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  1. #941
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    I assume you're talking like adaptive cruise control? I don't personally use cruise control ever (or adaptive). But I do use things like parking sensors on my vehicle and do have the "emergency braking if about to crash into a wall/object" setting on my BMW on. But those two items don't impact my driving experience, but are "Driver assistance" perhaps. I think I actually have "low" lane assist on if drifting, it gives a gentle nudge, but isn't annoying like I've seen in some cars where a bright light goes on to tell you you're over the line. Still, a far cry from what Tesla is trying to do with "auto-pilot".
    Adaptive cruise control is wonderful when I-95 is really jammed up. Which is way too often.

    -jk

  2. #942
    Reserved a Polestar 2 from Hertz for next weekend in Philly. Not sure if I’ll get out of the city to do a proper eval, but looking forward to checking it out.

  3. #943
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    Reserved a Polestar 2 from Hertz for next weekend in Philly. Not sure if I’ll get out of the city to do a proper eval, but looking forward to checking it out.
    I would enjoy renting a Polestar much more than buying one...interested to hear what you think of it.

  4. #944
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    Quote Originally Posted by -jk View Post
    ... when I-95 is really jammed up. Which is way too often.

    -jk
    Ya think?

  5. #945
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    I would enjoy renting a Polestar much more than buying one...interested to hear what you think of it.
    I liked it. It’s not a Taycan, but it’s comfortable, reasonably quick, and got me where I needed to go with no drama whatsoever. I would rent it again.

  6. #946
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    I liked it. It’s not a Taycan, but it’s comfortable, reasonably quick, and got me where I needed to go with no drama whatsoever. I would rent it again.
    good info. I just rented my first car for the fall football season (Clemson!) and there are numerous electric car choices at Hertz, though you may not know what brand you're getting...at least that does away with the whole refueling option treachery.

  7. #947
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    good info. I just rented my first car for the fall football season (Clemson!) and there are numerous electric car choices at Hertz, though you may not know what brand you're getting...at least that does away with the whole refueling option treachery.
    Actually, it doesn’t. If you return an EV to Hertz at less than 70 percent state of charge, you get dinged $35.

  8. #948
    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    Actually, it doesn’t. If you return an EV to Hertz at less than 70 percent state of charge, you get dinged $35.
    I rented a Model 3 from Hertz and returned it with less than that and didn't get charged (last October). Maybe it depends on the location?

    Edit: I see that in their written policy now. Maybe I somehow got lucky or need to check my credit card statement! (Or that wasn't the policy at the time.)

    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    I liked it. It’s not a Taycan, but it’s comfortable, reasonably quick, and got me where I needed to go with no drama whatsoever. I would rent it again.
    That doesn't sound too much different than a standard rental then. Not a ringing endorsement, but maybe I'm reading too much into it. Everything is relative of course. My next rental is a manual transmission Ford Focus wagon in Europe given the cost difference for large/automatic/EV vehicles is obscene there. But it should get the job done with no drama. At least I'm going to a country where they drive on the same side of the road...my manual transmission SUV on opposite side road with a newborn and 2-year old on winding narrow Irish countryside roads was an adventure ... but made it through unscathed!

  9. #949
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    Actually, it doesn’t. If you return an EV to Hertz at less than 70 percent state of charge, you get dinged $35.
    ha, good to know. And I don't have the slightest idea of where to recharge near RDU, nor do I plan to. Petroleum products it is!

  10. #950
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    ha, good to know. And I don't have the slightest idea of where to recharge near RDU, nor do I plan to. Petroleum products it is!
    there are plenty of Tesla chargers AND ev points near rdu...
    "One POSSIBLE future. From your point of view... I don't know tech stuff.".... Kyle Reese

  11. #951
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonpie23 View Post
    there are plenty of Tesla chargers AND ev points near rdu...
    of that I have no doubt, but when I'm down for a football weekend I don't plan on spending any time watching my car re-charge, I just want to watch football, eat good food and sleep.

  12. #952
    Tesla is recalling approximately 16,000 Models S and X. Apparently it failed to properly reconnect front seat belts after an earlier repair.

    That’s so Elon.

    Meanwhile, remember the big to-do earlier in the year about Tesla retrofitting Superchargers with CCS adapters? Well, six months later the original eleven stations so equipped (eight in upstate New York, one on Long Island, and two in Northern California) are still the only stations so equipped.

  13. #953
    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    Tesla is recalling approximately 16,000 Models S and X. Apparently it failed to properly reconnect front seat belts after an earlier repair.

    That’s so Elon.

    Meanwhile, remember the big to-do earlier in the year about Tesla retrofitting Superchargers with CCS adapters? Well, six months later the original eleven stations so equipped (eight in upstate New York, one on Long Island, and two in Northern California) are still the only stations so equipped.
    I just read an article today talking about how buying a non-Tesla EV in the next two years is basically stupid because manufacturers are going to move to Tesla's charging port/technology (NACS; and they will have access to Tesla Superchargers), but that's not happening until 2025. So, if you buy a non-Tesla in the next two years, you're basically locking in a technology that is about to die out (well, you can always get an adapter, but it's an extra hassle). It's like getting a VHS player when DVDs are about to make it an outdated technology. The article predicted EV leasing to go up because of this dynamic.

    Given EVs are much more "tech vehicles" than ICE cars, I wonder if leasing will become more in vogue a la the iPhone model of "swapping out" every few years. I guess they can do OTA updates, so it'd only be physical elements which don't evolve as much (once the charging standards land somewhere).

    Tesla's major advantage remains its charging network.

    Those that basically only charge at home (a.k.a use it as a "local/commuter" car), though, won't be as impacted and buying a non-Tesla EV could still make sense IMHO if it fits your needs.

  14. #954
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    I just read an article today talking about how buying a non-Tesla EV in the next two years is basically stupid because manufacturers are going to move to Tesla's charging port/technology (NACS; and they will have access to Tesla Superchargers), but that's not happening until 2025. So, if you buy a non-Tesla in the next two years, you're basically locking in a technology that is about to die out (well, you can always get an adapter, but it's an extra hassle). It's like getting a VHS player when DVDs are about to make it an outdated technology. The article predicted EV leasing to go up because of this dynamic.

    Given EVs are much more "tech vehicles" than ICE cars, I wonder if leasing will become more in vogue a la the iPhone model of "swapping out" every few years. I guess they can do OTA updates, so it'd only be physical elements which don't evolve as much (once the charging standards land somewhere).

    Tesla's major advantage remains its charging network.

    Those that basically only charge at home (a.k.a use it as a "local/commuter" car), though, won't be as impacted and buying a non-Tesla EV could still make sense IMHO if it fits your needs.
    I agree that Tesla's charging network is it's most valuable asset, but disagree on the overall premise of the article, mostly because I think the pace of change in the EV world is much slower than people expect. Look no further than the cybertruck, launched in 2019 and promised to deliver in 2021, but yet still to be available. Standardizing the entire charging infrastructure in the US is going to take a very long time, and I don't think changing charging tech would drive a car purchased today into obsolesce any time soon.

  15. #955
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...taliban-china/


    Heck of an article about the coming lithium wars.

  16. #956
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    Quote Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
    Tesla is recalling approximately 16,000 Models S and X. Apparently it failed to properly reconnect front seat belts after an earlier repair.

    That’s so Elon.

    Meanwhile, remember the big to-do earlier in the year about Tesla retrofitting Superchargers with CCS adapters? Well, six months later the original eleven stations so equipped (eight in upstate New York, one on Long Island, and two in Northern California) are still the only stations so equipped.
    A bunch of car companies are adopting the Tesla (now "NACS") charging connector as the standard in North America. And SAE developing a true, independent standard for it. Announced companies include Ford, GM, Mercedes, Nissan, Rivian, Polestar, and Volvo. It seems the inevitable endpoint right now.

    Those of us with a CSS or other charging sockets will simply get an adapter - sort of like international travel and AC adapters. Tesla or not, having a single standard will be nice.

    Fortunately, the connections are self diagnosing and electrons are electrons - no chance of accidentally putting diesel or gas in the wrong tank or using the wrong octane.

    -jk

  17. #957
    Quote Originally Posted by mkirsh View Post
    I agree that Tesla's charging network is it's most valuable asset, but disagree on the overall premise of the article, mostly because I think the pace of change in the EV world is much slower than people expect. Look no further than the cybertruck, launched in 2019 and promised to deliver in 2021, but yet still to be available. Standardizing the entire charging infrastructure in the US is going to take a very long time, and I don't think changing charging tech would drive a car purchased today into obsolesce any time soon.
    Fair enough. For the record, here's the article I was talking about as I missed providing a link before:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...acs-ccs-2023-7

  18. #958
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    doesn't matter what EV you try to charge at the tesla charging station. There's going to be a pick-em-up truck with a trailer blocking most of them...


    grrrrrrrrr.
    "One POSSIBLE future. From your point of view... I don't know tech stuff.".... Kyle Reese

  19. #959
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonpie23 View Post
    doesn't matter what EV you try to charge at the tesla charging station. There's going to be a pick-em-up truck with a trailer blocking most of them...


    grrrrrrrrr.
    Probably a ford lighting.
    Guy down the road has one .that thing is low to the ground .he says towing just kills the range .
    He is not happy with it.
    Had to tow a car on a dolly for him.
    He Was a on a time crunch couldn't wait to charge it.
    I swear he cursed that thing the entire 4 hour trip.
    It was almost worth it to hear the new and exciting ways to curse a automobile.

  20. #960
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    I've read about ICE pickups deliberately blocking tesla chargers here and there. Really obnoxious.

    -jk

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