highest paid employees of an academic institution are sports figures.
    Except for the MD's at Duke Medical Center, whose fees in a private corporation that need not disclose the amounts.
    Sage Grouse

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    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Except for the MD's at Duke Medical Center, whose fees in a private corporation that need not disclose the amounts.
    Reminds me of the local doc who, some decades ago, became the first employee who had a salary of more than $1 million...and he was frequently reprimanded for stealing other people's lunches out of the fridge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Reminds me of the local doc who, some decades ago, became the first employee who had a salary of more than $1 million...and he was frequently reprimanded for stealing other people's lunches out of the fridge...
    Dock his pay!

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