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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    So, a couple days ago Mark Williams tweeted "Don't blame me." Minutes ago he replied to that tweet with a broken heart emoji: https://twitter.com/MarkWi1liams/sta...88859749580802

    Clearly, "don't blame me" was a reference to Henry deciding to leave Duke. But why would anyone blame him for that...

    I don't even want to think about all this any more. I hate what college hoops has become this off-season.

    -Jason "I changed the thread title" Evans
    This...all of this...makes me want to just go listen to sad, depressing music and drink. Heavily.

    But this IS the new reality of college basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    So, a couple days ago Mark Williams tweeted "Don't blame me." Minutes ago he replied to that tweet with a broken heart emoji: https://twitter.com/MarkWi1liams/sta...88859749580802

    Clearly, "don't blame me" was a reference to Henry deciding to leave Duke. But why would anyone blame him for that...

    I don't even want to think about all this any more. I hate what college hoops has become this off-season.

    -Jason "I changed the thread title" Evans
    That's reading a bit into it haha. It could very well be that he accidentally spilled a carton of milk at the grocery, and someone had to clean it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brevity View Post
    Still confirmed?

    Attachment 13012

    Maybe we wait for an official statement, even if one never comes.
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    So I just scrolled through Mark's twitter... and I think any of us reading too much into anything he tweets is going to lose some brain cells. A solid majority of his tweets are single words or emoji's with no context.

    Does that mean he's playing coy and trying to tease some news? Maybe. Does it mean he's a kid having fun on social media? Maybe. Did he send a handful of "butt-dial" tweets? Maybe.

    If we look into that too hard we're going to lose our collective minds. That said, mine is lost already given the impending COVID doom we're facing in Toronto right now. So maybe I'll go back and look for some Da Vinci Code style clues...
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  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    This...all of this...makes me want to just go listen to sad, depressing music and drink. Heavily.
    Well, drinking water heavily is generally pretty good for you. Not sure it will help with your sadness though. Good luck 🍀.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshrader View Post
    This...all of this...makes me want to just go listen to sad, depressing music and drink. Heavily.

    But this IS the new reality of college basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    So I just scrolled through Mark's twitter... and I think any of us reading too much into anything he tweets is going to lose some brain cells. A solid majority of his tweets are single words or emoji's with no context.

    Does that mean he's playing coy and trying to tease some news? Maybe. Does it mean he's a kid having fun on social media? Maybe. Did he send a handful of "butt-dial" tweets? Maybe.

    If we look into that too hard we're going to lose our collective minds. That said, mine is lost already given the impending COVID doom we're facing in Toronto right now. So maybe I'll go back and look for some Da Vinci Code style clues...
    Yep. Remember last year when folks were saying that all those cryptic/coy Cassius Stanley tweets/posts were evidence he was coming back? Because surely he would know better than to toy with his fans' emotions, right?

    Really, these are kids/young adults playing on social media, and their every word doesn't and quite likely isn't about Duke basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    So I just scrolled through Mark's twitter... and I think any of us reading too much into anything he tweets is going to lose some brain cells. A solid majority of his tweets are single words or emoji's with no context.

    Does that mean he's playing coy and trying to tease some news? Maybe. Does it mean he's a kid having fun on social media? Maybe. Did he send a handful of "butt-dial" tweets? Maybe.

    If we look into that too hard we're going to lose our collective minds. That said, mine is lost already given the impending COVID doom we're facing in Toronto right now. So maybe I'll go back and look for some Da Vinci Code style clues...
    Maybe some day he will do NFTs of his tweets and sell them for a lot of money. I'm still not sure exactly what any of that means but I hear it is a thing.

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    Wiseman tweets he thinks Williams will stay:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/stevewise...79776388780032

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    interpreting Mark's tweets is every bit as scientific as phrenology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    interpreting Mark's tweets is every bit as scientific as phrenology.
    I wonder if Kyrie is coaching Mark on his tweets?

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    Mark hasnt posted a tik tok in nearly a month either...

    In all seriousness though, without knowing Mark's value on education, I'd leave if I were him . I pray he stays though he was so fun to watch. I think one more year of development in college basketball doesn't compare much today to a year of development in the NBA and making millions. Seems better financially and as a player. All speculation tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow View Post
    That's rather cynical. Their father is a successful gastroenterologist, so I doubt the family's emphasis on education is just lip service, as is the case for some families. That was my point moreso than saying her decision would influence his.

    I hope he stays, but understand if he doesn't.
    Some of the biggest stoners/slackers I ever knew had physicians as parents, so I doubt Mark's father's career choice has any bearing on Mark's decision to declare for the draft.

    Even so, let's just say for sake of argument, that the Williams family values education.

    Do you know what else their family clearly places just as much, if not more, importance on? Basketball!!!

    I am in a one child household with a 12 year old who plays competitive soccer. What a time suck! I can't imagine the amount of time the Williams family must have sacrificed raising two children who became good enough to move on to high-level college basketball. Basketball must have ruled their house.

    Quote Originally Posted by indy1duke View Post
    Maybe you know Mark and his family or perhaps you have an inside source, but if you donít I am curious how you can make such a bold statement. Donít tell me itís all about the money. There is a great value to going to college far beyond the degree. It is a safe place to grow up and learn how to become an adult. It has always seemed to me the challenge for a professional ball player is to attain the emotional stability and the wisdom to handle early wealth. That means learning who to trust, figuring out how to hire and relate to your agent, attorney and financial planner. The number of former NBA players who file for bankruptcy is staggering. Sports Illustrated ran a lengthy article stating that within five years of retirement, an estimated 60% of former NBA players are broke. This idea of generational wealth and vast riches is exaggerated for most NBA players, and NFL players fare even worse. Tailoring courses to guide future professional athletes on handling their future wealth and all its complications should be a priority at Duke and similarly situated universities.
    I do not know Mark nor his family and I don't disagree with anything you've said here, except for one thing... it's all about the money, or at least the dream of NBA money.

    It seems like every year there is a Blue Devil whom everyone thinks has another year of college in him, then he bolts for late first round/early second round/undrafted. Mike Dunleavy and Austin Rivers already had generational wealth in their families and they left when their place in the lottery was secured. Those exits were 20 and 10 years ago, respectively. As has been noted heavily in the Henry Coleman thread, the landscape is much changed, even in the past 4-5 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    One other thought while nothing is going on: if nothing else, should Mark declare for the NBA (please, please no), I think we could finally banish the phrase "his family values education." Probably should ax it anyway.
    My original point. The family's value on education has no bearing in the decision making process. I was flamed for saying this by a poster who has been predictably silent over in the Henry Coleman thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edouble View Post
    Some of the biggest stoners/slackers I ever knew had physicians as parents, so I doubt Mark's father's career choice has any bearing on Mark's decision to declare for the draft.

    Even so, let's just say for sake of argument, that the Williams family values education.

    Do you know what else their family clearly places just as much, if not more, importance on? Basketball!!!

    I am in a one child household with a 12 year old who plays competitive soccer. What a time suck! I can't imagine the amount of time the Williams family must have sacrificed raising two children who became good enough to move on to high-level college basketball. Basketball must have ruled their house.



    I do not know Mark nor his family and I don't disagree with anything you've said here, except for one thing... it's all about the money, or at least the dream of NBA money.

    It seems like every year there is a Blue Devil whom everyone thinks has another year of college in him, then he bolts for late first round/early second round/undrafted. Mike Dunleavy and Austin Rivers already had generational wealth in their families and they left when their place in the lottery was secured. Those exits were 20 and 10 years ago, respectively. As has been noted heavily in the Henry Coleman thread, the landscape is much changed, even in the past 4-5 years.



    My original point. The family's value on education has no bearing in the decision making process. I was flamed for saying this by a poster who has been predictably silent over in the Henry Coleman thread.
    My point on the Coleman thread was to refrain from projecting ANY particular values, character flaws, or peccadillos to these young men without the full story. It's very easy to point at those who return and say "good human" or those who leave and say "selfish." These are very young men making massive decisions about their lives. So while I feel it is fair to say "Imt disappointed Coleman os transferring," in my opinion it is presumptuous to say "he's making a mistake because he would eventually XXX at Duke much moreso than and University Y." Now, if Coleman comes out and says "hey, I'm taking my talents to South Beach to play for Miami because I want more playing time," well, then we fairly debate the decision.

    I hope Mark Williams sticks around. He seems by all accounts to be a hard worker. You don't earn praise from K without showing out in practice and kicking butt.

    If he decides that going pro is the best thing for him, I won't see it as contrary to any generational interest in education, but rather as a pretty good career move. Now, if Mark Williams says "man, Duke was a waste of my time, can't wait to get to the NBA $$$!!!" perhaps we can ask some questions.

    I guess my point is to be wary about how we attribute either positive or negative character traits to these young men who are trying to make difficult choices.

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    And...heís back! Per his twitter

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    Break out the bubbly baby our boy is back

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    Change the thread title back!
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    Good news is fun. Letís have more of it please.

    Sophomore Mark Williams is going to make next year a lot of fun, regardless of all the other developments this offseason.

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    Here's a link and screenshot.

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    And...heís back! Per his twitter
    https://twitter.com/MarkWi1liams/sta...422998018?s=20

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