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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    This articulates my stance perfectly. It's ruining my enjoyment of the sport. However, my enjoyment of the sport and our team is not the most important factor. I recognize the athlete's ability to follow their own path is far more significant than my own ability to recall full rosters.
    I just flat don't agree with this. "Regular" students have the ability to transfer, but they don't, at least not at anywhere close to the rate that athletes do. Why? Because there actually is a penalty in most cases for transferring, in that most colleges have a residency requirement to get a degree, and when accepting transfer credits, limitations do apply (grades aren't usually accepted when transferring, many degree-centric courses must be done in residency, different institutions have different prerequisites and requirements, etc.). Getting a degree is a four-year enterprise at minimum in most cases, and taking extra time to get the degree costs significant money.

    Elite college basketball players, for the most part, aren't in it for the degree and aren't paying to attend, so it is no longer a four-year enterprise. Instead, it is variable-length and the usual student transfer limitations do not apply. Instead, the college game is treated like a professional league in most ways, except actually paying the players. There is NO professional sports league that I'm aware of which permits unlimited free agency, and all players operate on binding contracts. Pro leagues understand that continuity is important, both on the field and for the fans. Most of the time, the development leagues are among the most restrictive in terms of player movement, and free agency is earned over time. College ball, if its primary function is to be an NBA development league, should be no different. There needs to be a limitation on player movement for the good of the game.

    Basketball seems to be the only college sport that doesn't acknowledge this. It's actively bad for player development. Heck, much of the value that K once brought to the table was how good he was at developing athletes and making them better. Now, when a player doesn't like what they're hearing, they can just ignore it. They can be somewhere else next year, anyway.

    IMO, this is much more basic to the sport than, "I can't remember last year's roster."

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Phredd3 View Post
    I just flat don't agree with this. "Regular" students have the ability to transfer, but they don't, at least not at anywhere close to the rate that athletes do. Why? Because there actually is a penalty in most cases for transferring, in that most colleges have a residency requirement to get a degree, and when accepting transfer credits, limitations do apply (grades aren't usually accepted when transferring, many degree-centric courses must be done in residency, different institutions have different prerequisites and requirements, etc.). Getting a degree is a four-year enterprise at minimum in most cases, and taking extra time to get the degree costs significant money.

    Elite college basketball players, for the most part, aren't in it for the degree and aren't paying to attend, so it is no longer a four-year enterprise. Instead, it is variable-length and the usual student transfer limitations do not apply. Instead, the college game is treated like a professional league in most ways, except actually paying the players. There is NO professional sports league that I'm aware of which permits unlimited free agency, and all players operate on binding contracts. Pro leagues understand that continuity is important, both on the field and for the fans. Most of the time, the development leagues are among the most restrictive in terms of player movement, and free agency is earned over time. College ball, if its primary function is to be an NBA development league, should be no different. There needs to be a limitation on player movement for the good of the game.

    Basketball seems to be the only college sport that doesn't acknowledge this. It's actively bad for player development. Heck, much of the value that K once brought to the table was how good he was at developing athletes and making them better. Now, when a player doesn't like what they're hearing, they can just ignore it. They can be somewhere else next year, anyway.

    IMO, this is much more basic to the sport than, "I can't remember last year's roster."
    I don't understand which part you disagree with - that it is impacting my enjoyment of the game, or that their own personal agency is more important than my personal enjoyment of watching young men in shorts chase a ball around on television?

  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    I don't understand which part you disagree with - that it is impacting my enjoyment of the game, or that their own personal agency is more important than my personal enjoyment of watching young men in shorts chase a ball around on television?
    I take you at your word that it impacts your enjoyment of the game. I stated my position on personal agency.

  4. #44

    My Take

    I have a friend who many years ago played baseball at a small Div 1 school. He told me that the only reason he went to college was to play ball. If he could not play ball he would have left school. He graduated and had a very successful business career at a large company, a career that probably would not have gotten started without the degree.

    I think many, probably most, Div I athletes have their sport at the top of their priority. Colleges support this by admitting players based more on their athletics than their academics.

    SoCal

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Phredd3 View Post
    There is NO professional sports league that I'm aware of which permits unlimited free agency, and all players operate on binding contracts. Pro leagues understand that continuity is important, both on the field and for the fans.
    Pro sports teams secure that continuity by entering into contracts with players whereby the players are paid a market rate for their services, and both parties are bound by the contract for its duration. And even then superstar players are often able to leverage trades if they want out of town.

    Players would be a LOT more willing to switch to something like that system than the schools or the NCAA would be.

  6. #46
    Good to find a balance.

    I get that this year/last year was an anomaly because of the pandemic, so everyone took advantage of the "unlimited" transfers.

    But I think its fair to everyone moving forwards, that you get one transfer without sitting out.

    How many times do college coaches leave their jobs/get fired and the players they recruited are left in the lurch?

    This will hopefully balance things out.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehk View Post
    Good to find a balance.

    I get that this year/last year was an anomaly because of the pandemic, so everyone took advantage of the "unlimited" transfers.

    But I think its fair to everyone moving forwards, that you get one transfer without sitting out.

    How many times do college coaches leave their jobs/get fired and the players they recruited are left in the lurch?

    This will hopefully balance things out.
    Iím all for players getting to leave without penalty if their coach leaves but this free for all I do not like.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Dukeblue91 View Post
    I would be interested to see who and or how will be the first coach or booster going shopping and trying to recruit players away from their college.
    How is the ncaa going to try to control the poaching of players.
    Maybe this is their way of admitting they can't control it. Kinda joking kinda not

  9. #49
    I don't think you can call college sports a development league and then analogize to NBA contracts. Idk if i agree that it is a development league, but it is not analogous to players who receive lots of money to stay with a team compared to students who are paid close to nothing in comparison. I think an important point is that these students have unequal bargaining because not only were they not paid, but they couldn't leave.

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